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Re: Type 1: First Deck
« Reply #25 on: April 04, 2014, 12:03:01 AM »
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Okay, final version of the deck. Please share any last thoughts:

Good Dominants: 3
Son of God
New Jerusalem
Angel of the Lord

Heroes: 9
Michael (Warriors)
Gabriel (I Deck)
Attending Angel (Thesaurus Ex Preteritus)
Angel in the Path (Priests)
The Destroyer
Angel of Warning (Thesaurus Ex Preteritus)
Angel at Shur (Promo)
Angel of His Presence
The Angel Under the Oak

Good Enhancements: 13
Wheel Within a Wheel (Faith of Our Fathers 2)
Protection of Angels (Priests)
Angelic Guidance (I Deck)
Birth Foretold
Commissioned
Live Coal (Faith of Our Fathers 2)
Fire, Smoke, and Sulfur
Spiritual Beings
Winds
Gabriel Meets Zecharias
Angel's Sword
Striking Herod
Sing and Praise (J Deck)

Covenants: 1
Covenant of Eden

Good Fortresses: 1
Chamber of Angels

Evil Dominants: 4
Christian Martyr
Burial
Falling Away
Vain Philosophy

Evil Characters: 7
Goliath (Promo)
Philistine Garrison
Philistine Armor Bearer
Fallen Warrior (Kings)
Saph (I Deck)
The Twelve-Fingered Giant
Delilah (I Deck)

Evil Enhancements: 9
Philistine Chariot and Horses
Lahmi's Spear (I Deck)
Ishbibenob's Sword
Joseph in Prison
Wickedness of Delilah (I Deck)
Overwhelmed by Philistines
Ishbibenob's Spear (I Deck)
Wrath of Satan
Ashtaroth Worship (I Deck)

Curses: 0

Evil Fortresses: 1
Philistine Outpost

Artifacts: 1
Household Idols

Sites: 0

Lost Souls: 7
Female Only
NT Only
Resurrection
Fool
Shut Door
Beggar
Anti-Burial

Total: 56 cards
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Re: Type 1: First Deck
« Reply #26 on: April 04, 2014, 05:48:40 PM »
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I know that Michal is really hard to get, but do you have the kings one? He is hard to get I know, but he is OT, instead of NT, can have wheel placed on him, and is warrior class, that is my one and only change, but other than changing the deck dramatically, it is very good and purposed!
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Re: Type 1: First Deck
« Reply #27 on: April 04, 2014, 07:20:06 PM »
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I almost think that it would be better to use the Angel Wars one just because the N.T. Lost Soul is a staple in every deck and as opposed to the Warriors one he can wield Angel's Sword. And for what it's worth, Wheel Within a Wheel can be placed on an N.T. Michael but you just can't search for an N.T. Michael.

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Re: Type 1: First Deck
« Reply #28 on: April 04, 2014, 08:28:08 PM »
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And for what it's worth, Wheel Within a Wheel can be placed on an N.T. Michael but you just can't search for an N.T. Michael.

That. And: the wording of Warriors Michael makes it so that not only are his Enhancements CBN, but also he himself is CBN. That is an fantastic advantage to have.
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Re: Type 1: First Deck
« Reply #29 on: April 04, 2014, 10:06:10 PM »
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And for what it's worth, Wheel Within a Wheel can be placed on an N.T. Michael but you just can't search for an N.T. Michael.

That. And: the wording of Warriors Michael makes it so that not only are his Enhancements CBN, but also he himself is CBN. That is an fantastic advantage to have.
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Re: Type 1: First Deck
« Reply #30 on: April 04, 2014, 11:03:25 PM »
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And for what it's worth, Wheel Within a Wheel can be placed on an N.T. Michael but you just can't search for an N.T. Michael.

That. And: the wording of Warriors Michael makes it so that not only are his Enhancements CBN, but also he himself is CBN. That is an fantastic advantage to have.
Any Michael is CBN. If an ability grants CBN it is CBN.

...SERIOUSLY?!?
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Re: Type 1: First Deck
« Reply #31 on: April 04, 2014, 11:59:10 PM »
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...Wow. There it is in the Wikia.

Alright, then! That will be Kings Michael from now on! THANK YOU RED.

(Kings over Angel Wars because Wheeling for Michael is just too beautiful and I have three other NT Angels: Attending Angel, Angel of Warning, and Gabriel)

Although that does bring the value of Gabriel meets Zecharias down quite a bit now...
« Last Edit: April 05, 2014, 12:32:43 AM by Luxumbra »
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Re: Type 1: First Deck
« Reply #32 on: April 05, 2014, 01:24:09 PM »
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Another thing, I would put The Strong Angel in because than you could have the Kings Michal have angel's sword and than play Gabriel meets Zacharias, and than bad in TSA, Michal enhancements CBN, and TSA is in battle so that the opponents are negated. Just a suggestion of something to add, I would take out one of your enhancements, either Winds or Comissioned is what I would suggest, but then again that is me so do what you would like!
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Re: Type 1: First Deck
« Reply #33 on: April 05, 2014, 01:52:25 PM »
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Another thing, I would put The Strong Angel in because than you could have the Kings Michal have angel's sword and than play Gabriel meets Zacharias, and than bad in TSA, Michal enhancements CBN, and TSA is in battle so that the opponents are negated. Just a suggestion of something to add, I would take out one of your enhancements, either Winds or Comissioned is what I would suggest, but then again that is me so do what you would like!

Actually, for a while I had Captain of the Host and Gathering of Angels in this deck for that very combo. Using The Strong Angel would allow me to Gabriel meets Zecharias him in, and it is really awesome, but I ultimately decided against it. The reason behind it was Gathering took too long to kick in- 4 turns. Gabriel meets Zecharias is much quicker, but it's unfortunately a one-shot deal. You add The Strong Angel to battle, but only from your deck. If it was deck and territory, then I would keep it in. But as it is only the once, I think I'm going to replace Gabriel meets Zecharias with Overwhelming Presence.

However, along the lines of The Strong Angel, I actually think I will be replacing Angel of His Presence with Captain of the Host seeing as I'm using The Angel Under the Oak now

Thoughts on these last switches? Is Glad Tidings ultimately a better fit than Overwhelming Presence? Is Eaten by Worms?
« Last Edit: April 05, 2014, 02:03:51 PM by Luxumbra »
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Re: Type 1: First Deck
« Reply #34 on: April 05, 2014, 02:07:07 PM »
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Eaten by worms is much better than Overwhelming Presence, in my opinion, and, you should put Swift Beings into the deck, it is one of the best silver enhancements ever.
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Re: Type 1: First Deck
« Reply #35 on: April 05, 2014, 02:26:24 PM »
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The only reason why I'd tend toward Overwhelming Presence over Eaten by Worms is the variety it provides (removal without necessarily being discarding, which Fire, Smoke, and Sulfur and Striking Herod already cover pretty well) as well as its ability to remove every character in a banding party at once.
In retrospect, however, Swift Beings is probably more useful than Sing and Praise. So let's consider that switched.
« Last Edit: April 05, 2014, 02:31:39 PM by Luxumbra »
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Re: Type 1: First Deck
« Reply #36 on: April 05, 2014, 09:43:17 PM »
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Definitely Overwhelming Presence for the reasons you suggested.

If you have The Strong Angel in hand or territory then you should just attack with him anyway. I would highly suggest putting The Strong Angel in for Commissioned.

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Re: Type 1: First Deck
« Reply #37 on: April 05, 2014, 11:37:48 PM »
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Definitely Overwhelming Presence for the reasons you suggested.

If you have The Strong Angel in hand or territory then you should just attack with him anyway. I would highly suggest putting The Strong Angel in for Commissioned.

Agree. Commissioned would be nice, but unless I'm missing something, you can only play it during battle, so if they have no LS and don't block, it doesn't help.

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Re: Type 1: First Deck
« Reply #38 on: April 05, 2014, 11:51:56 PM »
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All things considered, I think I'm going to run the deck with Commissioned anyway. If it doesn't pull its weight on Saturday, then I'll take it out. But I have faith in it yet.

And I still don't know why The Strong Angel is such a good idea.
« Last Edit: April 05, 2014, 11:54:18 PM by Luxumbra »
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Re: Type 1: First Deck
« Reply #39 on: April 06, 2014, 01:33:13 PM »
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And I still don't know why The Strong Angel is such a good idea.

Well, he's pretty capable of winning battles all by himself, so he's got that going for him.  Plus, he's a juicy Dom target, so even if you don't think he's all that, your opponent might, and proceed to play Doms (and other cards as well) less efficiently to deal with TSA.

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Re: Type 1: First Deck
« Reply #40 on: April 06, 2014, 02:26:45 PM »
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Perhaps I just underestimate the power of a Character that negates everything.
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Re: Type 1: First Deck
« Reply #41 on: April 06, 2014, 02:29:19 PM »
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Perhaps I just underestimate the power of a Character that negates everything.

This seems correct to me.  I think at nats last year 4 to 6 of the top cut decks (top 8 decks incase you don't know what top cut is) had strong angel, captain of the hosts or both
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Re: Type 1: First Deck
« Reply #42 on: April 06, 2014, 04:03:05 PM »
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Well, I do have the Captain, and even if I did want The Strong Angel it's probably too late now to order it and expect it to arrive by early Saturday morning.
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Re: Type 1: First Deck
« Reply #43 on: April 06, 2014, 04:39:23 PM »
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Well, I do have the Captain, and even if I did want The Strong Angel it's probably too late now to order it and expect it to arrive by early Saturday morning.

If you want one I'll sell one to you for half the cost of TLG plus 1.50 for shipping and mail it tomorrow. It should arrive to you by Thursday then.. I would suggest having it of you really wanna run angels I think you will find him to be your best hero for winning rescues.
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Re: Type 1: First Deck
« Reply #44 on: April 06, 2014, 05:08:46 PM »
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I really appreciate that, jbeers, but I think I'll try and manage without him. I'm still not a big fan of shutting down my own Enhancements.
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Re: Type 1: First Deck
« Reply #45 on: April 06, 2014, 05:34:49 PM »
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I really appreciate that, jbeers, but I think I'll try and manage without him. I'm still not a big fan of shutting down my own Enhancements.
Honestly, if you want to play enhancements you need to be running a judges based offense. Silver's enhancements pale in comparison to what judges has to offer in power and speed. If you want to run angels you need to abuse the fact half of your dudes are two of most evil characters and are hard to target.(And negate like, all evil cards played in tournaments)
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Re: Type 1: First Deck
« Reply #46 on: April 06, 2014, 05:43:02 PM »
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I really appreciate that, jbeers, but I think I'll try and manage without him. I'm still not a big fan of shutting down my own Enhancements.

TSA + Striking Herod is 17/8.  There's not a lot of defenses running around getting past mutual destruction there, so you'll get at least the discard of Striking Herod (without the restriction of human male only, too - this is pretty close to a strictly better play than using the SA of Striking Herod).  And Chamber would save TSA.  And you get the soul.

That's just one scenario, of course, and it doesn't necessarily play out that way all the time.  But it's a strong play, and if your opponent can stop it, they probably could have stopped anything you tried there.  Hopefully, they used more cards in the exchange, so you can generate some card advantage even if you lose that battle :)

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Re: Type 1: First Deck
« Reply #47 on: April 06, 2014, 05:45:20 PM »
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See, you have to consider that even if your enhancements' abilities don't work, neither do most of your opponents' so as long as you can get your strength higher than their toughness, which shouldn't be too difficult with enhancements like Striking Herod, you'll be doing essentially the same thing as your enhancements would do even if they did work: defeating the Evil Character. The nice part about TSA and Captain is that they're so big that without a CBN or CBP EE, they're almost impossible to beat without a big EC which aren't too common anymore because most of the time the defense wants initiative. The downside of just using Captain though is that if they have a few banding ECs there's not a whole lot you can do. That's why I suggest adding The Strong Angel, they don't call him The 'Strong' Angel for nothin'.

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Re: Type 1: First Deck
« Reply #48 on: April 06, 2014, 06:48:40 PM »
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The evidence of the value of The Strong Angel and Captain of the Host is becoming too bountiful to ignore.
I am about to accept your offer, jbeers, but I still have one problem left: what will it replace?
Removing The Captain of the Host defeats the purpose of adding The Strong Angel almost entirely.
Removing Michael would remove the strongest character from the deck.
Removing Gabriel compromises the impregnability of this deck's offense.
Removing Attending Angel would remove what is perhaps the most potent search card in the deck.
Removing Angel of Warning eliminates a key option for finding the Chamber of Angels.
Removing Angel at Shur seems unwise after switching to the Daniel Michael.
Removing Angel in the Path (which I plan to replace with the card originally in this spot- Angel at Jerusalem, for initiative purposes) takes away the only other Site Access option in this deck if something happens to Wheel Within a Wheel.
Removing The Destroyer would remove an incredibly powerful means of erasing my opponent's defenses before they can even block.
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Re: Type 1: First Deck
« Reply #49 on: April 06, 2014, 06:51:37 PM »
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I would remove the philly weapon that negates a good card.
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