Cactus Game Design Message Boards

Other Gaming => Video & Computer Games => Topic started by: Master KChief on September 01, 2010, 04:55:13 PM

Title: xbox live subscription price raised starting november 1st
Post by: Master KChief on September 01, 2010, 04:55:13 PM
(https://www.cactusforums.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi428.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fqq8%2FMasterKChief%2Fpennyarcade.jpg&hash=baaaeb0cf12b4baba61b1a089f6955465f7e497c)
Title: Re: xbox live subscription price raised starting november 1st
Post by: Smokey on September 01, 2010, 05:23:39 PM
so... It's now $5.70 a month?
Title: Re: xbox live subscription price raised starting november 1st
Post by: Master_Chi on September 01, 2010, 05:38:38 PM
LOL.  :rollin:

$10 a year more....... Not too bad, but considering all the people in the world who have Live, that's a CRAP TON of more money for Mr. Gates.
Title: Re: xbox live subscription price raised starting november 1st
Post by: Lawfuldog on September 01, 2010, 05:47:04 PM
All in all, I'm fine with it considering the amount of hours I spend on Xboxlive.

To be honest, I'd pay $100 a year. It's definitely worth it.
Title: Re: xbox live subscription price raised starting november 1st
Post by: browarod on September 01, 2010, 07:05:40 PM
It's a good thing I was planning on letting my current subscription expire anyway, lol.
Title: Re: xbox live subscription price raised starting november 1st
Post by: Master KChief on September 01, 2010, 07:32:41 PM
here is the chart:

Current

1M Gold:  $7.99

3M Gold:  $19.99

12M Gold:  $49.99

Starting Nov 1, 2010

1M Gold:  $9.99

3M Gold:  $24.99

12M Gold:  $59.99


and no, it is not worth it. maybe if we got additional useful content over the years to justify such an increase. as it stands, there isnt, micro$oft is just all about the money.
 
Title: Re: xbox live subscription price raised starting november 1st
Post by: Red on September 01, 2010, 08:18:56 PM
here is the chart:

Current

1M Gold:  $7.99

3M Gold:  $19.99

12M Gold:  $49.99

Starting Nov 1, 2010

1M Gold:  $9.99

3M Gold:  $24.99

12M Gold:  $59.99


and no, it is not worth it. maybe if we got additional useful content over the years to justify such an increase. as it stands, there isnt, micro$oft is just all about the money.
 
Um out of one  of my payments for chicken working I could pay that.(No chicken house working is NOT worth it!)
Title: Re: xbox live subscription price raised starting november 1st
Post by: JSB23 on September 01, 2010, 10:25:42 PM
@all Xbox Owners
LOL

@RED
What's with the name change?
Title: Re: xbox live subscription price raised starting november 1st
Post by: 3-Liner And Bags Of Chips on September 02, 2010, 11:15:20 AM
lol My fav was my cheevos! I'm totally gonna start saying that now xp
Title: Re: xbox live subscription price raised starting november 1st
Post by: xCaLeBx on September 02, 2010, 11:17:26 AM
See this is where (and probably the only real point) PS3 is better than Xbox...don't get me wrong I love..love xbox but really....take a note from sony. Free online...
Title: Re: xbox live subscription price raised starting november 1st
Post by: Good Samaritan on September 02, 2010, 11:28:06 AM
See this is where (and probably the only real point) PS3 is better than Xbox...don't get me wrong I love..love xbox but really....take a note from sony. Free online...



Playstation Network is too small compared to xbox live and 10.00 more is no big deal IMO.
PS3 needs Halo 3!

The only thing I like about PS3 is the built in Blu-Ray DVD player.

PS3 is pretty awesome for free online Play,but I'm a Microsoft fan for the original ''Xbox'' and the ''Xbox 360''. The one thing I really really like about the 360 is the Kinect (http://www.xbox.com/en-US/kinect) ,like the Wii but better no controller no nothing,its very accurate as well.
Title: Re: xbox live subscription price raised starting november 1st
Post by: browarod on September 02, 2010, 11:43:28 AM
The thing you guys are missing is that different systems are better for different games. Caleb and G. Samaritan (and MKC) seem to be shooter fans, so of course they like XBOX the best. I personally like puzzle, adventure, and random other games the best, and I actually find that I like the PS3 over the XBOX nowadays (I used to like XBOX most, but I've fallen somewhat out of love with it since I've discovered the realm of games available to other systems, and since I don't find shooters very fun).

So, for some this is fine, and for others it's the clincher that will make their use of the XBOX dwindle to nothing from the low status it was at before (like me). It's all relative and based on opinion.
Title: Re: xbox live subscription price raised starting november 1st
Post by: Good Samaritan on September 02, 2010, 12:18:16 PM
I still play the PS3,the only reason I have one is for what you said the different varity of games for system. Like games that are only made on that system (e.g Halo3 ,xbox 360-Killzone PS3) and plenty more.
Title: Re: xbox live subscription price raised starting november 1st
Post by: Lamborghini_diablo on September 02, 2010, 12:32:28 PM
The thing you guys are missing is that different systems are better for different games. Caleb and G. Samaritan (and MKC) seem to be shooter fans, so of course they like XBOX the best.

Correction, they should like PC best for shooters. Free multiplayer, Dedicated servers, AND more precise controls.  ;)
Title: Re: xbox live subscription price raised starting november 1st
Post by: TheKarazyvicePresidentRR on September 02, 2010, 01:00:33 PM
The thing you guys are missing is that different systems are better for different games. Caleb and G. Samaritan (and MKC) seem to be shooter fans, so of course they like XBOX the best.

Correction, they should like PC best for shooters. Free multiplayer, Dedicated servers, AND more precise controls.  ;)
+1 Lean controls are addicting.
Title: Re: xbox live subscription price raised starting november 1st
Post by: Good Samaritan on September 02, 2010, 01:12:53 PM
The thing you guys are missing is that different systems are better for different games. Caleb and G. Samaritan (and MKC) seem to be shooter fans, so of course they like XBOX the best.

Correction, they should like PC best for shooters. Free multiplayer, Dedicated servers, AND more precise controls.  ;)

Precise controls - YES
Dedicated servers - I've only been lagged/droped connection in a game 7 times in my three years of gaming,between the PC ,PS3 ,and 360.

PC good for shooters? YEAH! Its awesome when you can hook it up to Big HD TV ,Get Big picture,FUN!

Title: Re: xbox live subscription price raised starting november 1st
Post by: browarod on September 02, 2010, 02:12:51 PM
[
The thing you guys are missing is that different systems are better for different games. Caleb and G. Samaritan (and MKC) seem to be shooter fans, so of course they like XBOX the best.

Correction, they should like PC best for shooters. Free multiplayer, Dedicated servers, AND more precise controls.  ;)
Well, yes. But since the discussion was between consoles, I just left it at XBOX ;)
Title: Re: xbox live subscription price raised starting november 1st
Post by: Good Samaritan on September 02, 2010, 02:29:21 PM



Quote from: browarod
Well, yes. But since the discussion was between consoles, I just left it at XBOX ;)
 

Any way,each console is good for certain things. PC as well.


Here is what I do with each:

PS3 -shooters,RPG,and some PS3 only games.
Xbox 360 -shooters,MMO's,Role Playing,xbox 360 only games.
PC - Little bit of everything.
Title: Re: xbox live subscription price raised starting november 1st
Post by: Lamborghini_diablo on September 02, 2010, 03:56:54 PM
Dedicated servers - I've only been lagged/droped connection in a game 7 times in my three years of gaming,between the PC ,PS3 ,and 360.

Thats just one reason Dedicated Servers are better. I'll use CoD4 situations for examples.

1) Better connection
2) Custom server settings (I often play 20-30 minute FFA's in CoD4) This also includes custom map rotations.
3) Server rules (No marty or Last Stand)
4) ADMINS. If someone is hacking or breaking the server rules, you can temp/perma-ban players from servers. So therefore, theres a LOT less hackers.
5) People often play the same servers, so you get to see familiar players more often.
6) Player limits. These can often be set a LOT higher than on Xbox. Example, you can have a 50 player match in the PC version of CoD4. I still have yet to try the insanity that is a 50 player FFA on Shipment. Often times I play 15-25 player FFA's.
Title: Re: xbox live subscription price raised starting november 1st
Post by: Daniel TS RED on September 02, 2010, 04:55:03 PM
I'd say there's a lot more hackers on pc than all consoles combined.  That's one of pc's huge downsides.

Daniel

 :thumbup:
Title: Re: xbox live subscription price raised starting november 1st
Post by: Professoralstad on September 02, 2010, 05:00:49 PM
It doesn't matter. The Wii is better than XBox 360 and PS3 combined. Yeah, I said it. What now?
Title: Re: xbox live subscription price raised starting november 1st
Post by: 3-Liner And Bags Of Chips on September 02, 2010, 05:03:52 PM
What is the last thing the wii has done? The 360 has kinect. what now? xp  ;D
Title: Re: xbox live subscription price raised starting november 1st
Post by: lightningninja on September 02, 2010, 05:28:55 PM
People still play Halo on computers?
Title: Re: xbox live subscription price raised starting november 1st
Post by: Master KChief on September 02, 2010, 05:35:43 PM
It doesn't matter. The Wii is better than XBox 360 and PS3 combined. Yeah, I said it. What now?

shes a witch! BURN HER, BURN HER! ;)
Title: Re: xbox live subscription price raised starting november 1st
Post by: Master_Chi on September 02, 2010, 06:25:29 PM
It doesn't matter. The Wii is better than XBox 360 and PS3 combined. Yeah, I said it. What now?

shes a witch! BURN HER, BURN HER! ;)

What ELSE do we burn apart from witches? MORE WITCHES!!!!!!
Title: Re: xbox live subscription price raised starting november 1st
Post by: xCaLeBx on September 02, 2010, 06:28:43 PM
People still play Halo on computers?
all day long  :-*
Title: Re: xbox live subscription price raised starting november 1st
Post by: Good Samaritan on September 02, 2010, 06:46:17 PM
It doesn't matter. The Wii is better than XBox 360 and PS3 combined. Yeah, I said it. What now?



This is what the gaming world needs ....................

(https://www.cactusforums.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimages.gizmag.com%2Fhero%2F11354_30030932219.jpg&hash=74012faf81255ea780b40b05c168ac643fe817d5)


Hehe ;D
Title: Re: xbox live subscription price raised starting november 1st
Post by: Lamborghini_diablo on September 02, 2010, 07:24:48 PM
I'd say there's a lot more hackers on pc than all consoles combined.  That's one of pc's huge downsides.

Daniel

 :thumbup:


Really? I've seen people banned a LOT from servers lately just because they use Marty or Last Stand. A hacker wouldn't stand a chance. In the time I've played CoD4 online, I've seen maybe......... 3 hackers? It was more of an amusing experience when it occurred. Out of nowhere the "kill ticker" would fill up with headshots. That player would soon be removed.

Compare to all the reports of hacking on Xbox...
Title: Re: xbox live subscription price raised starting november 1st
Post by: Master KChief on September 02, 2010, 07:52:59 PM
whats the big deal with last stand? i can understand martyrdom, but to ban players just because they use a certain in-game perk or weapon is just silly.
Title: Re: xbox live subscription price raised starting november 1st
Post by: Smokey on September 02, 2010, 08:04:50 PM
whats the big deal with last stand? i can understand martyrdom, but to ban players just because they use a certain in-game perk or weapon is just silly.

Would you ban TGT if you had the chance? I think that answers your question.
Title: Re: xbox live subscription price raised starting november 1st
Post by: JSB23 on September 02, 2010, 08:05:47 PM
whats the big deal with last stand? i can understand martyrdom, but to ban players just because they use a certain in-game perk or weapon is just silly.

Would you ban TGT if you had the chance? I think that answers your question.
The thing is TGT is OP Martyrdom isn't
Title: Re: xbox live subscription price raised starting november 1st
Post by: Master_Chi on September 02, 2010, 08:14:49 PM
whats the big deal with last stand? i can understand martyrdom, but to ban players just because they use a certain in-game perk or weapon is just silly.

Would you ban TGT if you had the chance? I think that answers your question.
The thing is TGT is OP Martyrdom isn't

You can run away from a dropped grenade, but never TGT.
Title: Re: xbox live subscription price raised starting november 1st
Post by: xCaLeBx on September 02, 2010, 08:16:06 PM
You can run away from a dropped grenade, but never TGT.
thank you for the new sig.
Title: Re: xbox live subscription price raised starting november 1st
Post by: Master KChief on September 02, 2010, 08:16:18 PM
You can run away from a dropped grenade, but never TGT.

QFT.
Title: Re: xbox live subscription price raised starting november 1st
Post by: Master_Chi on September 02, 2010, 08:16:47 PM
You can run away from a dropped grenade, but never TGT.

QFT.

What's that?
Title: Re: xbox live subscription price raised starting november 1st
Post by: xCaLeBx on September 02, 2010, 08:18:29 PM
You can run away from a dropped grenade, but never TGT.

QFT.

What's that?
Quoted For Truth aka I agree
Title: Re: xbox live subscription price raised starting november 1st
Post by: Minister Polarius on September 03, 2010, 02:30:01 AM
Thread won, lock please.
Title: Re: xbox live subscription price raised starting november 1st
Post by: Lamborghini_diablo on September 03, 2010, 09:55:25 AM
whats the big deal with last stand? i can understand martyrdom, but to ban players just because they use a certain in-game perk or weapon is just silly.

It's just a server rule. They don't want those perks used on that server, and will kick or ban you if you don't follow them. Simple.

You're not banned from the entire game.  :P
Title: Re: xbox live subscription price raised starting november 1st
Post by: Good Samaritan on September 03, 2010, 11:06:41 AM
So much more freedom on consoles.... Just 'sayin ::)
Title: Re: xbox live subscription price raised starting november 1st
Post by: Lamborghini_diablo on September 03, 2010, 12:15:23 PM
How so? That's only certain servers that don't allow those perks.
Title: Re: xbox live subscription price raised starting november 1st
Post by: Good Samaritan on September 03, 2010, 12:35:02 PM
How so? That's only certain servers that don't allow those perks.


Just my opinion of it all.
Title: Re: xbox live subscription price raised starting november 1st
Post by: Master KChief on September 03, 2010, 01:18:23 PM
whats the big deal with last stand? i can understand martyrdom, but to ban players just because they use a certain in-game perk or weapon is just silly.

It's just a server rule. They don't want those perks used on that server, and will kick or ban you if you don't follow them. Simple.

You're not banned from the entire game.  :P

i know. i just found it a bit...i dunno...discriminatory?...that you couldnt play just because you used a certain perk. like i said, i can understand martyrdom, which infinity ward has stated in so many words or less that its broken, but i just dont get last stand. its pretty crappy most of the time.
Title: Re: xbox live subscription price raised starting november 1st
Post by: Cousin It on September 05, 2010, 01:41:57 AM
So...pretty sure Microsoft is like a cricket to the skyscraper that is Sony.  :P  The only reason they make so much money is because their product stinks so much.  I've had innumerable friends that have had red ring/blue screen of death/dead system.  Some, more than once.  And their controllers (thinking specifically of guitar hero guitars at least) die all the time too.  I'm too cheap to own an xBox.  I've never heard even once of a PS3 die.  :P  Just saying.  And my PS2 only died after having been run for 6 whole years.  Sony is pretty awesome.   ;D
Title: Re: xbox live subscription price raised starting november 1st
Post by: TheKarazyvicePresidentRR on September 05, 2010, 02:54:08 AM
So...pretty sure Microsoft is like a cricket to the skyscraper that is Sony.  :P  The only reason they make so much money is because their product stinks so much.  I've had innumerable friends that have had red ring/blue screen of death/dead system.  Some, more than once.  And their controllers (thinking specifically of guitar hero guitars at least) die all the time too.  I'm too cheap to own an xBox.  I've never heard even once of a PS3 die.  :P  Just saying.  And my PS2 only died after having been run for 6 whole years.  Sony is pretty awesome.   ;D
The guitars/drums die universally, I can assure you of that.
Title: Re: xbox live subscription price raised starting november 1st
Post by: Master KChief on September 05, 2010, 04:16:42 AM
So...pretty sure Microsoft is like a cricket to the skyscraper that is Sony.  :P  The only reason they make so much money is because their product stinks so much.  I've had innumerable friends that have had red ring/blue screen of death/dead system.  Some, more than once.  And their controllers (thinking specifically of guitar hero guitars at least) die all the time too.  I'm too cheap to own an xBox.  I've never heard even once of a PS3 die.  :P  Just saying.  And my PS2 only died after having been run for 6 whole years.  Sony is pretty awesome.   ;D

i've had my ps3 for a month, and its rlod right now. too lazy (and apathetic) to get it fixed because quite frankly, of all 3 systems, the ps3 is played the least. xbox rules all.
Title: Re: xbox live subscription price raised starting november 1st
Post by: Lamborghini_diablo on September 05, 2010, 10:29:54 AM
Great thing about PC's, if you have the knowledge to do so, you can usually fix them on your own if they seriously crash. Can't do that with Xbox/PS3 without ruining your warranty most of the time.

Example: One of my video cards decided to die after 2 years of use in this computer, I didn't have to send the entire computer away, Dell just shipped me new video cards and I swapped them out myself. If you even thought about opening your 360, Microsoft would cancel your warranty and probably fine you or something.  :D
Title: Re: xbox live subscription price raised starting november 1st
Post by: Good Samaritan on September 05, 2010, 02:57:25 PM
Quote from: Lamborghini_diablo
If you even thought about opening your 360, Microsoft would cancel your warranty and probably fine you or something.  :D
   

Nah...Only if you switch a few things will they fine you. (e.g given if proper software to run wii/PS3 games-plus disk drive{s}.

More to it but just one reason they could fine you. Unless they never find out.
Hahahah!
Title: Re: xbox live subscription price raised starting november 1st
Post by: Cousin It on September 05, 2010, 08:03:50 PM
Great thing about PC's, if you have the knowledge to do so, you can usually fix them on your own if they seriously crash. Can't do that with Xbox/PS3 without ruining your warranty most of the time.

SO true.  :P  Gotta love the comp because of that.
Title: Re: xbox live subscription price raised starting november 1st
Post by: Master_Chi on September 06, 2010, 03:43:20 PM
Microsoft > anything. Except Jesus.
Title: Re: xbox live subscription price raised starting november 1st
Post by: Daniel TS RED on September 06, 2010, 03:44:58 PM
Whenever you get the 3 rings and your warranty is expired.  Call microsoft and you'll see they're not your friends pretty quickly.

Daniel

 :thumbup:
Title: Re: xbox live subscription price raised starting november 1st
Post by: Master KChief on September 06, 2010, 03:49:58 PM
3 rrod is usually covered by microsoft free of charge, warranty or not. its the other rings that are not (1, 2, or 4). microsoft has been very considerate with players experiencing the biggest hardware hiccup in history, and i have had all of my 360's repaired free of charge with a turnaround of about 2 or 3 weeks in my experience. they'll even usually throw in some free gifts with your repaired console as well (to date, i've received free subs, points, controllers, wireless headsets, and faceplates on return repairs).
Title: Re: xbox live subscription price raised starting november 1st
Post by: Master_Chi on September 06, 2010, 03:53:49 PM
3 rrod is usually covered by microsoft free of charge, warranty or not. its the other rings that are not (1, 2, or 4). microsoft has been very considerate with players experiencing the biggest hardware hiccup in history, and i have had all of my 360's repaired free of charge with a turnaround of about 2 or 3 weeks in my experience. they'll even usually throw in some free gifts with your repaired console as well (to date, i've received free subs, points, controllers, wireless headsets, and faceplates on return repairs).

Cheap as free = happy timez. Would be funny if they included a Turt Beach HS in your returned console.
Title: Re: xbox live subscription price raised starting november 1st
Post by: Master KChief on September 06, 2010, 04:11:00 PM
haha yeah, that would be pretty cool, but when i meant headset, i just meant the microsoft ones...they just send you their own product. they dont hold a candle to my hpx's, but still, kinda hard to beat a free $50 wireless headset.
Title: Re: xbox live subscription price raised starting november 1st
Post by: Daniel TS RED on September 06, 2010, 04:28:40 PM
I bought one of the first 360's.  And it died and they fixed it and gave it a year extension I believe.  Then it died again with the same problem.  I thought, hey, they'll just fix it consider'n its the same problem. Well they were gonna fix it, but for $99.  I thought that was a total rip.  I escalated as high as I could through xbox and microsoft and they all told me the same thing.  $99 or get a new one.  Well might as well put that towards a new blu ray player too, so I went ahead with the ps3.  I loved the 360, but when that happens, it's time to change imo.

Daniel

 :thumbup:

p.s. I thought the graphics were better on the 360 and xbl is better than psn imo, but with the free blu-ray, free built in wireless, and free online game'n, i'd say they're basically equal.  Just matters which one you like the best I guess.  Either one kills PC too, what?? haha.
Title: Re: xbox live subscription price raised starting november 1st
Post by: Lamborghini_diablo on September 06, 2010, 04:37:37 PM
Either one kills PC too, what?? haha.

Never.  :P

PC > consoles.
Title: Re: xbox live subscription price raised starting november 1st
Post by: Daniel TS RED on September 06, 2010, 04:38:18 PM
Either one kills PC too, what?? haha.

Never.  :P

PC > consoles.

figured you'd take the bait on that one, haha.

Daniel

 8)
Title: Re: xbox live subscription price raised starting november 1st
Post by: Master KChief on September 06, 2010, 04:43:01 PM
consoles > pc.

pc's require too much management and maintenance. i much prefer the simplicity of plug and play with consoles. get in, get out, get on with your life.

and nothing beats playing mw2 in full 1080p on a 50" led.
Title: Re: xbox live subscription price raised starting november 1st
Post by: Lamborghini_diablo on September 06, 2010, 05:34:22 PM
Playing CoD4 on a PC > MW2 regardless.  ;)

And, PC's can be plugged in to TV's as well.
Title: Re: xbox live subscription price raised starting november 1st
Post by: Master_Chi on September 09, 2010, 09:28:09 AM
Playing CoD4 on a PC > MW2 regardless.  ;)

And, PC's can be plugged in to TV's as well.

Maybe so, but it is infinitely easier to hack a PC game than a console game. It still happens to both, but it is more frequent with PC games. Besides, to have a good computer that keeps up with grafx and awesome games means you have to buy better grafx cards and whatnot. Xbox 360, PS3, and Wii are all one-time buys. Unless you don't yell loud enough at servants of Bill Gates.
Title: Re: xbox live subscription price raised starting november 1st
Post by: Master KChief on September 09, 2010, 10:06:04 AM
the console hardware also stands up considerably well during its lifespan as well. its not like the best pc videocards out there completely blow the ps3 or 360 out of the water in terms of graphical improvement. as long as i have my hd, im cool.
Title: Re: xbox live subscription price raised starting november 1st
Post by: Master_Chi on September 09, 2010, 10:59:54 AM
the console hardware also stands up considerably well during its lifespan as well. its not like the best pc videocards out there completely blow the ps3 or 360 out of the water in terms of graphical improvement. as long as i have my hd, im cool.

Non-colored HD stinks. Hotel HDTV's FTL.
Title: Re: xbox live subscription price raised starting november 1st
Post by: Master KChief on September 09, 2010, 12:54:27 PM
well, i've been playing metroid: other m alot recently...and while a great looking game for the wii system, i've caught myself thinking over and over...'this would look way better on ps3 or xbox 360'. i really cant stand watching non-hd material anymore...hd is the best thing since sliced bread.
Title: Re: xbox live subscription price raised starting november 1st
Post by: lightningninja on September 09, 2010, 01:25:15 PM
Idk, my brother has a 63' TV at his college apartment with blu ray. Now THAT'S a movie.  ;D
Title: Re: xbox live subscription price raised starting november 1st
Post by: SomeKittens on September 09, 2010, 04:17:28 PM
the console hardware also stands up considerably well during its lifespan as well. its not like the best pc videocards out there completely blow the ps3 or 360 out of the water in terms of graphical improvement. as long as i have my hd, im cool.
Point 1.) correct.  However, "stands up well" means "no games with better graphics" rather than "can handle new graphics".
Point 2.) Absolutely incorrect.  We can hit resolutions much better than yours, and then add another monitor (or five)

I'm running a 9800 GTX, released in 2008, and I've never had an issue graphics wise.  I can run anything (including Crysis) maxed at full FPS.  And then I can alt tab to Chrome/Firefox/IE (Hey, look, I get to choose my browser) on my secondary monitor.
Maybe so, but it is infinitely easier to hack a PC game than a console game. It still happens to both, but it is more frequent with PC games.

Modded controllers?  Lagswitching?  Punkbuster?
Title: Re: xbox live subscription price raised starting november 1st
Post by: Master_Chi on September 09, 2010, 05:18:52 PM
I wasn't saying that hacks for the 360 don't exist, I was just saying it's easier to hack the PC than console.
Title: Re: xbox live subscription price raised starting november 1st
Post by: SomeKittens on September 09, 2010, 05:20:13 PM
This is based on personal experience, or a verifiable study?
Title: Re: xbox live subscription price raised starting november 1st
Post by: Master_Chi on September 09, 2010, 05:24:01 PM
This is based on personal experience, or a verifiable study?

Both? I suppose if you knew how to do it, it could be easier to "hack" consoles (lagswitching), but opening up a controller or 360 without any knowledge, you're gonna screw your warranty. With PC's, sometimes all you have to do is open a text file or something and change a few numbers to unlock stuff you shouldn't unlock for awhile (Battlefield 2 said hi).
Title: Re: xbox live subscription price raised starting november 1st
Post by: SomeKittens on September 09, 2010, 05:27:22 PM
A verifiable study requires a link.
And dealing with hackers is much easier on PC's, and doubly so with Dedicated Servers.
Title: Re: xbox live subscription price raised starting november 1st
Post by: Master KChief on September 09, 2010, 06:23:08 PM
Point 2.) Absolutely incorrect.  We can hit resolutions much better than yours, and then add another monitor (or five)

...ok, thats great, but just because you tack on a few extra lines of pixels still doesnt mean you're blowing the ps3's and 360's out of the water. 'blowing it out of the water' would be, say, if pc's had 360/ps3 graphics while current gen consoles had playstation/n64 era graphics or lower. lets not forget that when new next gen consoles hit, they set the bar for graphical performance (albeit which pc then has to catch up and surpass a bit), but the graphical performances of next gen consoles to pc's is never a huge vastly difference before the console cycles out of its lifespan for the next console.

yeah, thats cool you can customize your monitor setup, but 5 monitors on the near-same caliber of quality hdtvs (which they never will be) would be far too costly to reap significant benefits imo. im perfectly fine on my massive led for now (and 3-d later on; good luck with that, pc).
Title: Re: xbox live subscription price raised starting november 1st
Post by: SomeKittens on September 09, 2010, 06:39:29 PM
When did I ever say "Blowing out of the water"?

And we've had 3D for years.  http://www.nvidia.com/object/3d-vision-3d-games.html (http://www.nvidia.com/object/3d-vision-3d-games.html)
Title: Re: xbox live subscription price raised starting november 1st
Post by: Master KChief on September 09, 2010, 06:56:28 PM
i said pc graphics do not blow console graphics out of the water. you said that was incorrect. thus, that has been the topic of discussion.

as for nvidia '3-d' games, 99% of the excellent list haven't even been released in the past 1 to 2 years (after a quick scan, i can say with almost 100% certainty none of that list are current games...have fun playing alvin and the chipmunks in '3-d'). as such, i suspect these 3-d graphics you boast of is nothing more than trying to add shine to miserable graphics, and is nothing compared to the true 3-d found in movie theaters or recently released 3-d tv's. its obvious none of the games on the list were geared towards 3-d (so one can only assume horrible execution), whereas 3-d games are being developed right now as we speak for consoles.
Title: Re: xbox live subscription price raised starting november 1st
Post by: SomeKittens on September 09, 2010, 06:58:27 PM
And we've had 3D for years.  http://www.nvidia.com/object/3d-vision-3d-games.html (http://www.nvidia.com/object/3d-vision-3d-games.html)
3D.  For years.  As of now, yours are "in development".  Just like Duke Nukem Forever.
Title: Re: xbox live subscription price raised starting november 1st
Post by: Master KChief on September 09, 2010, 07:03:14 PM
lulz at nvidia '3-d'. can we even call it that? you know, you can add as much perfume as you want to crap...but in the end, its still crap.

...oh, btw, killzone 3 has a confirmed release date of feb 22, 2011. goodbye pc graphics, hello true 3-d (and hello sony bravia 3dtv for me).
Title: Re: xbox live subscription price raised starting november 1st
Post by: SomeKittens on September 09, 2010, 07:26:50 PM
The ironic part of all this is that you're defending a console made by Microsoft.
lulz at nvidia '3-d'. can we even call it that? you know, you can add as much perfume as you want to crap...but in the end, its still crap.

...oh, btw, killzone 3 has a confirmed release date of feb 22, 2011. goodbye pc graphics, hello true 3-d (and hello sony bravia 3dtv for me).
This quote brought to you by:
(https://www.cactusforums.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fuserserve-ak.last.fm%2Fserve%2F_%2F4577040%2FHype%2BMachine%2Bhypem2.jpg&hash=b19ac7083d9f0b47d64ac484efbac3aa19b1a422)
Title: Re: xbox live subscription price raised starting november 1st
Post by: Master KChief on September 09, 2010, 07:31:44 PM
not hype, facts. google is your friend.
Title: Re: xbox live subscription price raised starting november 1st
Post by: Master_Chi on September 09, 2010, 07:36:57 PM
lulz at nvidia '3-d'. can we even call it that? you know, you can add as much perfume as you want to crap...but in the end, its still crap.

...oh, btw, killzone 3 has a confirmed release date of feb 22, 2011. goodbye pc graphics, hello true 3-d (and hello sony bravia 3dtv for me).

Any trailers/such for KZ3? I really liked the grafx for KZ2 and it was alright to play (didn't understand gameplay that much... :-\).
Title: Re: xbox live subscription price raised starting november 1st
Post by: Master KChief on September 09, 2010, 07:39:46 PM
yup, the 3d demos are all over youtube.
Title: Re: xbox live subscription price raised starting november 1st
Post by: Master_Chi on September 09, 2010, 07:41:15 PM
yup, the 3d demos are all over youtube.

Like flies on poop?
Title: Re: xbox live subscription price raised starting november 1st
Post by: Master KChief on September 09, 2010, 07:42:13 PM
yup, the 3d demos are all over youtube.

Like flies on poop?

well, this is true 3d, not nvidia 3d. ;)
Title: Re: xbox live subscription price raised starting november 1st
Post by: SomeKittens on September 09, 2010, 07:45:36 PM
Says the person who's never tried it.  Based on the same factor, Killzone 3 is nothing more than yet another halo clone.  And it can't even rip something off correctly.
Title: Re: xbox live subscription price raised starting november 1st
Post by: Master_Chi on September 09, 2010, 07:46:15 PM
yup, the 3d demos are all over youtube.

Like flies on poop?

well, this is true 3d, not nvidia 3d. ;)

X(
Title: Re: xbox live subscription price raised starting november 1st
Post by: Master KChief on September 09, 2010, 07:50:33 PM
Says the person who's never tried it.  Based on the same factor, Killzone 3 is nothing more than yet another halo clone.  And it can't even rip something off correctly.

since when were we discussing story material versus graphical performance? i could care less if it was a man on a mission to save a ham sandwich...ITS FREAKIN' TRUE 3D! :)

it is also not necessary for anyone to try it when anyone can see, for fact, it is a real 3d game.
Title: Re: xbox live subscription price raised starting november 1st
Post by: Master_Chi on September 09, 2010, 07:52:22 PM
yup, the 3d demos are all over youtube.

They are quite amazing, I must say. Can you explain the gameplay of KZ? I didn't get it when I played....
Title: Re: xbox live subscription price raised starting november 1st
Post by: Master KChief on September 09, 2010, 08:05:13 PM
i've never played a kz game myself, but as kittens pointed out, its pretty much a halo/gow-esque kind of fps. with cod and halo dominating the market, other fps' pretty much walk in their shadow and dont get noticed all that much. hopefully people will be drawn in by the 3d.
Title: Re: xbox live subscription price raised starting november 1st
Post by: Master_Chi on September 09, 2010, 08:09:02 PM
i've never played a kz game myself, but as kittens pointed out, its pretty much a halo/gow-esque kind of fps. with cod and halo dominating the market, other fps' pretty much walk in their shadow and dont get noticed all that much. hopefully people will be drawn in by the 3d.

Very true. It's probably one of those games that you have to know EVERYTHING about it, like UFC Undisputed. I prefer button-masher fighting games.
Title: Re: xbox live subscription price raised starting november 1st
Post by: SomeKittens on September 09, 2010, 08:12:47 PM
Says the person who's never tried it.  Based on the same factor, Killzone 3 is nothing more than yet another halo clone.  And it can't even rip something off correctly.

since when were we discussing story material versus graphical performance? i could care less if it was a man on a mission to save a ham sandwich...ITS FREAKIN' TRUE 3D! :)

it is also not necessary for anyone to try it when anyone can see, for fact, it is a real 3d game.
I still, from the vantage point of never having anything to do with it, think it's terrible.  And all the three-dee stinks.

Or, I could go check it out myself.  I saw this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZRYO8NrlejQ#ws) trailer.  My verdict: another bland fps, this one substituting white for the usual brown.  Which is all well and good, if you like bland fps action (I don't), but that doesn't make the console "better".  As to the 3D, PC had it first.  Neither of us is qualified to determine the quality, so the only solid fact is that we had it years before you.  I would hazard a guess that most of the research come from us.

3D has been around since the 50's.  (Mainly in film form)
Title: Re: xbox live subscription price raised starting november 1st
Post by: Master KChief on September 09, 2010, 08:25:39 PM
i've never played a kz game myself, but as kittens pointed out, its pretty much a halo/gow-esque kind of fps. with cod and halo dominating the market, other fps' pretty much walk in their shadow and dont get noticed all that much. hopefully people will be drawn in by the 3d.

Very true. It's probably one of those games that you have to know EVERYTHING about it, like UFC Undisputed. I prefer button-masher fighting games.

im a huge fighting game enthusiast myself...soul calibur 4, super street fighter 4, tekken 6, marvel vs capcom 2, blazblue...all great fighters.

I still, from the vantage point of never having anything to do with it, think it's terrible.  And all the three-dee stinks.

you're entitled to that opinion. but you're in a camp with very few other people. as has been proven with the success of 3d movies, true 3d is all the rage now (it would truly sadden me if you havent seen avatar in 3d yet...stunning).

Quote
Which is all well and good, if you like bland fps action (I don't), but that doesn't make the console "better".

3d versus non-3d...hmm, yeah, thats a tough call there...  

Quote
As to the 3D, PC had it first.

false. please direct me to any pc videogames that were built from the ground up in 3d. you cant. zero. zilch. nvidia geforce 3d looks like a poor excuse for 3d. it more than likely relies on headtracking, which is what the new nintendo 3ds will be using...which isnt true 3d.

Quote
...so the only solid fact is that we had it years before you.

pc does not have true 3d.

Quote
I would hazard a guess that most of the research come from us.

...when admittedly you say the movie industry has been doing it since the 50's.
Title: Re: xbox live subscription price raised starting november 1st
Post by: SomeKittens on September 09, 2010, 08:47:09 PM
3D gaming comes from us.  And "true" 3D is when there are actual three-dimensional objects.  y'know, unlike a screen.
Quote
Which is all well and good, if you like bland fps action (I don't), but that doesn't make the console "better".
3d versus non-3d...hmm, yeah, thats a tough call there... 
I'd rather play a 2D Portal 2 than a 3D (insert bland FPS here) any day of the week.
Title: Re: xbox live subscription price raised starting november 1st
Post by: Master KChief on September 09, 2010, 08:50:47 PM
if you want to pass off poop-shine as 3d, be my guest. when it comes to movie-quality 3d that can be played on a 3dtv, ps3 will be the first, thank you.

I'd rather play a 2D Portal 2 than a 3D (insert bland FPS here) any day of the week.

bland is subjective. bland is irrelevant to the discussion. this entire discussion has been about true 3d (and lets clarify, when i say true 3d, i mean the best the industry can push out currently, which is the kind that is viewed on 3dtv's), not whether you favor a color scheme or not.
Title: Re: xbox live subscription price raised starting november 1st
Post by: Master_Chi on September 13, 2010, 10:51:07 AM
Try this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0cLv2_e9QoE#ws) trailer. Can't wait for the game to come out.
Title: Re: xbox live subscription price raised starting november 1st
Post by: SomeKittens on September 13, 2010, 12:39:34 PM
Look at your hand.  It has three dimensions.  Look at your screen.  No matter how images may appear to be 3D, it is not truly three-dimensional.

As to subjective, your argument that an entire gaming platform is better due to it having a certain type of graphics capability is entirely subjective.
Title: Re: xbox live subscription price raised starting november 1st
Post by: Lozo777 on September 13, 2010, 01:45:30 PM
I'm a little late to this conversation. Whatever.

I'm gonna buy a year of live and then I'll probably stop. They should be rewarding us for sticking with them instead of going with PS3 which has FREE online gameplay but nooo they raise the price..
Title: Re: xbox live subscription price raised starting november 1st
Post by: SomeKittens on September 13, 2010, 05:42:36 PM
Just finished playing an hour of Alien Swarm (Kinda like Space Hulk), for free.  Thank you Steam!
I also had the Colbert Report in my second monitor.  Multitasking!
Title: Re: xbox live subscription price raised starting november 1st
Post by: Master KChief on September 13, 2010, 07:25:21 PM
Look at your hand.  It has three dimensions.  Look at your screen.  No matter how images may appear to be 3D, it is not truly three-dimensional.

you were the only one that has brought up actual 3 dimensional, real-life objects. i am the one arguing for the best graphics that appear 3-dimensional in the industry. i even clarified my (obvious to most) point of what i meant by 'true' 3-d as recent as my last post:

this entire discussion has been about true 3d (and lets clarify, when i say true 3d, i mean the best the industry can push out currently, which is the kind that is viewed on 3dtv's)...

...so really, unless you dont read or completely misinterpret everything i say, you really have no excuse.

Quote
As to subjective, your argument that an entire gaming platform is better due to it having a certain type of graphics capability is entirely subjective.

if you argued that super nintendo graphics were better than xbox 360 graphics, i would be ashamed to call you a gamer.
Title: Re: xbox live subscription price raised starting november 1st
Post by: SomeKittens on September 13, 2010, 07:31:26 PM
Says the person who's never tried it.  Based on the same factor, Killzone 3 is nothing more than yet another halo clone.  And it can't even rip something off correctly.

since when were we discussing story material versus graphical performance? i could care less if it was a man on a mission to save a ham sandwich...ITS FREAKIN' TRUE 3D! :)

it is also not necessary for anyone to try it when anyone can see, for fact, it is a real 3d game.
you were the only one that has brought up actual 3 dimensional

oops.
if you argued that super nintendo graphics were better than xbox 360 graphics, i would be ashamed to call you a gamer.
If you argued that Shadowrun was a better game than Super Mario Brothers because it had better graphics, I'd be ashamed to call you a gamer.
Title: Re: xbox live subscription price raised starting november 1st
Post by: Master KChief on September 13, 2010, 07:35:48 PM
oops.

oh yes, because its OH SO OBVIOUS i was referencing in-real-life (which, ftr, you have been the only person in this thread to interpret 3d in such a manner) 3d every single time i said '3d'. hmm, we're talking about videogames, we're talking about the graphical capabilities of 3d...it doesnt take a rocket scientist to put 2 and 2 together. oops.

Quote
If you argued that Shadowrun was a better game than Super Mario Brothers because it had better graphics, I'd be ashamed to call you a gamer.

ooo, is this a straw man??? i believe it is!!! :o :o :o
(https://www.cactusforums.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fcactusgamedesign.com%2Fmessage_boards%2FThemes%2Fdefault%2Fimages%2Fwarnwarn.gif&hash=f188073d20178564d50031f137e93fd1b4cf549e) Apparently is not getting the message about derision and sarcasm as forms of communication.
Title: Re: xbox live subscription price raised starting november 1st
Post by: xCaLeBx on September 13, 2010, 07:37:11 PM


Quote
If you argued that Shadowrun was a better game than Super Mario Brothers because it had better graphics, I'd be ashamed to call you a gamer.

ooo, is this a straw man??? i believe it is!!! :o :o :o

MKC wins argument end of story.
Title: Re: xbox live subscription price raised starting november 1st
Post by: SomeKittens on September 13, 2010, 08:05:55 PM
Point 1.  You used the words "Real 3D".  I can either read your mind (which I can't), or take your words literally.  I won't accept responsibility for your inability to communicate.

Point 2.  You have very much to learn.  Do some actual research before using a term like "straw man", so you won't look like as much of an idiot when you shoot your mouth off.
       Subpoint A.  This is not an example of a "Straw Man" argument.  You can clearly tell by my use of the word "if".  It was a hypothetical situation, rather than postulating you said something you didn't.
       Subpoint B.  I simply rephrased something you said.  If this phrase was a game-changer, it was on both sides.
(https://www.cactusforums.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fcactusgamedesign.com%2Fmessage_boards%2FThemes%2Fdefault%2Fimages%2Fwarnwarn.gif&hash=f188073d20178564d50031f137e93fd1b4cf549e) Debate is okay.  Calling people idiots is not.
Title: Re: xbox live subscription price raised starting november 1st
Post by: Master KChief on September 13, 2010, 08:32:23 PM
Point 1.  You used the words "Real 3D".  I can either read your mind (which I can't), or take your words literally.  I won't accept responsibility for your inability to communicate.

you should take responsibility for the inability to comprehend.

Quote
Point 2.  You have very much to learn.  Do some actual research before using a term like "straw man", so you won't look like as much of an idiot when you shoot your mouth off.

resorting to calling people idiots as a last-ditch effort makes you look even less intelligent than you're trying.


Quote
       Subpoint A.  This is not an example of a "Straw Man" argument.  You can clearly tell by my use of the word "if".  It was a hypothetical situation, rather than postulating you said something you didn't.

Quote
The straw man fallacy occurs in the following pattern of argument:

1.Person A has position X.
2.Person B disregards certain key points of X and instead presents the superficially-similar position Y.

looks pretty legit to me.


Quote
Subpoint B.  I simply rephrased something you said.

you mean, you distorted something i said into superficially-similiar position Y?
Title: Re: xbox live subscription price raised starting november 1st
Post by: SomeKittens on September 14, 2010, 12:46:36 AM
you should take responsibility for the inability to comprehend.
See that big, wooden looking thing inhibiting your vision?

As far as I'm concerned, I'm done with this thread.
Title: Re: xbox live subscription price raised starting november 1st
Post by: The Schaef on September 14, 2010, 08:00:17 AM
Actually, everyone is done with this thread.  These personal attacks are ruining the experience for everybody, and it's going to stop.  I leave it to the two of you whether you want to be trendsetters or examples in this regard.
SimplePortal 2.3.3 © 2008-2010, SimplePortal