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Single Hero Three Turn Combo
« on: April 22, 2011, 09:05:33 PM »
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I’m working on a new single hero offense and wanted to get everyone’s opinions. I am still pretty new to some of the recent strategies, so let me know if this doesn’t work or if I am missing something that could make it even better.

Heroes
Asher

Good Enhancements
Jubilee x2
Obedience of Noah x2
Paying Tribute

Doms
Son of God
New Jerusalem

Sites
Wall of Protection

Artifacts/Covenants
Miraculous Handkerchiefs
Covenant with Moses x2

14 Lost Souls
73 card defense (possibly other artifacts or sites for defense)

100 cards total

General strategy is this:

1.   Use power defense to hold off until opponent gets 5 lost souls out and you have all of your good enhancements. As there are 5 good enhancements and 2 doms you need in your hand to pull off the combo I may need to add Storehouse.

2.    FIRST RESCUE: Switch artifact to Covenant with Moses and attack with Asher. There are some evil characters with lower stats than Asher, but hopefully you would be able to gain initiative quickly. Play Obedience of Noah, grab one of your human evil characters larger than 8/6 and then play Paying Tribute.

3.   SECOND RESCUE:  Attack with Asher, search discard pile for first Obedience of Noah card and place in draw pile, play second Obedience of Noah, grab evil character, play first Jubilee card to grab Paying Tribute, and play Paying Tribute.

4.   THIRD, FOURTH, FIFTH RESCUE: You have to wait until you draw Obedience of Noah again but as soon as you do, repeat the process from the second rescue playing Obedience of Noah, second Jubilee card and Paying Tribute. Finish up with Son of God and New Jerusalem.

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Re: Single Hero Three Turn Combo
« Reply #1 on: April 22, 2011, 09:22:41 PM »
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One thing to add.

I may want to throw in Angel of the Lord and Holy of Holies to get rid of low stat evil characters or King of Tyrus and the like. In fact, I may want to add Solomon's Temple to hold Holy of Holies or Tables of the Law so that I can keep Covenant with Moses active while attacking.
« Last Edit: April 22, 2011, 09:36:02 PM by Zircom »

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Re: Single Hero Three Turn Combo
« Reply #2 on: April 22, 2011, 11:40:09 PM »
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I think it depends on the context on whether this is a good idea, like what cards you have available, do you want to win tournaments, do you prefer playing differently, etc. 

The pros: it has some potential, not too difficult to get most of those cards, is not what people will expect, and allows for large defense!

However if you are wanting to win tournaments then this is not what you want.  I don't think this would have much of a chance against most tournament competitive decks.  I know that most reasonable sized defences that I would use would have many ways to stop your offence.  For example: ways to negate your abilities, stop your searching, add characters to battle, or remove your hero.
Christian Martyr, Grapes of Wrath, Golden Calf, Confusion of Mind, Hezekiah's Signet Ring, Gates of Hell, Lurking, Unknown Nation, evil TC like beheaded, Thirty Pieces of Silver, etc.  Some defenses will also stop your SoG and NJ.

In addition it is likely that the opponent will simply block lower and play a CBN battle winner to remove your hero.  Also it is difficult to make 100+ decks be competitive in tournaments.  It would help to know what you have to work with, but if you want to do something similar then I might start with doing a choose the blocker offence that is a little larger.  There is a blue set-aside that targets 2 of your women heros to ctb.  There is also the green Provisions and King Amaziah.  Lastly, it is often better to play Obedience of Noah on Jacob or Benjamin.  If you really want to do a single hero offence then you will need to protect that hero better and make sure they can't stop him.

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Re: Single Hero Three Turn Combo
« Reply #3 on: April 23, 2011, 12:12:22 AM »
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I thought about using Benjamin which would almost guarantee me initiative and would prevent Obedience of Noah from being prevented. However it would be a little bit harder to do the combo I mentioned if I restricted myself to T1. Maybe doing a two Hero deck with Asher and Benjamin and then adding Chariots of Fire in case one got discarded. Another thing I could do is add Angel at Tomb
 and The Fifth Seal to both protect my Son of God and bring back a discarded hero.

I know the artifacts and fortresses could be a problem which is why I was planning on loading the massive defensive with cards to counter and discard these. Plus throwing in Destruction of Nehushtan. Covenant with Moses should also take care of a few potential problems which is why I threw two copies in the deck. There is not much I can do about the Dominants.

I realize that this is probably way too many cards to compete in tournaments, but I thought it would be an interesting concept to try. If your opponent didn't have all the right counters or didn't know what you were planning it would be pretty brutal to destroy them in three or so turns.

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Re: Single Hero Three Turn Combo
« Reply #4 on: April 23, 2011, 12:36:32 AM »
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You actually don't even need Paying Tribute. With the amount of cards you have on defense, you can simply use several small ECs from different brigades and then simply choose one from a brigade your opponent isn't using. You should however, add Sound the Trumpet so you can discard their Kingdoms of the World, which stops Choose the Blocker from being its most effective.
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Re: Single Hero Three Turn Combo
« Reply #5 on: April 23, 2011, 12:40:30 AM »
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I think I might add Sound the Trumpet and Spiritual Sacrifices to the offense and then do what you said with the evil characters. I am also playing around with the idea of using Benjamin instead, but I really like Asher's search ability.


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Re: Single Hero Three Turn Combo
« Reply #6 on: April 23, 2011, 12:47:47 AM »
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So here is what I am thinking for the new modified offense. This would leave 60 slots for defense and lost soul sites. Not sure if I need the silver, but figured it would be good to have another way to recover my blue heroes. Also added Guardian of Your Souls just in case I pull the combo off and they throw down Falling Away.

Asher
Benjamin
Jubilee x2
Obedience of Noah x2
Sound the Trumpet
Spiritual Sacrifices

Angel at Jerusalem (or Angel at Tomb but the low stats on Angel at Jerusalem may be better)
The Fifth Seal

Son of God
New Jerusalem
Angel of the Lord
Burial
Christian Martyr
Destruction of Nehushtan
Falling Away
Guardian of Your Souls

Wall of Protection
Storehouse
Solomon's Temple

Miraculous Handkerchiefs
Covenant with Moses x2
Holy of Holies
Chariot of Fire

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Re: Single Hero Three Turn Combo
« Reply #7 on: April 23, 2011, 12:54:10 AM »
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You actually don't even need Paying Tribute. With the amount of cards you have on defense, you can simply use several small ECs from different brigades and then simply choose one from a brigade your opponent isn't using. You should however, add Sound the Trumpet so you can discard their Kingdoms of the World, which stops Choose the Blocker from being its most effective.

I came up with a new offensive scheme, but I just got to thinking. What if my opponent throws down Murmuring, Love of Money, or Demonic Blockade? That would pretty much ruin the combo and may wipe out my entire offense.

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Re: Single Hero Three Turn Combo
« Reply #8 on: April 23, 2011, 01:29:13 AM »
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I don't think you need a 100 card deck to do this. Realistically how are you going to win within time every game? By the time you hold them off, then attack at the end you might get 1-2 rescues, but you have to consistently do this. I would shorten it up to a 63-70 card deck, preferably site lock out with a very strong defense. Maybe do some hand discard cards/EC's and hit them with hand discard at the end of the game, activate Hezzy's Ring then attack with a few battle winners. Just another take on it, but I don't see this winning in time limit.

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Re: Single Hero Three Turn Combo
« Reply #9 on: April 23, 2011, 04:38:42 AM »
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I use a deck with a massive endgame engine like this one, but it's much more cohesive and 56 cards. Abe's Kid and Scribe were made for each other.
I am not talking about T2 unless I am explicitly talking about T2. Also Mayhem is fine now somehow!

 


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