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Other Gaming => Video & Computer Games => Topic started by: JSB23 on August 27, 2008, 12:29:03 AM
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Favorite characters and why?
From what I have so far:
Olimar ( Good maneuverability, power and final smash is great)
Snake ( great recovery)
Ike (amazing power and final smash )
Update:
Toon Link (He owns!)
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search bar.......already a couple of threads like this.
smash balls are for n00bs
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There was not a current one and yes I am a noob I got the game this afternoon
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Smash balls are fun. Specialy on hyrule temple where they have a chance of failure.
My fave is wario
Strong attack
Awesome recovery
THE BIKE (nuff said on that)
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Dude, put bunny ears on permanent with a friend, and both play sonic, and play on Big Blue. Just race around the track! Dude, that's fun...we also tried Wario with his bike and...well...I guess it worked, it was just hard ;)
Anyway. From my best character to my least:
1) Kirby
2) Ganondorf
3) Lucas
4) Snake/Fox tie
1-5, favorite to use:
1) Ganondorf
2) Lucas
3) Kirby
4) Snake
5) Fox
I'm very close to dropping Fox for R.O.B.
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Kirby, Link, Fox/Falcon, Ness/Lucas.
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search bar.......already a couple of threads like this.
smash balls are for n00bs
Oh and...
A. Your right, smash balls are for n00b0rns.
B. Too many intake of Smash forums anyone?
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http://cactusgamedesign.com/message_boards/index.php?topic=9533.0
That aside, welcome to the Smash community!
My Best and Favorite:
1) Sonic - Difficult to learn. Takes time to master. Once you do master him, Sonic can be a beast...
2) Falco - SPIKE!!!! Lasers!!!!
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1. Toon Link
2. Zero Suit Samus
3. Sonic
4. Lucas
5. Ike
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There was not a current one and yes I am a noob I got the game this afternoon
Why didn't you tell me you got a Wii! That is sweet! too bad I am a tad sick.
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I didn't want to make you sad because you where sick
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Smash balls are fun. Specialy on hyrule temple where they have a chance of failure.
My fave is wario
Strong attack
Awesome recovery
THE BIKE (nuff said on that)
ME TOO!!!!!! I THINK WARIO IS AWESOME!!!!!!!!!!! (hes always been MY FAV.!!!)
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1. Toon Link
2. Zero Suit Samus
3. Sonic
4. Lucas
5. Ike
don't take this seruisly,but,do you think zerosuit samus is sexy or something? i mean,she is really WEAK.(the thing i said about her being WEAK IS TRUE)
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Her attacks aren't that strong but that whip gun is intresting.
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Her attacks aren't that strong but that whip gun is intresting.
whea,INTERESTING,NOT STRONG.key word right there
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I hate Wario he is evil!
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Snake(because he's just way too good.)
I'll post more once I have time*
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Intresting is alot better than strong because catching someone off guard is the best offense imo.
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catching someone off guard is the best offense imo.
Obviously ;)
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I hate Wario he is evil!
how is wario evil??????????
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I have a friend who plays a scary good Wario better then a Lv. 9 CPU and he just started playing Brawl
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Cuz wario is just that good. ;)
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I'll just stick to Olimar and Snake
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captain falcon because he's fast and classic.
ganandorf cause he's captain falcon. :P
ike cause they never should have made him in multi-player cause he's way too good.
and Lucas, for the sake of what RR said.
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I tried this game once... Sucked at it. Never played it again. Lol.
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ZSS is amazing at teh_combos.....
Falcon is teh_lose now compared to teh_GOD_of manliness he was in melee.
That's why I second him now lol
Wario is teh_lose. Sonic pwnge FTL.
I wanna play my Sonic against someone here
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Hey Reggie,
My Kirby = Your Sonic. I mean, I think my kirby has taken the cake in about half of our Kirby/Sonic matches. Right?
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Ok, if you say so [/sarcasm]
jkjk...nah I think your Kirby is up to par with my Falco....
I get a lil frustrated in our Kirby/Falco matches.
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I tried this game once... Sucked at it. Never played it again. Lol.
It's not really a game you can just pick up and play (well) without any prior experience. IMO keep at it. Just pick a character that feels natural to you and get comfortable enough with them that you don't have to think about what to do while you're playing.
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It's not really a game you can just pick up and play (well) without any prior experience.
Hey, I thought we were talking about brawl? Not melee. ;)
BTW, While my Sonic does play better than my Falco, I find it easier to play as Falco.
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It's not really a game you can just pick up and play (well) without any prior experience.
Hey, I thought we were talking about brawl? Not melee. ;)
Oh wait I forgot, you play easy characters :P
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Falco isn't that easy! [/sarcasm]
I took up Falcon as a second. How's that for easy?
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Olimar and snake are better
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Snake's top tier for a reason.
I used to play Olimar as a third. I easily got bored when playing as him though.
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I did you master Natures Revenge?
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Falco isn't that easy! [/sarcasm]
I took up Falcon as a second. How's that for easy?
*sigh*
He has a chain grab. 'Nuff said. Captain Falcon is...interesting, I approve ;D
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Chaingrabs are for cheap n00bs and Falco players. *Guilty lol*
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Chaingrabs are for cheap n00bs and Falco players. *Guilty lol*
Kirbycide, however, is cool ;) Especially when I don't die. I hadn't ever really played Kirby before tonight, I had a lot of fun using him. I may try to use him as an alternate character (Link of course being my main, I could never give him up).
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Yes, Kirbycide is ridiculously awesome, and surprisingly easy.
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Kirby owns all I mean C'mon who does'nt like pink puffballs that can fly and turn i to bricks ::) Kirbycide FTW
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I have a friend who plays a scary good Wario better then a Lv. 9 CPU and he just started playing Brawl
HOLY COW!!!
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I have a friend who plays a scary good Wario better then a Lv. 9 CPU and he just started playing Brawl
HOLY COW!!!
That's not really that hard. You didn't really have to bump this.
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well guess what,i'm not as good as him,so to me,thats AWSOME!
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1. Toon Link
2. Zero Suit Samus
3. Sonic
4. Lucas
5. Ike
don't take this seruisly,but,do you think zerosuit samus is sexy or something? i mean,she is really WEAK.(the thing i said about her being WEAK IS TRUE)
Sorry to bring up an old Quote. Dude.... You have no idea how good I am with her.
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1. Toon Link
2. Zero Suit Samus
3. Sonic
4. Lucas
5. Ike
don't take this seruisly,but,do you think zerosuit samus is sexy or something? i mean,she is really WEAK.(the thing i said about her being WEAK IS TRUE)
Sorry to bring up an old Quote. Dude.... You have no idea how good I am with her.
Can you play online? I want to teach you a lesson... ;)
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I would love to get a lesson from you but I STILL need a router for my Wii.....
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Quoting is not difficult.
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Quoting is not difficult.
lol, idk what the heck happened...edited.
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Yes I would like teach you as well. BTW, folks I have officially dropped Falcon for ZSS as a third.
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Yes I would like teach you as well. BTW, folks I have officially dropped Falcon for ZSS.
*Applause*
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search bar.......already a couple of threads like this.
smash balls are for n00bs
no they're not! they're FUN!!!!!!!!!!
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Yes, fun is for n00bs.
Wow, I don't even remember posting that. Did you really search this whole thread for a reason to post?
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no, Cat he just started reading at the beginning ;)
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play kirby= kill all.
NUFF SAID :maul:
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Sonic. His homing attack is quite useful. :D
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Return of the undead topic from beyond the grave!!!!!
(otherwise know as a necropost)
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You may laugh... but here's my top five:
Toon link(bring it)
Lucario
Jigglypuff(I told you that you'd laugh)
Wolf
Bowser(he's SUPER good)
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Are you on WiFi?
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Are you on WiFi?
Luckily for you... no.
Any tips? Not sure how to get on wi-fi. I don't have wi-fi at my house. Is there any other way?
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hmmm.
Meta knight
Kirby
THe guy that replaced Roy
Snake
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hmmm.
Meta knight
Kirby
THe guy that replaced Roy
Snake
Ike? He's great in multi... but one on one, he's just too slow. If he was fighting toon link, he'd rarely even land a hit. That's why I like fast characters. And bowser. ;D
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Meta Knight is going to be banned in tournament play
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I certainly hope Meta Knight isn't going to be banned! >:( My favorite characters in order are:
Sonic the Hedgehog (from Sonic Universe ;) + unmatched speed and all around good play)
Fox McCloud (Fox is my favorite character from Star Fox + very good agility)
Meta Knight (once again for the character + mach-speed sword)
Wolf (character + balanced)
Mario (character + all around, balanced play)
This is roughly done off the top of my head, but these are the characters I generally enjoy playing as.
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I certainly hope Meta Knight isn't going to be banned! >:( My favorite characters in order are:
I think he already is
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I think he already is.
I thought they voted 70% against banning Meta Knight. :dunno:
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Ike
Marth
Meta Knight
Pit
(undecided for the fifth, I haven't played with everybody...)
getting this game tomorrow. w00t!
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I don't see why meta knight is getting banned... he doesn't seem THAT good. :dunno:
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I don't see why meta knight is getting banned... he doesn't seem THAT good. :dunno:
Great Speed, easy to maneuver, SICK priority, unpredictable recovery (any of your "b" buttons can recover), having 5? jumps, having no unfavorable match-ups..... yeah, he isn't that good.
The only thing he is lacking is a better KO move. His smashes aren't the best, and his up b can hurt if you make a mistake.
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I still don't get it... so what you can survive? You can't kill people near as well as Snake, Lucario, or most other people can. :dunno:
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What do you mean by that? No, you can't deliver the KO at a lower damage as many other characters can, but that doesn't matter when your totally dominating your opponent with your speed and priority, all while surviving for a long time due to your recoveries :p.
Edit: My "best character" list
Meta Knight
Snake
Falco
Mr. Game and Watch
Captain Falcon (because I play with him A LOT)
Marth
On a side note, I lost my copy of SSBB :(. I must find it...
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Yeah, but he's pretty light... you can't recover when you are thrown too far into the map and you explode.
Which is why I use Ganandorf. Kicking people into the abyss when they try to come back is just so much fun! ;D
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Yeah, but he's pretty light... you can't recover when you are thrown too far into the map and you explode.
Which is why I use Ganandorf. Kicking people into the abyss when they try to come back is just so much fun! ;D
good luck hitting him.
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Yeah, but he's pretty light... you can't recover when you are thrown too far into the map and you explode.
Which is why I use Ganandorf. Kicking people into the abyss when they try to come back is just so much fun! ;D
By the time you get a good Meta-Knight player up to enough damage to do that, generally you would have died once minimum ;).
The game
Meta-Knight is a beast. Top Tier fo-sho.
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Actually... I can kill people with ganandorf at zero percent. I grab them and throw them off the cliff and then I kick them down. It works if you can hit them.
And I know he's awesome... I just didn't think he is good enough to be banned. :)
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Apparently the people who made the tier list don't agree with you on Ganondorf's "awesomeness"
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Actually... I can kill people with ganandorf at zero percent. I grab them and throw them off the cliff and then I kick them down. It works if you can hit them.
And I know he's awesome... I just didn't think he is good enough to be banned. :)
Throwing and his d-air both do damage. Not to mention his d-air isn't very hard to dodge... ::). Even if you do, some fancy finger-work can get a few characters out of that death.
The reason I don't feel gannondorf is a very good character is his speed. He may be strong, but your not going to get in very many hits :/. I do often play him, though. His meteor smash is really fun.
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I don't like playing as Ganondorf very much either. I'm a speed player. I like Meta Knight because of his absolutely DOMINATING attack speed and his ability to knock opponents off the stage while they are attempting to recover is lots of fun! ;)
The only lacking part of Meta Knight's game is his light body and his somewhat weak attacks. Besides that, Meta Knight is definitely a beast to try and take down.
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Luigi owns ALL! (imo)
1. He has speed and some power
2. racks up damage quickly
3. he has many ways of getting back on the stage
4. up B owns (it timed right)
5. He can evade really well
I don't like playing as Ganondorf very much either. I'm a speed player. I like Meta Knight because of his absolutely DOMINATING attack speed and his ability to knock opponents off the stage while they are attempting to recover is lots of fun! ;)
The only lacking part of Meta Knight's game is his light body and his somewhat weak attacks. Besides that, Meta Knight is definitely a beast to try and take down.
He can get damage quickly, but he can't kill anyone (NO POWER). Maybe rarely by keeping them off stage works, rarely.
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The only lacking part of Meta Knight's game is his light body and his somewhat weak attacks. Besides that, Meta Knight is definitely a beast to try and take down.
He can get damage quickly, but he can't kill anyone (NO POWER). Maybe rarely by keeping them off stage works, rarely.
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:rollin: Best Brawl joke I've heard in a while
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MK relies on throwing the opponent off stage and gimping their recovery. Also, his up-b and d-smash have all the kill power you need. He's best in the game because of the fact that you cant punish any of his moves. he's just THAT fast.
They're looking into banning him in tourneys.
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ok, finally unlocked everybody.
1. Marth
2. Snake
3. Ike
4. Pit
5. Jiggly Puff! (haven't worked alot with her yet, but she was my second favorite in Melee, so...)
also, noticing the conversation on the 2nd page.... Zero Suit Samus is actually pretty good, but (like MK) doesn't have good kill attacks. I haven't worked alot with her, but she has good fast attacks.
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Have you tried MK up B anyway who needs kills when you can rack up damage then gimp their recovery?
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MK relies on throwing the opponent off stage and gimping their recovery. Also, his up-b and d-smash have all the kill power you need. He's best in the game because of the fact that you cant punish any of his moves. he's just THAT fast.
When you say punish his moves, do you mean dodge? if so, they're punishable, oh yes, they're punishable.
Have you tried MK up B anyway who needs kills when you can rack up damage then gimp their recovery?
Gimping doesn't work too well with me ;)
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MK relies on throwing the opponent off stage and gimping their recovery. Also, his up-b and d-smash have all the kill power you need. He's best in the game because of the fact that you cant punish any of his moves. he's just THAT fast.
When you say punish his moves, do you mean dodge? if so, they're punishable, oh yes, they're punishable.
Have you tried MK up B anyway who needs kills when you can rack up damage then gimp their recovery?
Gimping doesn't work too well with me ;)
i dont mean dodge. I mean punishing. >.> Ike can be punished in the post lag of his f-air. MK's moves, cannot be punished(with the exception of 'nado :).
do you know what gimping means? >.>
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I had to think about it, but now i do. I believe it means to attack him after his move is finished. And if the opponent MK's evasive maneuvers aren't too good, punishing is easy. ;)
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I had to think about it, but now i do. I believe it means to attack him after his move is finished. And if the opponent MK's evasive maneuvers aren't too good, punishing is easy. ;)
gimping means that as soon as they're about on, you hit them off again, preferably with up + b... at least, that's what I do
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I had to think about it, but now i do. I believe it means to attack him after his move is finished. And if the opponent MK's evasive maneuvers aren't too good, punishing is easy. ;)
gimping means that as soon as they're about on, you hit them off again, preferably with up + b... at least, that's what I do
That's also effective with MK. He can easily gimp any character, especially if they are very heavy. MK is clearly a strong character, and essentially easy to get good with.
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if you look @ tourney results, MK is consistently winning tourneys.
Gimping is using moves to intercept an opponents recovery. Basically, you're trying to stop them from getting back on stage, thus resulting with them losing a stock. Most MK mains I've met use moves like n-air, f-air, d-air, or up-b to gimp characters.
MK's moves also allow him break strings or combos. Even though his fall speed is terribly slow, he cant be juggled for the fact that his d-air is fast and disjointed. He can also nado away safely.
MK also has one of the top recoveries in the game. He has 5 jumps, he's the only character who can glide more than once, and all of his b-moves can be used for recovery. IIRC, he has the 2nd best recovery, right behind Sonic..
Many chaingrabs arent usable against MK, which makes him even gayer.
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if you look @ tourney results, MK is consistently winning tourneys.
Gimping is using moves to intercept an opponents recovery. Basically, you're trying to stop them from getting back on stage, thus resulting with them losing a stock. Most MK mains I've met use moves like n-air, f-air, d-air, or up-b to gimp characters.
MK's moves also allow him break strings or combos. Even though his fall speed is terribly slow, he cant be juggled for the fact that his d-air is fast and disjointed. He can also nado away safely.
MK also has one of the top recoveries in the game. He has 5 jumps, he's the only character who can glide more than once, and all of his b-moves can be used for recovery. IIRC, he has the 2nd best recovery, right behind Sonic..
Many chaingrabs arent usable against MK, which makes him even gayer.
What did I tell you? Meta Knight is BEAST! :laugh: ;D
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What did I tell you? Meta Knight is BEAST! :laugh: ;D
what have we been saying all along? we're just pondering whether it's so beatly it's banning worthy
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I personally don't think he's worth banning. He
may be is blazing fast and can gimp well, but his weight allows him to die very easily. Plus, besides gimping, there aren't really any other ways to kill opponents. Up b may rarely get people, if they have hi % and in the air, and his down smash might at 120%, but he doesn't have much power. :-\
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Right. Meta Knight is light, and can be killed quickly, and has very little power. Meta Knight shouldn't be banned.
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I don't think he should be banned, but then, I haven't played one of these guys who own the faces off of people with Meta Knight
snake is awesome.
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Meta Knight is very ban worthy imo. They had to create a separate tier to contain his awesome.
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Meta Knight is very ban worthy imo. They had to create a separate tier to contain his awesome.
:amen: :amen: :amen:
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Anybody here want to play?
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meta knight should be banned. he completely overshadows every single character in the game. snake could possibly give him a run for his money, but a MK player will always win.
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meta knight should be banned. he completely overshadows every single character in the game. snake could possibly give him a run for his money, but a MK player will always win.
I don't see how MK will beat snake, if snake is thrown off, he can just throw a grenade to cover his landing.
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meta knight should be banned. he completely overshadows every single character in the game. snake could possibly give him a run for his money, but a MK player will always win.
Not luigi. He doesn't fly after getting hit as easily, he has a lot of power moves, gimping recovery is very hard to do on him and he can dodge well. Also, in the span of his jump and double jump, he can pull off ALL his aerial attacks. Who else can do that (in ONE double jump, not 5, and without floating (PEACH))? He can do more when he does his 'nado move. Imagine when he's high in the air :o
Right. Meta Knight is light, and can be killed quickly, and has very little power. Meta Knight shouldn't be banned.
NotOfThisWorld66,
How come you just said AMEN to his being ban worthy? I'm just a little confused.
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Anybody here want to play?
Sure. What's your friend code? Mine is: 3694-9712-2566. (Hint, hint, for anyone else who might want to play me :))
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I guess I didn't clarify that I was saying Amen to the fact that they had to make another tier to contain his awesome. Sorry about that. :-[
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Anybody here want to play?
Sure. What's your friend code? Mine is: 3694-9712-2566. (Hint, hint, for anyone else who might want to play me :))
What's your name?
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I'm Martin; i haven't seen ya in a while.
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I guess I didn't clarify that I was saying Amen to the fact that they had to make another tier to contain his awesome. Sorry about that. :-[
It's k ;)
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Thanks. ;D
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I'm Martin; i haven't seen ya in a while.
No I mean in Smash Bros.
You think I'd forget you? I'm insulted ;)
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meta knight should be banned. he completely overshadows every single character in the game. snake could possibly give him a run for his money, but a MK player will always win.
Not luigi. He doesn't fly after getting hit as easily, he has a lot of power moves, gimping recovery is very hard to do on him and he can dodge well. Also, in the span of his jump and double jump, he can pull off ALL his aerial attacks. Who else can do that (in ONE double jump, not 5, and without floating (PEACH))? He can do more when he does his 'nado move. Imagine when he's high in the air :o
Right. Meta Knight is light, and can be killed quickly, and has very little power. Meta Knight shouldn't be banned.
NotOfThisWorld66,
How come you just said AMEN to his being ban worthy? I'm just a little confused.
i've seen many top tier luigi players get owned by mk players. mk just has too many moves in his arsenal to be contained by any other character in smash.
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MK is stupid broken.
Snake has those broken tilts of his.
Falco has that chaingrab to spike. Plus SHDL spam.
D3 has that even better chaingrab.
GAW has stupid good aerials a good recovery and with Bucket Braking, he cant be killed till stupid high percentages. Like 200% -_-
ROB has a good recovery and can spam alot of moves without any punishment.
There's a new tier list coming out tomorrow. ^_^
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does it included the banned tier?
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meta knight should be banned. he completely overshadows every single character in the game. snake could possibly give him a run for his money, but a MK player will always win.
Not luigi. He doesn't fly after getting hit as easily, he has a lot of power moves, gimping recovery is very hard to do on him and he can dodge well. Also, in the span of his jump and double jump, he can pull off ALL his aerial attacks. Who else can do that (in ONE double jump, not 5, and without floating (PEACH))? He can do more when he does his 'nado move. Imagine when he's high in the air :o
Right. Meta Knight is light, and can be killed quickly, and has very little power. Meta Knight shouldn't be banned.
NotOfThisWorld66,
How come you just said AMEN to his being ban worthy? I'm just a little confused.
i've seen many top tier luigi players get owned by mk players. mk just has too many moves in his arsenal to be contained by any other character in smash.
Two things:
1) It has to have happened in reverse order
2)Apparently, none of those MK players have played me. ;)
I'm Martin; i haven't seen ya in a while.
No I mean in Smash Bros.
You think I'd forget you? I'm insulted ;)
Sry. My BRAWL NAME is 4GIVN. What's your name and friend code?
There's a new tier list coming out tomorrow. ^_^
Where could one look at these tiers lists? ???
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Where could one look at these tiers lists? ???
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=214428 (http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=214428)
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Smashboards is the equivalent of SRK forums.
Luigi is garbage lol. He can get annoying but he's simply not as good as MK, Snake, etc. Luigi cant even touch MK or Snake. He gets infinited by D3 amd forget about out-prioritizing GAW attacks. Though I think he has an even matchup against ROB and Falco. I'm not sure about the Diddy matchup. It might be 60:40 Diddy.
*sigh* i was supposed to go to a tourney tomorrow. but I'm too broke to commute, let alone enter lol. I'm prolly gonna go to a tourney next week.
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Smashboards is the equivalent of SRK forums.
Luigi is garbage lol.
Really? you should play TH3 UNF0RG1V4BL3 and see, he is craxy good ;)
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MK is stupid broken.
Snake has those broken tilts of his.
Falco has that chaingrab to spike. Plus SHDL spam.
D3 has that even better chaingrab.
GAW has stupid good aerials a good recovery and with Bucket Braking, he cant be killed till stupid high percentages. Like 200% -_-
ROB has a good recovery and can spam alot of moves without any punishment.
There's a new tier list coming out tomorrow. ^_^
forgive me of my lack of lingo, but what are tilts and who is GAW?
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Really? you should play TH3 UNF0RG1V4BL3 and see, he is craxy good ;)
Hmm.. I think the best Luigi in the world is Boss. He's definitely outclassed by the top MK players.
forgive me of my lack of lingo, but what are tilts and who is GAW?
tilts are regular ground attacks. each character has 3 tilts. up, forward, and down. Snake's tilts are EXTREMELY dijointed, have ridiculous knockback, and inflict a hefty amount of damage.
GAW is Game and Watch.
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Smashboards is the equivalent of SRK forums.
Luigi is garbage lol.
Really? you should play TH3 UNF0RG1V4BL3 and see, he is craxy good ;)
YOU SHOULD, then you'll see the awesome might of LUIGI! ;D
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Really? you should play TH3 UNF0RG1V4BL3 and see, he is craxy good ;)
Hmm.. I think the best Luigi in the world is Boss. He's definitely outclassed by the top MK players.
forgive me of my lack of lingo, but what are tilts and who is GAW?
tilts are regular ground attacks. each character has 3 tilts. up, forward, and down. Snake's tilts are EXTREMELY dijointed, have ridiculous knockback, and inflict a hefty amount of damage.
GAW is Game and Watch.
Who is Boss? is it possible to locate/play him?
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MD/VA. uhh actually I have no idea which tourneys he's planning on going to. The last big tourney was in Jersey. There's another Regional circuit event in Brooklyn next month. he might be there.
New tierlist http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=236407 (http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=236407)
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YES! My Captain Falcon finally isn't at the bottom anymore.
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MD/VA. uhh actually I have no idea which tourneys he's planning on going to. The last big tourney was in Jersey. There's another Regional circuit event in Brooklyn next month. he might be there.
New tierlist http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=236407 (http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=236407)
I like it a lot
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Kirby in the A!! w00t.
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EHH...disgusting...Luigi in the C tier under PEACH...can't believe it...It's heiracy!
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Oh yeah! MK is on the top of the S tier! Go MK! ;D ;D ;D
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Oh yeah! MK is on the top of the S tier! Go MK! ;D ;D ;D
Of course MK is completely broken and is in the process of being banned
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Where are the tiers?
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EHH...disgusting...Luigi in the C tier under PEACH...can't believe it...It's heiracy!
actually, Peach and Luigi have an even matchup, 50:50.
I guess Peach is higher due to her turnip game or her chaingrabs.
Where are the tiers?
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=236407 (http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=236407)
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you want to play later?
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uhh maybe.. I'm not sure what my plans for the day are yet.
and I dont play Sonic as much on wi-fi anymore, because i find it wrecks my tourney game with him.
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Is that tier really legit...? I can't imagine some of those guys... king dedede in the same tier as meta knight?! :o
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Is that tier really legit...? I can't imagine some of those guys... king dedede in the same tier as meta knight?! :o
D3 is pretty awesome. I noticed a lot of those people on those forms use D3 as a back up for MK, which probably effected the vote.
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D3 is REALLY good. It's all because of his grab/throws (specifically his d-throw).
His grab range is abnormally large. And his d-throw puts the opponent in a position where D3 can run forward grab AGAIN.
Just imagine [grab > d-throw > forward > grab > d-throw > forward > grab > d-throw.....]
This is called a chaingrab. Where a character grabs another character repeatedly. Chaingrabs generally cant be escaped.
D3's chaingrab works on MOST of the roster. IIRC, D3 cant chaingrab MK or Kirby. I think there are a few more characters who are immune to his chain grab.
D3 also has an above average recovery. And he has a spammable projectile.
His Cons is his size and he's easily juggled/comboed.
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you want to play later?
Sure. Maybe tomorrow; i have no plans. Any time works.
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I still need your Brawl name
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Sry. My BRAWL NAME is 4GIVN. What's your name and friend code?
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Luigi is garbage lol. He can get annoying but he's simply not as good as MK, Snake, etc. Luigi cant even touch MK or Snake. He gets infinited by D3 amd forget about out-prioritizing GAW attacks. Though I think he has an even matchup against ROB and Falco. I'm not sure about the Diddy matchup. It might be 60:40 Diddy.
*sigh* i was supposed to go to a tourney tomorrow. but I'm too broke to commute, let alone enter lol. I'm prolly gonna go to a tourney next week.
1. Luigi isn't garbage; he rocks.
2. Where and when is the tournament?
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Luigi is garbage lol. He can get annoying but he's simply not as good as MK, Snake, etc. Luigi cant even touch MK or Snake. He gets infinited by D3 amd forget about out-prioritizing GAW attacks. Though I think he has an even matchup against ROB and Falco. I'm not sure about the Diddy matchup. It might be 60:40 Diddy.
*sigh* i was supposed to go to a tourney tomorrow. but I'm too broke to commute, let alone enter lol. I'm prolly gonna go to a tourney next week.
1. Luigi isn't garbage; he rocks.
2. Where and when is the tournament?
1. Luigi isn't garbage for casual play, in a tourny you're better off picking Captain Falcon, at least then you'll get some respect
2. Cat lives on the East coast
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Captain falcon at a tourney? Have you seen the tiers? Why does everyone say luigi is trash? I don't see how.
JSB, still wanna play? :) Again my brawl name is 4GIVN.
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yes, my info is
JSB23
Nickname: JSB23
Friend Code: 2492-6850-5709
I'll add you in a sec
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Captain falcon at a tourney? Have you seen the tiers?
JSB means neither Luigi nor Captain Falcon should be used for a tournament, but if you choose Falcon you'll atleast get a little respect for picking a bottom tier character.
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lol Falcon is worse than Luigi by far. His match up with MK is like 90:10. lol
The only real tourney viable characters are the top tier (S tier and A tier).
Luigi's decent but but not good enough.
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um... my wii keeps seeking and seeking and seeking... how long does it take to find somebody?!
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What is D3? And how do you do an infinite grab with king dedede? Can I get a link to this?
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D3 is short for DeDeDe lol.
chaingrab?
lol it's easy. just d-throw. regrab. repeat.
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lol it's easy. just d-throw. regrab. repeat.
not as easy as it sounds. I tried it today...
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you probably shouldnt waste your time learning how to chaingrab...infinite cape is far more broken.
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lol i promise you it's easy. like there's no learning part. it's just doing it.
infinite cape. lol. it's banned. cg isnt banned.
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infinate cape? what's that do?
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I don't get it: what's so bad about luigi? He isn't as fast as meta knight, but he is fast and he has lots more power. Get MK at up to about 45%, then you just punch and uppercut him to heaven. :angel: I'm also confused as to how he's in a lower tier than D3; his attacks are slow, but he can chain grab with long range. That's about it.
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lol i promise you it's easy. like there's no learning part. it's just doing it.
infinite cape. lol. it's banned. cg isnt banned.
did ring wraith specify if hes playing tournaments or local/online?
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I don't get it: what's so bad about luigi? He isn't as fast as meta knight, but he is fast and he has lots more power. Get MK at up to about 45%, then you just punch and uppercut him to heaven. :angel: I'm also confused as to how he's in a lower tier than D3; his attacks are slow, but he can chain grab with long range. That's about it.
D3's chain grabs are amazingly good because he can chain grab any body except MK and Kirby I think,
Re-read the bolded section again
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Can someone tell me what infinite cape does?
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I think they're talking about the down-b Meta Knight glitch, but I'm not sure on the correct term.
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Unforgivable, if MK is faster, than how do you intend on LANDING said "kill moves"? GG.
Trust me, you'll NEVER land his up-b on any competent MK.
Yeah it's the glitch. All you have to do is down-b then mash up on the c-stick.
it's pretty hard to do for extended amounts of time.
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And what does that do exactly?
EDIT: I went and watched a vid on youtube. But how does that help you kill your opponent...?
And can someone tell me some other awesome "combos" that you can use with the following characters:
lucario
D3
Meta Knight
Diddy Kong
Falco
Ganandorf
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I've been using Wolf alot, is Falco a smarter choice with an easy transition since their moves are practically the same?
Wolf is so much fun, he's a freakin' wolf.
Snake
Marth
Ike
Wolf
what should be my fifth guy? I've been trying to work with D3 and MK... not that good yet. and I've used Pit some, but I've started to think that he's too weak.
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Most people will hate you for playing MK and chain grabbing with D3 but MK is definitely the best choice
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Unforgivable, if MK is faster, than how do you intend on LANDING said "kill moves"? GG.
Trust me, you'll NEVER land his up-b on any competent MK.
Yeah it's the glitch. All you have to do is down-b then mash up on the c-stick.
it's pretty hard to do for extended amounts of time.
In speed, i mean attacking speed. In the air, however, luigi is faster. In the span of his jump and ONE double jump, he can pull off all 5 air attacks (MK can't.) He can evade and roll just as fast. Luigi, like MK, is good at getting people to high percents quickly. A skilled Luigi player could land a "kill-move" right when an MK gets done with a roll to the side; it isn't too hard. It would take lots of GREAT timing to do an up-b, but it's possible. It can be done on the ground or in the air sometimes gets the job done too; air is harder. I've done both on many occasions. Giggity.
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In speed, i mean attacking speed. In the air, however, luigi is faster. In the span of his jump and ONE double jump, he can pull off all 5 air attacks (MK can't.) He can evade and roll just as fast. Luigi, like MK, is good at getting people to high percents quickly. A skilled Luigi player could land a "kill-move" right when an MK gets done with a roll to the side; it isn't too hard. It would take lots of GREAT timing to do an up-b, but it's possible. It can be done on the ground or in the air sometimes gets the job done too; air is harder. I've done both on many occasions. Giggity.
LOLWUT?
MK's Dair and U-air are the faster than any of Luigi's aerials.
MK can u-air THREE TIMES in ONE SHORT HOP. Imagine how many times he can do it with a FULL jump and a double jump.
I've played pros. I'm among the top 15 Sonics in this country. I've seen many games between the best of the best.
Luigi's problem against MK is killing. an MK that perfectly spaces his attacks will simply win this matchup. MK has more range, more speed, better recovery, and more kill moves than Luigi.
I've been using Wolf alot, is Falco a smarter choice with an easy transition since their moves are practically the same?
Wolf is so much fun, he's a freakin' wolf.
Snake
Marth
Ike
Wolf
what should be my fifth guy? I've been trying to work with D3 and MK... not that good yet. and I've used Pit some, but I've started to think that he's too weak.
Falco is completely different. Their specials might lool SIMILAR, but their movesets are wayyyyyyy different.
Dont use Pit. He's garbs. I say go with MK.
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You're really one of the top thirteen in the country? I'd really like to get beat by you, I mean play you. Unfortunately I can't get internet on the wii... :-*
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wi-fi is regarded as joke in the tourney scene. Lag lets you get away with ANYTHING online. It's so hard to punish online.
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I'm pretty sure you'd still be able to beat me. ;)
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In speed, i mean attacking speed. In the air, however, luigi is faster. In the span of his jump and ONE double jump, he can pull off all 5 air attacks (MK can't.) He can evade and roll just as fast. Luigi, like MK, is good at getting people to high percents quickly. A skilled Luigi player could land a "kill-move" right when an MK gets done with a roll to the side; it isn't too hard. It would take lots of GREAT timing to do an up-b, but it's possible. It can be done on the ground or in the air sometimes gets the job done too; air is harder. I've done both on many occasions. Giggity.
LOLWUT?
MK's Dair and U-air are the faster than any of Luigi's aerials.
MK can u-air THREE TIMES in ONE SHORT HOP. Imagine how many times he can do it with a FULL jump and a double jump.
I've played pros. I'm among the top 15 Sonics in this country. I've seen many games between the best of the best.
Luigi's problem against MK is killing. an MK that perfectly spaces his attacks will simply win this matchup. MK has more range, more speed, better recovery, and more kill moves than Luigi.
GIGGITY GIGGITY WHAT??
More kill moves than Luigi? I'm not completely sure if you're serious, 'cause he DOESN'T. Luigi, hands down, has more power than MK.
As for speed, his air attacks may be faster, but he can't pull them off in chains as quickly. I mean, w/MK, if an opponent dodges his primary air attack, it may be too late by then; MK might get hit. This may not happen all the time, but lots of the time, it happens. With Luigi, if he misses, he can do another move by the time they get done dodging, and without giving them a chance to dodge again. You said he can do MK's u-air 3x is one hop, well what about everything else? Can he do his forward-a 3x in a jump? No, but Luigi can. Same with his down-a.
As for recovery, I must say MK's is a little better. I say that because, when combining the double jump, the down-b and the Luigi missile (rarely with a boost), Luigi can survive almost any situation. MK does have better range, but not by too much.
Please keep in mind that i don't mean any of this in a bad way. :)
wi-fi is regarded as joke in the tourney scene. Lag lets you get away with ANYTHING online. It's so hard to punish online.
It'd be cool to play you some time, but the lag on my wii is AMAZINGLY HORRIBLE!
How'd you figure out you were among the top 15 sonics in the US? That's tight! :thumbup: Where could one figure out that kind of thing?
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That is one of the funniest things I've read all week
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How's that funny?
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GIGGITY GIGGITY WHAT??
More kill moves than Luigi? I'm not completely sure if you're serious, 'cause he DOESN'T. Luigi, hands down, has more power than MK.
As for speed, his air attacks may be faster, but he can't pull them off in chains as quickly. I mean, w/MK, if an opponent dodges his primary air attack, it may be too late by then; MK might get hit. This may not happen all the time, but lots of the time, it happens. With Luigi, if he misses, he can do another move by the time they get done dodging, and without giving them a chance to dodge again. You said he can do MK's u-air 3x is one hop, well what about everything else? Can he do his forward-a 3x in a jump? No, but Luigi can. Same with his down-a.
As for recovery, I must say MK's is a little better. I say that because, when combining the double jump, the down-b and the Luigi missile (rarely with a boost), Luigi can survive almost any situation. MK does have better range, but not by too much.
Please keep in mind that i don't mean any of this in a bad way. :)
Luigi has f-smash and up-b. MK has d-smash, f-smash, up-b AND glide attack.
If MK misses an attack he WILL hit with another one. That's how fast he is.
Luigi can do all of that in a full jump + the double jump. MK can do it in one short hop.
I'm gonna say up front that Luigi's recovery is one of his weaknesses. It's horrible. Really easy to intercept. MK on the other hand has over 9000 ways to recover safely ( and trust me HE WILL).
and it's all good, I like a good debate :)
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I still haven't seen anyone good enough with MK to realize how good he is... and even I know MK would pwn luigi. ;D
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Luigi has f-smash and up-b. MK has d-smash, f-smash, up-b AND glide attack.
If MK misses an attack he WILL hit with another one. That's how fast he is.
Luigi can do all of that in a full jump + the double jump. MK can do it in one short hop.
I'm gonna say up front that Luigi's recovery is one of his weaknesses. It's horrible. Really easy to intercept. MK on the other hand has over 9000 ways to recover safely ( and trust me HE WILL).
and it's all good, I like a good debate :)
Luigi, for kill moves, has u-smash, f-smash, d-smash, up-b and at higher percentages, a in the air.
Luigi doesn't even have to worry about hitting again (sometimes twice) if he misses. MK's moves (particularly the f-a and back-a, the majorly used air attacks) usually send them out of reach for another hit. Maybe not the up-a and down-a. Lu's midair forward-a, back-a and up-a don't always send people too far (unless at hi%), giving him a chance to get another hit in and raise damage quicker.
When you say "MK can do it in one short hop" are you talking about all 5 air attacks? Because he can't do them in one hop or a jump and double jump.
1. He doesn't get lots of air on his first jump (unlike Luigi)
2. Forward-a and back-a in the air take too long to execute to do all 5 quickly.
Luigi's recovery is not at a weakness; it's amazing. The double jump and 'nado alone get him on the stage almost every time. If it gets intercepted, he just does the missile move back on stage. It's fun to run into people when ya get that rare boost. ;D
I still haven't seen anyone good enough with MK to realize how good he is... and even I know MK would pwn luigi. ;D
I'm not saying one is better than the other, i'm just trying to show people he isn't horrible and has LOTS of potential (and that he's in the wrong tier.) I do agree; MK is a very amazing character, one of the best. I'm saying Luigi also is a really great character. I'm not saying he'd totally OWN MK or anything like that, though it could happen; ya never know.
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*sigh* Unforgivable, you need to play a pro MK with your Luigi. That would probably solve everything.
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Thad'd be fun :laugh: I just don't know where to find one. ???
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I'm not saying one is better than the other, i'm just trying to show people he isn't horrible and has LOTS of potential (and that he's in the wrong tier.) I do agree; MK is a very amazing character, one of the best. I'm saying Luigi also is a really great character. I'm not saying he'd totally OWN MK or anything like that, though it could happen; ya never know.
Every character has their strengths and weaknesses. If you only emphasize on the strengths and ignore the weaknesses it will seem like that character is one of the better ones.
Things you haven't mentioned about Luigi:
-He has trouble against campers (not as bad as some characters, at least)
-His recovery suffers. (His side-b and the tornado things are easy to predict and even easier to stop)
-He has a terrible projectile. Its better than not having one, but every other projectile in the game is better imo...
-He is very non-maneuverable in the air, even though he has lots of great aerials.
-He has terrible range.
++++++++++ lots more stuff.
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Luigi, for kill moves, has u-smash, f-smash, d-smash, up-b and at higher percentages, a in the air.
Luigi doesn't even have to worry about hitting again (sometimes twice) if he misses. MK's moves (particularly the f-a and back-a, the majorly used air attacks) usually send them out of reach for another hit. Maybe not the up-a and down-a. Lu's midair forward-a, back-a and up-a don't always send people too far (unless at hi%), giving him a chance to get another hit in and raise damage quicker.
When you say "MK can do it in one short hop" are you talking about all 5 air attacks? Because he can't do them in one hop or a jump and double jump.
1. He doesn't get lots of air on his first jump (unlike Luigi)
2. Forward-a and back-a in the air take too long to execute to do all 5 quickly.
Luigi's recovery is not at a weakness; it's amazing. The double jump and 'nado alone get him on the stage almost every time. If it gets intercepted, he just does the missile move back on stage. It's fun to run into people when ya get that rare boost. ;D
I still haven't seen anyone good enough with MK to realize how good he is... and even I know MK would pwn luigi. ;D
I'm not saying one is better than the other, i'm just trying to show people he isn't horrible and has LOTS of potential (and that he's in the wrong tier.) I do agree; MK is a very amazing character, one of the best. I'm saying Luigi also is a really great character. I'm not saying he'd totally OWN MK or anything like that, though it could happen; ya never know.
d-smash certainly does NOT kill, till ridiculously high damage it doesnt.
1 short hop is shorter than 1 full jump. to short hop, lightly press the jump button.
Luigi's recovery is GARBAGE. lol. IT'S ALL TO EASY TO INTERCEPT.
MK's moves chain perfectly into other moves. u-air can lead into a plethora of other moves.
I've been to loads of tourneys. Luigi's tourney results are not impressive at all.
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=165954 (http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=165954)
^^^ This thread is another kind of ranking list. It's based solely on tournament results.
Luigi doesnt look tourney viable at all.
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ok, I think I'll make Marth my main, followed by Snake, with MK as my trainee. Wolf doesn't seem to be viable enough according to rankings, but I'll keep him for fun.
oh Marth, I miss the Melee glory days.
also, Mr. Hat, what's your best rank in a tournament? and who are you on the smash boards?
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I'm getting back into brawl now, and decided to drop Sheik. I'll keep Kirby as my main, and I'm looking into a second..has anyone played online in awhile?
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Or maybe not..methinks I'll do Zamus, Sheik, and Kirby..then narrow it down to two, and then keep someone for fun.
Maybe um, Fox for fun. Or D3 as my man to be..meh. So many options.
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d-smash certainly does NOT kill, till ridiculously high damage it doesnt.
1 short hop is shorter than 1 full jump. to short hop, lightly press the jump button.
Luigi's recovery is GARBAGE. lol. IT'S ALL TO EASY TO INTERCEPT.
MK's moves chain perfectly into other moves. u-air can lead into a plethora of other moves.
I've been to loads of tourneys. Luigi's tourney results are not impressive at all.
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=165954 (http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=165954)
^^^ This thread is another kind of ranking list. It's based solely on tournament results.
Luigi doesnt look tourney viable at all.
D-smash can kill someone at about 100-115%; it's high but not ridiculously (145%) high. Even still, without d-smash, that's more kill moves than MK.
I know the difference between a jump and a short hop and how to do both.
His recovery is better than most and isn't CRAP. People don't usually intercept me; i'm usually too far out for them to intercept and get back.
Luigi's mover chain excellently into other moves as well. Luigi's a-air can lead very smoothly into other moves.
There's a series of tourneys next week; they'll be my first. I'll tell ya how they go. :)
For anyone who wants to go (if you can), the info is here: http://minneapolis.craigslist.org/eve/1162853794.html (http://minneapolis.craigslist.org/eve/1162853794.html)
Every character has their strengths and weaknesses. If you only emphasize on the strengths and ignore the weaknesses it will seem like that character is one of the better ones.
Things you haven't mentioned about Luigi:
-He has trouble against campers (not as bad as some characters, at least)
-His recovery suffers. (His side-b and the tornado things are easy to predict and even easier to stop)
-He has a terrible projectile. Its better than not having one, but every other projectile in the game is better imo...
-He is very non-maneuverable in the air, even though he has lots of great aerials.
-He has terrible range.
++++++++++ lots more stuff.
It's better than most; most characters don't have projectiles. But most of those w/projectiles have better ones than Luigi. Most except for Peach (she has to pull hers from the ground) and mario (they're the same). :P
So what if he isn't too maneuverable? If you can dodge the attacks, then why should maneuverability matter?
Same with range. If he can hit and kill opponents quickly, then range should be irrelevant. I used to play w/Ike, the man with, like the largest range, and i thought the same thing.
What about MK? you said nothing about him and he has weaknesses; no character's absolutely perfect.
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Anyone want to play?
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Sure; i'd like to. You have all my info, cept online is really laggy and doesn't show one's true potential. Like, if i was at your house playing, it would be easier. Wanna play now? :)
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It's better than most; most characters don't have projectiles. But most of those w/projectiles have better ones than Luigi. Most except for Peach (she has to pull hers from the ground) and mario (they're the same). :P
So what if he isn't too maneuverable? If you can dodge the attacks, then why should maneuverability matter?
Same with range. If he can hit and kill opponents quickly, then range should be irrelevant. I used to play w/Ike, the man with, like the largest range, and i thought the same thing.
What about MK? you said nothing about him and he has weaknesses; no character's absolutely perfect.
Actually, the majority of characters DO have projectiles (70% do, infact. I just checked :P). I find Peaches turnip better, and Mario and Luigi have very different fireballs. Mario's > Luigi.
.... Maneuverability in the air is VERY important for an aerial fighting like Luigi. It directly correlates to dodging attacks, therefore your statement is contradictory.
Again, that doesn't make sense. Range will help you land said hits; if he had a higher range he would land more and they would have a higher accuracy.
I agree no character is perfect, but Meta Knight has tons of advantages (speed, priority, recovery, +++ lots more) and few disadvantages (Lack of KO, no projectiles, and hes light + maybe a few others). Luigi has few advantages, and many disadvantages.
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How many times will people get this wrong? MK has a lot of KO potential
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Actually, the majority of characters DO have projectiles (70% do, infact. I just checked :P). I find Peaches turnip better, and Mario and Luigi have very different fireballs. Mario's > Luigi.
.... Maneuverability in the air is VERY important for an aerial fighting like Luigi. It directly correlates to dodging attacks, therefore your statement is contradictory.
Again, that doesn't make sense. Range will help you land said hits; if he had a higher range he would land more and they would have a higher accuracy.
I agree no character is perfect, but Meta Knight has tons of advantages (speed, priority, recovery, +++ lots more) and few disadvantages (Lack of KO, no projectiles, and hes light + maybe a few others). Luigi has few advantages, and many disadvantages.
How are Mario's fireballs better? Well, whatever; it isn't a big deal. I don't really use fireballs too much anyway. And my bad about the "majority of people thing;" I sorta assumed most didn't, when actually, most did. :P
Rawrlolsauce, you just stated his not too many -'s and lots more +'s; I agree.
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Well the tourney's today. I'm not sure If I'm entering though, I'm only going to meet up with some smash friends. But I'll let you guys know if I enter. I'm gonna go all Sonic (suicide, lol)
Tink makes the best use of his projectiles, imo.
and JSB has the right idea. Getting the KO is NOT a problem for MK.
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Cat, I mean no insult to Sonic, but what about him makes you want to play with him? I'm just wondering.
TheHobbit, i was reading over this email i got from the guy who (i think) is hosting the tourney Tuesday, and it said "Players only, no guests. Sorry." After i read that, i was saddened that you wouldn't be able to be there, unless you join in on the action. :'(
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Do you know what kind of controllers we can use?
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Okay... I must really miss how you can be competitive with Wario... can he chain grab or something?
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Do you know what kind of controllers we can use?
Wii remote/nunchuka or gamecube controller, or classic controllr if you want(whatever that is).
Just in case you may want to know, the match rules are:
no items
random levels unless agreed on by players
no time limit
stock (based on round) 2-4
4 player single elimination for rounds 1-2, 2 player single elimination for semi-finals, finals and championship
Okay... I must really miss how you can be competitive with Wario... can he chain grab or something?
He has more than enough kill moves, he's SUPER maneuverable in the air, he has good recovery, he has good aerial attacks and, attack-wise, he's quite a spontaneous character.
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wow eww @ those rules. 4 player is whackkk. no time limit is garb as well.
I didnt do so hot in that tourney. Doesnt matter to me though, I was really only there to hang out. Regardless, I had a blast.
Wario can gay alot of characters out of his grab release. He has crazy aerial control. He has maddd priority on all of his attacks. And his recovery is pretty good.
I use Sonic because I'm already good with him lol. I only play Brawl because of Sonic. The other characters bore me. If it wasnt for Sonic, I'd still be playing Melee, which is WAYYYY more fun.
Gamecube controllers are the best for smash, no contest.
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Why do you like melee more? I think melee is pretty sketchy...
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Why do you like melee more? I think melee is pretty sketchy...
Melee is MUCH better. It takes skill, and you can haz some mad combos :3 (It is a lot less luck than brawl, too)
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How is brawl luck?
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Brawl has luck elements to it (tripping).
Melee is overall more fun to play. It's faster paced, and ATs make the game really deep.
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Melee is amazing, I think I'll pick it back up once I get good at brawl. I could beat a level nine with almost any given guy... I got bored though, my Marth was killer, but I needed more living competition.
now I probably suck at Melee... 8 long months without it.
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I never liked melee. I thought the original one was classic, melee was just okay, and brawl was a legitimate game. Yes, I hate tripping... but I like falling slower so that you can have full on battle in the air before you even leave the ground.
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hmm...
actually Melee is really aerial based. Shuffling aerial attacks is a staple for any character.
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hmm...
actually Melee is really aerial based. Shuffling aerial attacks is a staple for any character.
who did you use in Melee?
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I used Falco and Marth.
Now I use Falco, Falcon and Fox. a Little bit of Sheik here or there.
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Okay... I will play for hours with MK and I still suck with him. I understand all the other S rank characters... I still can't find out how he is almost ban worthy... I can get good with any other character... just not him. Any tips on how to pwn with him?
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SPAM is not tasty
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Can you explain how to spam with him?
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I am a MK fan, so I will respond-Meta Knight is very quick. His combo strikes should be used frequently to build damage. Also, use the Mach Tornado often. This is a very good damage builder as well. His recovery is second to none, so as long as you know how to use Glide well, you can surely get back to the stage. Use the Teleport move for surprise attacks on opponents. It slows you down, so don't use it that much. He is very good on the ground as he is much more mobile there than in the air. Try to keep the action ground-based as much as possible. If the opponent is trying to recover, fly out and hit them again with a sword combo. You can gimp other players very well with his amazing recovery. But be mindful that he is very light and easy to KO, and make sure not to use Metal Boxes, as they make MK too heavy for his wings to lift him, and therefore he has no recovery. Above all, strike quickly! For that is the essence of Meta Knight.
Regards,
Eddy
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I am a MK fan, so I will respond-Meta Knight is very quick. His combo strikes should be used frequently to build damage. Also, use the Mach Tornado often. This is a very good damage builder as well. His recovery is second to none, so as long as you know how to use Glide well, you can surely get back to the stage. Use the Teleport move for surprise attacks on opponents. It slows you down, so don't use it that much. He is very good on the ground as he is much more mobile there than in the air. Try to keep the action ground-based as much as possible. If the opponent is trying to recover, fly out and hit them again with a sword combo. You can gimp other players very well with his amazing recovery. But be mindful that he is very light and easy to KO, and make sure not to use Metal Boxes, as they make MK too heavy for his wings to lift him, and therefore he has no recovery. Above all, strike quickly! For that is the essence of Meta Knight.
Things I dont agree with:
- "metal box". yeah... items are a no-no.
- Sonic's recovery is better BY FAR. But yeah MK's is definitely up there.
- MK's game should be evenly spread between the air and the ground. MK is really good when it comes to juggling. His aerials are insanely good.
- tornado is good, but overusing it can get you punished BAD. use it every now and then.
- his teleport is good for mindgaming every now and then, but the post lag after it is enough to get you punished for using it. USE SPARINGLY. i mean like once a set, not 5 times a match.
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Okay... but I'm being quick... always attacking... and I still am better with almost every character. :dunno:
And what exactly is gimping? It sounds shady... ::)
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Gimping is when you niturrupt the recovery of a character causing them to fall and die
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Oh.... I hate it when that happens to me. I'm not very good at gimping... I am pretty good at the down+a moves that hit people down. ;D
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I agree, use the Teleport sparingly. MK should be somewhat balanced on the ground and in the air. Be careful you don't run out of jumps in the air. Be fluent in your attacks-don't just go after the opponent, but mix attack and defense. So be careful!
Regards,
Eddy
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http://comic.legendaryfrog.com/?comic=13 (http://comic.legendaryfrog.com/?comic=13)
I love items, I love wario ware, and I love lower tier characters.
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I just had to share this epic match we had at the MN state tournament.
It was teams -- Austin vs. Noobs (cities). The Austin team included Ring Wraith (Wolf) and myself (Marth) and the Noobs (Cities) were comprised of JSB (Snake) and The Unforgiving (The Green Italian).
Austin starts out slow, we each had 100 damage whereas the cities had about 30 damage each. Ring Wraith was the first one to die and I followed shortly after. We were had a massive deficit, we were being destroyed while they laughed. We started making a small comeback, and I was angering them. I was constantly being hit back and forth, almost dying but always dodging their gimp attempts and surviving. They didn't KO me till 200%+ damage. They proved too much for my nooby partner. We were able to KO each player from the cities once, but Ring Wraith lost his last life shortly after. The combined efforts of JSB and Unforgiving easily KO'd me, and things looked dim for the great city of Austin. So, at this point the game looks like this
Austin Team
Myself - Marth - 2 Lives Left, apprx 30% damage.
Ring Wraith - Wolf - 0 Lives Left
Cities Team
JSB - Snake - 2 Lives Left, apprx 80 damage
Unforgiving - luigi - 2 Lives Left - apprx 80 damage.
I was able to gimp JSB after a small aerial combo which brought him down to one life, but his partner still was tagging on damage. Here is where it gets epic: I'm hanging on the ledge, and the cities team is trying to keep me off the stage. I have trouble getting on, but I manage with some fancy finger work (but I still stay near the edge, it was my only chance). I'm able to KO Luigi once at this time, so each of us have 1 life. I'm at about 70% damage, they're both under 15% damage. JSB messes up his spacing so I'm able to grab him and throw him over. He attempts to recover, BUT I LAND A PERFECT METEOR SMASH WHICH HE COULD NOT RECOVER FROM; HE DIED AT AROUND 20% DAMAGE.
This leaves this a 1v1 match, my 70% damage Marth vs. Unforgiving's Low percent damage Luigi1. I'm able to pull off some fair aerials, and I keep him off the stage. I didn't really try to gimp him, I was simply racking up damage. It seemed he had trouble hitting me, so my plan seemed to be working. The gap was closing, I was at maybe 150% damage and he was at about 130%. I start up another combo, beginning it with an upward throw followed by a side aerial that knocks him quite a bit off the stage. I jump off the stage to try and gimp him, but I press the wrong button and he was able to recover (If I hit it, chances are he would have died). The ending isn't as exciting -- I miss a smash attack so he gets one in and kills me.
I think team Austin did pretty good considering I haven't played Brawl in 6 months or so and Ring Wraith is a total noob who is terrible at Brawl and died faster than a level 3 computer would have, it is his fault I lost2 has only been playing for a month.
1We played 1v1 earlier in the day and he destroyed me. Instead of doing the honorable thing and claiming he was better, I'm going to blame it on the stage. I NEED Marth's aerials and I had trouble short hopping on Final Destination. I made a schweet comeback on my favorite stage, Battlefield. I think I could own him on battle field, but defiantly not FD until I get my skillz back up (I haven't played for about 6 months.... so I wasn't very good)
2Haha, just kidding. Your ATLEAST a level 5 computer.
On an unrelated side note: Go Austin. Scott rep-re-sen-TED.
On a related note: GET READY FOR REGIONALS. I WILL FIND MY COPY OF BRAWL AND PRACTICE MY EPIC 7 HIT THROW-AERIAL-GROUND-AERIAL COMBO I USE TO HAVE MASTERED.
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I was the luigi in the game. You've got to be kidding me; AT LEAST A LEVEL 5?? Frankly, that's ridiculous. And the stage shouldn't matter; if your aerials are so good, you should be able to own on whatever stage. But still, Luigi's aerials are so much better. I'm pretty sure you can't beat me, with your long-lost skills or not. :(
I just had to share this epic match we had at the MN state tournament.
It was teams -- Austin vs. Noobs (cities). The Austin team included Ring Wraith (Wolf) and myself (Marth) and the Noobs (Cities) were comprised of JSB (Snake) and The Unforgiving (The Green Italian).
Austin starts out slow, we each had 100 damage whereas the cities had about 30 damage each. Ring Wraith was the first one to die and I followed shortly after. We were had a massive deficit, we were being destroyed while they laughed. We started making a small comeback, and I was angering them. I was constantly being hit back and forth, almost dying but always dodging their gimp attempts and surviving. They didn't KO me till 200%+ damage. They proved too much for my nooby partner. We were able to KO each player from the cities once, but Ring Wraith lost his last life shortly after. The combined efforts of JSB and Unforgiving easily KO'd me, and things looked dim for the great city of Austin. So, at this point the game looks like this
Austin Team
Myself - Marth - 2 Lives Left, apprx 30% damage.
Ring Wraith - Wolf - 0 Lives Left
Cities Team
JSB - Snake - 2 Lives Left, apprx 80 damage
Unforgiving - luigi - 2 Lives Left - apprx 80 damage.
I was able to gimp JSB after a small aerial combo which brought him down to one life, but his partner still was tagging on damage. Here is where it gets epic: I'm hanging on the ledge, and the cities team is trying to keep me off the stage. I have trouble getting on, but I manage with some fancy finger work (but I still stay near the edge, it was my only chance). I'm able to KO Luigi once at this time, so each of us have 1 life. I'm at about 70% damage, they're both under 15% damage. JSB messes up his spacing so I'm able to grab him and throw him over. He attempts to recover, BUT I LAND A PERFECT METEOR SMASH WHICH HE COULD NOT RECOVER FROM; HE DIED AT AROUND 20% DAMAGE.
This leaves this a 1v1 match, my 70% damage Marth vs. Unforgiving's Low percent damage Luigi1. I'm able to pull off some fair aerials, and I keep him off the stage. I didn't really try to gimp him, I was simply racking up damage. It seemed he had trouble hitting me, so my plan seemed to be working. The gap was closing, I was at maybe 150% damage and he was at about 130%. I start up another combo, beginning it with an upward throw followed by a side aerial that knocks him quite a bit off the stage. I jump off the stage to try and gimp him, but I press the wrong button and he was able to recover (If I hit it, chances are he would have died). The ending isn't as exciting -- I miss a smash attack so he gets one in and kills me.
I think team Austin did pretty good considering I haven't played Brawl in 6 months or so and Ring Wraith is a total noob who is terrible at Brawl and died faster than a level 3 computer would have, it is his fault I lost2 has only been playing for a month.
1We played 1v1 earlier in the day and he destroyed me. Instead of doing the honorable thing and claiming he was better, I'm going to blame it on the stage. I NEED Marth's aerials and I had trouble short hopping on Final Destination. I made a schweet comeback on my favorite stage, Battlefield. I think I could own him on battle field, but defiantly not FD until I get my skillz back up (I haven't played for about 6 months.... so I wasn't very good)
2Haha, just kidding. Your ATLEAST a level 5 computer.
On an unrelated side note: Go Austin. Scott rep-re-sen-TED.
On a related note: GET READY FOR REGIONALS. I WILL FIND MY COPY OF BRAWL AND PRACTICE MY EPIC 7 HIT THROW-AERIAL-GROUND-AERIAL COMBO I USE TO HAVE MASTERED.
You made the match seem like you were better and that our winning was a fluke; it wasn't so. I lightened up a bit later on, but when it got a little more tense, i tensed up as well. I had 4 out of 6 kills; i wasn't really worried. :-\
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I was the luigi in the game. You've got to be kidding me; AT LEAST A LEVEL 5?? Frankly, that's ridiculous. And the stage shouldn't matter; if your aerials are so good, you should be able to own on whatever stage. But still, Luigi's aerials are so much better. I'm pretty sure you can't beat me, with your long-lost skills or not. :(
sweet, I may not be so horrible!
Luigi should be upper B tier.
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yeah wolf is just garb.
trust me. all of the characters above Luigi deserve to be up there.
i think Falco should be a bit lower.
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I was the luigi in the game. You've got to be kidding me; AT LEAST A LEVEL 5?? Frankly, that's ridiculous.
"Yeah, I still have trouble beating a level 9 computer." - Ring Wraith
The fact is my partner didn't have as much expirence as yours. Comparing him to a computer was sarcasm.
And the stage shouldn't matter; if your aerials are so good, you should be able to own on whatever stage. But still, Luigi's aerials are so much better. I'm pretty sure you can't beat me, with your long-lost skills or not. :(
There are two points I want to make on this quote. 1.) If you noticed, I was having trouble short hopping because I haven't played forever. That forced my Marth to fight on the ground while you were on the stage, which means I wasn't able to KO you until 200%+ damage. Battlefield let me use my aerials because of the playforms, and I got more KO's than you did there. Even when it was 2v1 I got 3 KO's (and the 4th could have gone either way) before you could get 1. Yep, you defiantly won that.
2.) The "I'm pretty sure you can't beat me" is both stupid, wrong, and uncalled for. It is stupid due to the fact that isinuates (I spelled that wrong I bet. I'm on a slow computer that won't let me open a spell check and this computer doesn't have firefox) that once someone beats a player, said winner is always better. Which means Ken is ALWAYS going to be the best on melee and PC Chris is ALWAYS going to be the best brawler. It is wrong because, to be honest, you got destroyed when I was able to use my aerial attacks. If you noticed, my aerial gameplay dominated yours (I'm not trying to offend you, but you landed maybe 5 hits in the air. You missed every gimp attempt).
You made the match seem like you were better and that our winning was a fluke; it wasn't so. I lightened up a bit later on, but when it got a little more tense, i tensed up as well. I had 4 out of 6 kills; i wasn't really worried. :-\
I simply described the match from my memory. I'm not trying to be arrogant or increase my already massive narcisistic personality, but the fact is I got 4 KO's and Ring Wraith got 1. Most of all, KO's aren't a fair measurement of skill. Lets say a pro is having a match with 3 good regular players (who are on a team). Chances are 1 player on the team will get atleast 2 KO's, but the pro player most likely will only get one because 3 people can easily overpower one. Does that mean the regular player is better than the pro?
I guess I'll leave this thread now. I don't want to start a flame war.
I know this reply seemed like I was trying to start one, but I was simply wanting to defend my points.
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yeah wolf is just garb.
trust me. all of the characters above Luigi deserve to be up there.
i think Falco should be a bit lower.
I will remind you that wolf is higher on the tier list compared to sonic, and for a group brawl, he isn't as bad. I got destroyed in 1-on-1's. I'm also did some with Ike. he's garbage, but can be used effectively, it's just difficult.
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looking for a game. please be nice though :)
anybody know how to do wifi brawl normally? it keeps seeking and seeking... but nothing ever happens.
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When did I ever say Sonic was better?
My character is garbage, and I have no problem admitting that. He's too high on the list as it is. He should've stayed low tier.
Though, I will agree that Wolf has his pros in FFAs./
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When did I ever say Sonic was better?
My character is garbage, and I have no problem admitting that. He's too high on the list as it is. He should've stayed low tier.
Though, I will agree that Wolf has his pros in FFAs./
FFAs?
haha, ok, just not used to people dissing their character.
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Lets say a pro is having a match with 3 good regular players (who are on a team). Chances are 1 player on the team will get atleast 2 KO's, but the pro player most likely will only get one because 3 people can easily overpower one. Does that mean the regular player is better than the pro?
I'm pretty sure that this is false. The pro player would have way more kills, but he would lose in the end. Actually... if you're playing time, the pro would almost always win, imo.
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Lets say a pro is having a match with 3 good regular players (who are on a team). Chances are 1 player on the team will get atleast 2 KO's, but the pro player most likely will only get one because 3 people can easily overpower one. Does that mean the regular player is better than the pro?
I'm pretty sure that this is false. The pro player would have way more kills, but he would lose in the end. Actually... if you're playing time, the pro would almost always win, imo.
If the 3 know what they're doing, it isn't really hard to dominate 1 person. If they grab, the two others can do full powered smash attacks. The one person can't probably do any smash attacks, and they'll struggle getting hits period because of the other two.
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well the pro wouldnt be playing 3 people in the first place.
pros dont play FFAs.
singles and doubles. that's it.
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And the stage shouldn't matter; if your aerials are so good, you should be able to own on whatever stage. But still, Luigi's aerials are so much better. I'm pretty sure you can't beat me, with your long-lost skills or not. :(
There are two points I want to make on this quote. 1.) If you noticed, I was having trouble short hopping because I haven't played forever. That forced my Marth to fight on the ground while you were on the stage, which means I wasn't able to KO you until 200%+ damage. Battlefield let me use my aerials because of the playforms, and I got more KO's than you did there. Even when it was 2v1 I got 3 KO's (and the 4th could have gone either way) before you could get 1. Yep, you defiantly won that.
2.) The "I'm pretty sure you can't beat me" is both stupid, wrong, and uncalled for. It is stupid due to the fact that isinuates (I spelled that wrong I bet. I'm on a slow computer that won't let me open a spell check and this computer doesn't have firefox) that once someone beats a player, said winner is always better. Which means Ken is ALWAYS going to be the best on melee and PC Chris is ALWAYS going to be the best brawler. It is wrong because, to be honest, you got destroyed when I was able to use my aerial attacks. If you noticed, my aerial gameplay dominated yours (I'm not trying to offend you, but you landed maybe 5 hits in the air. You missed every gimp attempt).
You made the match seem like you were better and that our winning was a fluke; it wasn't so. I lightened up a bit later on, but when it got a little more tense, i tensed up as well. I had 4 out of 6 kills; i wasn't really worried. :-\
I simply described the match from my memory. I'm not trying to be arrogant or increase my already massive narcisistic personality, but the fact is I got 4 KO's and Ring Wraith got 1. Most of all, KO's aren't a fair measurement of skill. Lets say a pro is having a match with 3 good regular players (who are on a team). Chances are 1 player on the team will get atleast 2 KO's, but the pro player most likely will only get one because 3 people can easily overpower one. Does that mean the regular player is better than the pro?
I guess I'll leave this thread now. I don't want to start a flame war.
I know this reply seemed like I was trying to start one, but I was simply wanting to defend my points.
I mean no insult at all, but your aerial play wasn't/isn't better. The air is Luigi's domain; he has a bigger jump than Marth, better recovery (good for gimping), and can pull off more attacks in the air faster than Marth. And i didn't miss every gimp attempt; i made most all of them. Luigi's air attacks can be pulled off in very quick succession; they're some of the fastest as well.
W/the level 5 thing, i was mistaken in thinking you were talking about me; my bad. ::)
Don't worry; i'm not mad. :) Staying in the post won't cause a flame war; TheCatinTheHat and i had a good debate. You should stay in the thread. :thumbup:
Sorry if i came off wrong with the "I'm pretty sure...".
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Wow, I really hope your not serious with your arrogance, Unforgivable. 0_o
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Wow, I really hope your not serious with your arrogance, Unforgivable. 0_o
He's not being arrogant, he's actually that good
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:rollin:
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as far as warring in the air goes, I think Marth won that with all of the gimps. Luigi might have done better just jumping around, but when it Luigi or Marth would go off-stage, Marth would always win in a gimping attempt.
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Don't worry; i'm not mad. :) Staying in the post won't cause a flame war; TheCatinTheHat and i had a good debate. You should stay in the thread. :thumbup:
Sorry if i came off wrong with the "I'm pretty sure...".
I didn't get KO'd once while I was in the air (I had one star death and the rest of the deaths were when I was hit too far to the side). I always died from a Smash attack at high damages. I got more than half of my KO's from gimping. Marth's aerials have good knock back, have decent range, and deal up to 18 damage.
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Wow, I really hope your not serious with your arrogance, Unforgivable. 0_o
He's not being arrogant, he's actually that good
I don't care if your the best player in the world, nothing justifies being a jerk.
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Wow, I really hope your not serious with your arrogance, Unforgivable. 0_o
He's not being arrogant, he's actually that good
I don't care if your the best player in the world, nothing justifies being a jerk.
After re-reading that post several time I fail to see what you are talking about
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Marth beats Luigi by a mile. He outranges him in EVERYTHING.
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Thats half the reason I chose Marth, haha. I was thinking it was like a 30:70 matchup or something like that.
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Wow, I really hope your not serious with your arrogance, Unforgivable. 0_o
He's not being arrogant, he's actually that good
I don't care if your the best player in the world, nothing justifies being a jerk.
After re-reading that post several time I fail to see what you are talking about
Um, ok? Here, try again:
Even if your the best player in the world, it doesn't justify being a jerk.
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I think JSB was joking. Hence my rofl face after his post. ;)
I'm not so sure about that Luigi/Marth matchup... Luigi is a little quicker and more agile in the air. I think that Marth is very good... but I'm not sure about him winning 70% of the time.
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I think JSB was joking. Hence my rofl face after his post. ;)
I'm not so sure about that Luigi/Marth matchup... Luigi is a little quicker and more agile in the air. I think that Marth is very good... but I'm not sure about him winning 70% of the time.
no, really. Unforgivable is a BEAST. JSB wasn't joking. he was just trying to argue his side of that matter, I don't think he was being a jerk, he was just being defensive of the awesomeness of Luigi (who I found out is pretty awesome, in hands of people like Unforgivable). I guess the "I'm pretty sure I can beat you" was a little bit messed up, but not enough to call somebody a jerk to their face. Sauce already corrected him on that matter.
please, just let it pass and continue the debate!
Marth totally beats Luigi though... I believe it is a 70:30 match up
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Wow, I really hope your not serious with your arrogance, Unforgivable. 0_o
He's not being arrogant, he's actually that good
I don't care if your the best player in the world, nothing justifies being a jerk.
After re-reading that post several time I fail to see what you are talking about
Um, ok? Here, try again:
Even if your the best player in the world, it doesn't justify being a jerk.
I fail to see what part of Unforgivable's post you are talking about
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+1 JSB
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I think JSB was joking. Hence my rofl face after his post. ;)
I'm not so sure about that Luigi/Marth matchup... Luigi is a little quicker and more agile in the air. I think that Marth is very good... but I'm not sure about him winning 70% of the time.
The matchups don't really mean that one character will win __% of the time. It takes the advantages and disadvantages, strengths and weaknesses, etc and weighs them against each other.
And after checking, I've seen two different numbers. One thread on the smashboards said it was 70:30 Marth and another said it was 75:25 Marth
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+1 JSB
"I'm pretty sure you can't beat me" isn't enough? I hate that kind of arrogance, because Rawrlolsauce seems like a good player.
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Sorry if i came off wrong with the "I'm pretty sure...".
he already apologized for that. the post above doesn't really have anything that displayed arrogance, just character stats
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So, to put this back on topic, my two favorites now to use are actually meta knight and luigi! :D
They're both good characters and amazingly fun to use. My best now are:
Luigi
Toon Link
Ganandorf
Falco
Sonic
Not in any kind of order.
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Marth
Snake
Wolf
Ike
Meta Knight
in no paticular order.
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Sonic
MK
Sheik
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Luigi (No question)
Fox
MK (This isn't the only reason, but infinite cape is fun!)
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What do you like about fox that falco doesn't have?
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For one thing, the forward smash; is faster than that of falco, therefore less readable. The deflector shield, also. It might not come in too much handy reflecting things, but if you attack someone with it, it doesn't leave you as open for a grab or attack when you're done, unlike falco, who throws it at you. The return trip is more than enough time to get thrown or smash attacked. The air down-a, for me, is a little bit better than that of falco's. Falco's, if hit right, does send them to the ground (or in the air if they are on the ground), but Fox's doesn't send them far, allowing you to throw them right after, if done quick enough. Fox's up-b has more length than falco's, and with the jump and double jump, he has a better recovery.
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Okay, cool. I actually liked the reflective shield that gets thrown. It's great after your down grab.
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what do you like in Fox that Wolf doesn't have?
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what do you like in Fox that Wolf doesn't have?
What do you like in Wolf that Metaknight doesn't have?
You don't need a reason to like a character. Some characters are strictly inferior to others in many situations, but that doesn't mean you shouldn't play them. It is a game, after all.
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what do you like in Fox that Wolf doesn't have?
What do you like in Wolf that Metaknight doesn't have?
You don't need a reason to like a character. Some characters are strictly inferior to others in many situations, but that doesn't mean you shouldn't play them. It is a game, after all.
Fox and Wolf are comparable. Wolf and MK aren't... I can understand why Falco is a top person, but Fox I don't. Melee he was amazing, Brawl, I have yet to see why he's better than Wolf
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Mainly just speed, I think.
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Mainly just speed, I think.
speed isn't everything. sure, wolf is not the fastest character, but he's definately not a slow character like Gannondorf, Ike or Bowser. speed should not be the sole reason...
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My favorites are
1 Ike
2 Meta Knight
3 Sonic
4 Diddy Kong
5 Mr. Game & Watch
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I do ever so hate to necropost, but I just recently started to get really into the game, and I would love to continue this conversation (as nerdily as possible).
I really like playing with pretty much all of the characters (save for a few crappers like Jigglypuff and Ice Climbers (I mean seriously, are those a joke?!)). In fact, what I often do is put me and a CPU against 2 CPU's, all randomized, and see how I do with whoever I get. But if I were to pick favorites, they would have to be these:
Ike (Marth also I guess, but Ike is a total powerhouse, and also has some speed and air in moderation)
Lucas (Ness also, but I don't like his yo-yo attacks: the only thing I don't like about them are their recoveries, which I have yet to master)
Pikachu (he has speed and power, and his B down is awesomeness)
Fox/Falcon/Wolf (not sure yet which one is better, but all of them are fun to use, especially Wolf)
Kirby (simply awesome - I love stealing powers, even if they aren't that great)
Captain Falco (fiery awesome attacks all-around, as well as some speed and air)
MK has not proven himself to be especially awesome to me, and most others are either too weak or too slow for my taste.
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I personally don't think ike is a super huge deal, cause his moves are slow and punishable. they do have power, but if you miss, a good Lu could uppercut just about every mistake.
Lucas is okay i guess. his up smash brings the hurt and same with the up b if he hits himself with it. Not so sure about pikachu though. his down b has power, but is aerially dodgable with ease. he has some speedy moves, but not 2 many.
Kirby's ability to copy abilities is sorta crap. its fun, but not really effective. i mean, even if you do swallow ganon or a power character, getting off their move is sorta hard sometimes.
Im not tryin to bash your characters; i hope i don't come off as if i am. Im just puttin in my :2cents:
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this is really weird but my favorite is...PIT!!! i am awesome with pit! i fly back onto the stage when i fall and use angel ring to trap someone against a wall and sit there giving them damage. then i just hit them and it K.O.'s them ;D angel ring also blocks and sends all projectiles back to where it was shot in the first place :)
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Yeah, pit's one attack is pretty good, which is why my little brother likes him a lot since he can just press one button over and over. (Hiyayayah, hiyayayah, hiyayayah! :P)
As for Ike, yes he is rather slow, but his B forward attack is pwn and I'm not half bad at timing the B down reflector attack thingy, which works pretty well.
With Kirby, I can pretty much agree with you, but he's still pretty awesome even without the attack stealiness. I like spamming his B up, and it's really fun to use the B down an inch from the ground and send people flying. ;D
I don't think you're giving Pikachu enough credit though. He's purty gewd.
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I've changed my character order:
1.Meta Knight
2.Wolf
3.Fox (Fox and Wolf are about equal as far as how much I like to play with them)
4.Mario
5.Link
I was wondering also, what are the different styles of gameplay in Smash games? I've only heard of a "technical" style, but I am unaware of any others. Can someone list them for me?
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I'm glad someone put Mario up there, because I think he and Luigi are underrated. ...So is Peach. ::)
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Oh yeah, i play old school style. :) I've recently taken a liking to R.O.B., too, although he's quite hard to master. :( I'll have to check out his character guide.
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ROB is really not too bad, but you definitely have to know how to use him.
By the way, I don't really have any Wii friends; if anyone wants to be mine, my Wii number is 5849 9687 0837 8363. :)
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what's your user name
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ROB is really not too bad, but you definitely have to know how to use him.
By the way, I don't really have any Wii friends; if anyone wants to be mine, my Wii number is 5849 9687 0837 8363. :)
I have to agree with your comments on ROB. I've been practicing with him and I'm starting to get more comfortable with him.
BTW I think I've found a place to observe most of the different styles of play (aggressive, defensive, technical, campy, etc). I think I'm going with aggressive-it matches my chess style. ;)
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r.o.b. is top tier. in the last ssbb world tournament, the final match was between rob and marth. i believe rob took the world championship.
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Where was Meta Knight?!?!!??! Or did he already get banned?
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Where is this "tier" business coming from?
what's your user name
I believe it's Jeremy. Not positive though.
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If Meta Knight was banned, I'm going to...well, I'm not going to say that. :)
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Where is this "tier" business coming from?
what's your user name
I believe it's Jeremy. Not positive though.
all fighting games have tiers. not all characters in a fighting game are created equal and balanced; some are more op than others. to see the official tier list, go here:
http://super-smash-bros.wikia.com/wiki/Tier_list (http://super-smash-bros.wikia.com/wiki/Tier_list)
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R.O.B. is my character of choice as well. His Dair just wrecks havoc on my opponent's timing, and he doesn't telegraph most of his attacks.
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In Professional terms, how many "mains" (main characters you choose to play as seriously) or "alternates" (characters who you choose as a secondary choice for fun or for matchup reasons) can a player legally have?
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Diddy Kong and King Dedede are in the top tier?! Wow, I do not agree with that list at all. :P
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Diddy Kong has sick aerial game, nice grabs, easy combos, and BANANAS!!OEN!
I slightly agree about 3d, although he is strong, has good range, GREAT recovery, and AWESOME throws.
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tripleD has always been top tier.
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DDD has chain grab.
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Chain grab is good, his throws are good, his recovery is good, but most of his attacks are too slow.
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Chain grabs won't win you a game though... he still needs to be fast enough to hit with normal attacks.
Diddy Kong is a boss.
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My Favs are
Snake
Bowser
Captain Falcon
Wario
Ice climbers
Snake is the best!!! I love his super smash power ups!!
Bowser is also my favorite!! His stomach smash is the bomb.
Ice climbers are good when they are together and both are alive
P.S. You guys are crazy for liking Meta-Knight
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crazy because he is the best?
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I must also be crazy for liking diddy kong and falco. ;D
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I can't tell is Kyp is being sarcastic or not....if not he must be playing a different SSBB than me.
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I can't tell is Kyp is being sarcastic or not....if not he must be playing a different SSBB than me.
he's not. Snake's a beast. I don't know where he got to liking Bowser and Captain Falcon though...
although, Meta Knight is crazy good. but I think you need to see a pro play with him to realize it sometimes.
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You guys better watch out. Your going to forget about the tier list and then, in the blink of an eye, you'll learn that Captain Falcon is above Meta-Knight.
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There are ways to beat MK, but it seems as though (because of the relatively recent release of the game) none have really found where he's weak. You have to keep in mind his weaknesses. For one, he has NO projectiles, so characters with long range attacks are probably good matchups for him. For instance, Falco's blaster, if one uses it well, may be a great weapon for use against MK. Or all of Snake's weaponry. Secondly, MK is light and small, and thus flies farther when hit. This could be a small disadvantage for him. Thirdly, his attacks are decently weak, so he must rely on accumulating damage. A player battling MK may try in some way to keep MK from using many combos. Fourthly, MK is rather slow in the air, so one might try to keep the battle as aerial as possible to take advantage of this weakness. Fifthly, MK is very good at recovery, so one might try to star KO him rather than edge guard him. Some things to keep in mind. I think players haven't really tried to use these disadvantages. They merely have assumed they are unbeatable and haven't looked into how to take advantage of them. Any thoughts on this?
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You guys better watch out. Your going to forget about the tier list and then, in the blink of an eye, you'll learn that Captain Falcon is above Meta-Knight.
I thought you switched your main to Ganondorf, since he's at the bottom of the tier list?
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I'm not sure I would put Ganondorf at the bottom of the tier list for Melee or Brawl. My brother mains Ganondorf and he's a force to be reckoned with (my brothers and I have played Smash for a long, long time ;)).
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ganondorf is at the very bottom of the tier list.
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Ganandorf is pretty awesome.
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Ganandorf is pretty awesome.
in Melee. in Brawl he's horrid.
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Gannondorf will never be anything more than a Captain Falcon wannabe, even if the Zelda games. Captain Falcon will always be the best character; even if the tier list disagrees.
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Ganandorf is WAY better, even in Brawl. Captain Falcon is pretty aweful.
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Ganandorf is pretty awesome.
in Melee. in Brawl he's horrid.
meh, hes not that great in melee either. mid tier.
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Ganondorf isn't "horrid" in any of the games. I think one just has to take the time and energy to become a good player with him.
BTW, Ganondorf is NOT a Captain Falcon wannabe. Not in the Zelda games, not in the Smash games, etc etc. One may argue reasonably that Captain Falcon is easier to use in Smash or is slightly better at full potential, but to insult Ganondorf for his POSSIBLE, SLIGHT inferiority to Captain Falcon in terms of Smash movesets is simply absurd. To try to determine who is the better character is a matter of opinion.
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Ganondorf is horrid. Captain Falcon has speed working for him. Ganondorf has NOTHING in his favor. only a complete idiot will be hit by him.
which implies that I'm a complete idiot. but still.
Ganondorf isn't "horrid" in any of the games. I think one just has to take the time and energy to become a good player with him.
nobody is "horrid" if you define it that way. anybody can beat lvl 9 n00biness. only certain characters stand a chance against top-tier characters who are player controlled.
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exactly. some may argue that ganondorf can be good in the right hands, but any other character in brawl can be better in the hands of someone of similiar skill. that is why he is at the bottom of the tier list, because:
sluggish moves
terrible out-of-shield options
horrible spot dodge
limited approach options
predictable recovery
poor mobility
terrible matchups against those with projectiles
horrible tournament results
just to name a few. ;)
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Well, in my town, Meta Knight stinks, no matter who plays with him. I even had an epic battle where I was the Pokemon team and he lost 5-0. And yes, snake is good, if you play with the brawl power and are good at aiming. Bowser is unbeatable when he is mega-Bowser. But I take it that none of you like to play with the "smash."
P.S. I like diddy-kong too, but I don't play with him much. Most of the time I just choose random and have a go with whatever character, but I am not saying I am pro or anything.
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Ganandorf's Down kick in air is pretty awesome though for chasing people off the cliff.
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I think Ganondorf and Captain Falcon are highly underrated. ...Apparently not by you guys though. :P Ganondorf definitely doesn't belong at the bottom of the list (behind Jigglypuff, really?), and Captain Falcon deserves to be much higher. Seriously, what's wrong with him? He has good speed, good recovery, power to the max, and of course...FALCON PUUUNCH!
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jigglypuff has solid air game.
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...Nnnnnnnnoo, no he does not. :P All of Jigglypuff's attacks are very shortrange, exept for his B attack, which stinks tacos. None of them are very powerful, either. All Jigglypuff can do is jump a lot.
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yyyyyyyyyyyyyyyes, yes he does. with 6 jumps, the second fastest air speed in the game (yoshi being first), the slowest falling speed, and rising pound, jigglypuff DOMINATES in aerial combat. more importantly, his f-air and b-air moves allow him to use the wall of pain technique very very very effectively letting him ko opponents at low percentages by being juggled off-screen. jigglypuff owns air.
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Did you copy that from Wiki and then edit it?
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHA. But jigglypuff has mad aerial skills.
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHA. But jigglypuff has mad aerial skills.
i thought i already said this.
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Ring Wraith, I think you're looking at Ganondorf's weaknesses and not at his strengths. In the right hands, Ganondorf can definitely pack some punch and dodge attacks. Take the roll for instance. Ganondorf's is actually quite fast and effective. When my brother (the one that mains Ganondorf) plays against me (and I main MK, Mario, Link, and Fox), he uses the roll very very effectively to avoid my attacks. Combine that with Ganondorf's superb strength and you've got a really good player!
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This is like saying Magikarp is a legit competitive battle option. Ganondorf just isn't good in the competitive battle sphere with people who play this game mroe than should be allowed. I think they know what they are saying. Personal expirience means nothing.
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i'll agree that ganondorf does pack more than one of the most powerful moves in the game, but they're easily telegraphed and hes just overall way too slow. ganondorf is, without fail, and agreed upon by 100% pro players, the worse character in brawl.
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Well, in my town, Meta Knight stinks, no matter who plays with him. I even had an epic battle where I was the Pokemon team and he lost 5-0. And yes, snake is good, if you play with the brawl power and are good at aiming. Bowser is unbeatable when he is mega-Bowser. But I take it that none of you like to play with the "smash."
P.S. I like diddy-kong too, but I don't play with him much. Most of the time I just choose random and have a go with whatever character, but I am not saying I am pro or anything.
you need to get out more. MK gimps are amazing. and he can rack up damage like no other.
smash balls are for fun matches, and can't be used to judge skill, so normally, I don't use them.
Ring Wraith, I think you're looking at Ganondorf's weaknesses and not at his strengths. In the right hands, Ganondorf can definitely pack some punch and dodge attacks. Take the roll for instance. Ganondorf's is actually quite fast and effective. When my brother (the one that mains Ganondorf) plays against me (and I main MK, Mario, Link, and Fox), he uses the roll very very effectively to avoid my attacks. Combine that with Ganondorf's superb strength and you've got a really good player!
any of your mains are fast enough to reposition for after the roll and strike before he can do anything.
and a roll isn't enough to make a good player. superb strength will do nothing because he can't land any hits.
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He can land a few good hits, and that's all it takes for Ganondorf. Again, I really don't think you guys are looking at his strengths. Ganondorf is not the worst character in Brawl. All you have to do is know how to use him. One can develop Ganondorf enough to time attacks right (trust me, another friend of mine who mains Ganondorf can play like nobody's business with Ganondorf because he trained himself to time his attacks). Strengths or weaknesses don't mean much. What does mean a lot is how good of a player YOU are.
Personal experience means nothing? May I ask why not?
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Strengths or weaknesses don't mean much.
strengths and weaknesses mean EVERYTHING and how much you can abuse them.
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Well aren't you supposed to have fun when you play brawl? We do! Like I said, we aren't trying to be pros or anything, we just like to have fun and play a good game. If we are not having fun, then what is the point of doing something besides work? I understand why you guys play tournaments but we just try to have fun. I guess that's why we play with the smash ball.
P.S. Snake rocks!!!!
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Falco....PUNCH!!!
Kirby Rules oh yeah
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Well aren't you supposed to have fun when you play brawl? We do! Like I said, we aren't trying to be pros or anything, we just like to have fun and play a good game. If we are not having fun, then what is the point of doing something besides work?
:amen: That's why I love to play with Kirby, even though I know he isn't the greatest brawler.
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Strengths or weaknesses don't mean much.
strengths and weaknesses mean EVERYTHING and how much you can abuse them.
No, not "everything". Strengths and weaknesses effect about 10-20% of a Brawl. How good of a player you are effects about 80-90%. If that is true, then anyone who puts a lot of time and energy into Ganondorf can be as good of a player as any.
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No, not "everything". Strengths and weaknesses effect about 10-20% of a Brawl. How good of a player you are effects about 80-90%. If that is true, then anyone who puts a lot of time and energy into Ganondorf can be as good of a player as any.
Who would win in Redemption more often, a good player with a national winning deck or a top player (Isbel, Maly, etc etc) with a starter deck?
Strengths and weaknesses are far more important than you seem to believe. If two players spend the same amount of time training, and amass equal skill levels, the one with the better character will win more times than not.
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No, not "everything". Strengths and weaknesses effect about 10-20% of a Brawl. How good of a player you are effects about 80-90%. If that is true, then anyone who puts a lot of time and energy into Ganondorf can be as good of a player as any.
Who would win in Redemption more often, a good player with a national winning deck or a top player (Isbel, Maly, etc etc) with a starter deck?
Strengths and weaknesses are far more important than you seem to believe. If two players spend the same amount of time training, and amass equal skill levels, the one with the better character will win more times than not.
How can you say with confidence who is the better character?
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a top tier player with a starter deck playing against a top tier player with a top tier deck will not win. similiarly, a top tier player with a junk character will not win against a top tier player playing a top tier character. tiers have existed in fighting games ever since their inception. ganon is a junk character, and should be heavily avoided for competitive play.
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Personal experience means nothing? May I ask why not?
because personal experience cannot be used as a base for who's good and who isn't. you have to look at the big picture. Ganondorf might pwn in your town, but over all, it's could be just a great player with Ganondorf and you guys aren't at the skill level with upper tier characters yet to be able to equal him. sometimes, the higher the tier, the more difficult it is to use.Well aren't you supposed to have fun when you play brawl? We do! Like I said, we aren't trying to be pros or anything, we just like to have fun and play a good game. If we are not having fun, then what is the point of doing something besides work? I understand why you guys play tournaments but we just try to have fun. I guess that's why we play with the smash ball.
P.S. Snake rocks!!!!
I agree. I use smash balls all the time. but to judge skill, Bowser is horrible. smash balls cannot be included in that.Strengths or weaknesses don't mean much.
strengths and weaknesses mean EVERYTHING and how much you can abuse them.
No, not "everything". Strengths and weaknesses effect about 10-20% of a Brawl. How good of a player you are effects about 80-90%. If that is true, then anyone who puts a lot of time and energy into Ganondorf can be as good of a player as any.
20% of 1,000,000 is a lot more than 20% of 0. MK is the 1,000,000 and Ganondorf is the 0. everything. skill is a lot of it, yes. but when it all boils down, strengths and weaknesses (and match up) will decide the winner with two exceptional characters.
No, not "everything". Strengths and weaknesses effect about 10-20% of a Brawl. How good of a player you are effects about 80-90%. If that is true, then anyone who puts a lot of time and energy into Ganondorf can be as good of a player as any.
Who would win in Redemption more often, a good player with a national winning deck or a top player (Isbel, Maly, etc etc) with a starter deck?
Strengths and weaknesses are far more important than you seem to believe. If two players spend the same amount of time training, and amass equal skill levels, the one with the better character will win more times than not.
How can you say with confidence who is the better character?
same way we can say with confidence that Tim Maly is a better player than I. look at the facts. he's won a lot more tournaments. and 9 times out of 10, beats me (I beat him once at an Iowa state... that was by far the luckiest tournament I've ever played at. thankfully, Gabe was just beginning redemption...)
look at the facts. MK has won an insane amount of tournaments, and 9 times out of 10 will beat any other character. the differences gets fuzzy in the middle with characters like Sonic and Wolf. the fun ones :)
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But you can say with confidence that, supposing Meta Knight was not in the Brawl roster, Ganondorf would stand a chance against really any other character, right?
Really the only thing bad about Ganondorf or Bowser or Wolf or Ike or other heavy characters is their speed, which isn't that big of a deal. Pit a Ganon main against a Fox main of equal strengths and, even though the Fox main can knock a LOT more hits, they won't do nearly as much damage. When Ganon does get the chance to hit, he packs a huge punch. That's the essence of heavy characters-make up what you lack in speed with a little extra brute force.
True, with MK I could probably beat my brother or my friend, but the only reason is because I'm MK. With any of my other mains (Mario, Link, and Fox, who I'm using a lot more than MK nowadays), my brother and my friend are amazing with Ganondorf because they have learned the key principle of timing. While Fox has blinding speed, his brute force is lackluster to put it generously. Ganon's speed is lackluster to put it generously, but he has brutal strength and it doesn't take a lot of hits to knock a Fox offscreen.
If Meta Knight does get banned from tournaments, you can bet money Ganondorf will be a lot more popular.
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Ganondorf isn't always slow either. His B down, both in the air and on the ground, is quick and powerful, as is his B forward. If done at the right time, his B up can pack a quick punch, and I believe his regular A attack is relatively fast.
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Ganondorf isn't always slow either. His B down, both in the air and on the ground, is quick and powerful, as is his B forward. If done at the right time, his B up can pack a quick punch, and I believe his regular A attack is relatively fast.
My thoughts also.
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But you can say with confidence that, supposing Meta Knight was not in the Brawl roster, Ganondorf would stand a chance against really any other character, right?
He stands a chance against any character, just not a very good one. Even if MK wasn't included in Brawl, Gannondorf would still be at the bottom. His positives do not out weigh his negatives.
Really the only thing bad about Ganondorf or Bowser or Wolf or Ike or other heavy characters is their speed, which isn't that big of a deal.
Speed and Maneuverability are probably two of the three most important characteristics.
Pit a Ganon main against a Fox main of equal strengths and, even though the Fox main can knock a LOT more hits, they won't do nearly as much damage. When Ganon does get the chance to hit, he packs a huge punch. That's the essence of heavy characters-make up what you lack in speed with a little extra brute force.
Which does more damage, 200 weak attacks or 0 strong attacks?
Ganondorf because they have learned the key principle of timing. While Fox has blinding speed, his brute force is lackluster to put it generously. Ganon's speed is lackluster to put it generously, but he has brutal strength and it doesn't take a lot of hits to knock a Fox offscreen.
Reaction times play a massive role in video games. I don't care how great you are at timing your moves, if your moves slow it'll give your opponent a chance to think. They'll make the necessary changes to reduce/eliminate the threat, something they would not be able to do if you were faster. The damage your able to rack up with speed will be better than a bit of extra power in most cases.
If Meta Knight does get banned from tournaments, you can bet money Ganondorf's will be a lot more popular.
I'd be willing to bet my money Gannondorf's popularity will SLIGHTLY and Marth's, DDD's, Snake's, etc's popularity will massively increase.
(Directed at BB, too lazy to click the quote button): His side-B is just plain terrible. If they are able to dodge it, which is very easy, you will get punished. His neutral-A is ok, but it is only one moves and is fairly limited. His down-B has the same flaws as his side B, his Up-B is just plain terrible: Slow, hard to aim, limited, and if you miss you'll get hurt majorally. On top of all that, none of those moves are "fast", they are "average" at best.
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So far, only once have I seen Ganondorf punished from a B down attack on the ground. That attack is bomb.
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But you can say with confidence that, supposing Meta Knight was not in the Brawl roster, Ganondorf would stand a chance against really any other character, right?
He stands a chance against any character, just not a very good one. Even if MK wasn't included in Brawl, Gannondorf would still be at the bottom. His positives do not out weigh his negatives.
Really the only thing bad about Ganondorf or Bowser or Wolf or Ike or other heavy characters is their speed, which isn't that big of a deal.
Speed and Maneuverability are probably two of the three most important characteristics.
Pit a Ganon main against a Fox main of equal strengths and, even though the Fox main can knock a LOT more hits, they won't do nearly as much damage. When Ganon does get the chance to hit, he packs a huge punch. That's the essence of heavy characters-make up what you lack in speed with a little extra brute force.
Which does more damage, 200 weak attacks or 0 strong attacks?
Ganondorf because they have learned the key principle of timing. While Fox has blinding speed, his brute force is lackluster to put it generously. Ganon's speed is lackluster to put it generously, but he has brutal strength and it doesn't take a lot of hits to knock a Fox offscreen.
Reaction times play a massive role in video games. I don't care how great you are at timing your moves, if your moves slow it'll give your opponent a chance to think. They'll make the necessary changes to reduce/eliminate the threat, something they would not be able to do if you were faster. The damage your able to rack up with speed will be better than a bit of extra power in most cases.
If Meta Knight does get banned from tournaments, you can bet money Ganondorf's will be a lot more popular.
I'd be willing to bet my money Gannondorf's popularity will SLIGHTLY and Marth's, DDD's, Snake's, etc's popularity will massively increase.
(Directed at BB, too lazy to click the quote button): His side-B is just plain terrible. If they are able to dodge it, which is very easy, you will get punished. His neutral-A is ok, but it is only one moves and is fairly limited. His down-B has the same flaws as his side B, his Up-B is just plain terrible: Slow, hard to aim, limited, and if you miss you'll get hurt majorally. On top of all that, none of those moves are "fast", they are "average" at best.
And you know all this from...personal experience?
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only one way to settle this. lolsauce vs notw, ssbb style! :)
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But you can say with confidence that, supposing Meta Knight was not in the Brawl roster, Ganondorf would stand a chance against really any other character, right?
Really the only thing bad about Ganondorf or Bowser or Wolf or Ike or other heavy characters is their speed, which isn't that big of a deal. Pit a Ganon main against a Fox main of equal strengths and, even though the Fox main can knock a LOT more hits, they won't do nearly as much damage. When Ganon does get the chance to hit, he packs a huge punch. That's the essence of heavy characters-make up what you lack in speed with a little extra brute force.
True, with MK I could probably beat my brother or my friend, but the only reason is because I'm MK. With any of my other mains (Mario, Link, and Fox, who I'm using a lot more than MK nowadays), my brother and my friend are amazing with Ganondorf because they have learned the key principle of timing. While Fox has blinding speed, his brute force is lackluster to put it generously. Ganon's speed is lackluster to put it generously, but he has brutal strength and it doesn't take a lot of hits to knock a Fox offscreen.
If Meta Knight does get banned from tournaments, you can bet money Ganondorf will be a lot more popular.
Ganondorf doesn't stand a chance against any fast or upper tier character.
speed is everything. thankfully, Wolf isn't a heavy character. he's not fast, but he's manuverable, powerful, and has quick moves. also, his side smash has insane range.
Ike makes up for his slowness with his counter and his range. I believe his priority is great to. still, Ike stinks. he's just incredibly fun to use, as he's from one of the best games ever
Ganondorf will only be able to hit three times before he's dead. theoretically speaking. power<speed. even if he did 25-30% damage each hit, that's not enough to kill.
your friend may be awesome with timing. but, he'd be better with any other character, should he take the time to learn.
it takes more than three hits. fox is fast enough to completely shut him out. timing doesn't matter when you can jump over his slow attacks.
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only one way to settle this. lolsauce vs notw, ssbb style! :)
That would be interesting, but I would have to be given permission not to be Ganondorf, as I haven't mained or subbed him ever since I first started playing. If playing against someone I didn't know I'd probably have to be Mario or Fox.
But you can say with confidence that, supposing Meta Knight was not in the Brawl roster, Ganondorf would stand a chance against really any other character, right?
Really the only thing bad about Ganondorf or Bowser or Wolf or Ike or other heavy characters is their speed, which isn't that big of a deal. Pit a Ganon main against a Fox main of equal strengths and, even though the Fox main can knock a LOT more hits, they won't do nearly as much damage. When Ganon does get the chance to hit, he packs a huge punch. That's the essence of heavy characters-make up what you lack in speed with a little extra brute force.
True, with MK I could probably beat my brother or my friend, but the only reason is because I'm MK. With any of my other mains (Mario, Link, and Fox, who I'm using a lot more than MK nowadays), my brother and my friend are amazing with Ganondorf because they have learned the key principle of timing. While Fox has blinding speed, his brute force is lackluster to put it generously. Ganon's speed is lackluster to put it generously, but he has brutal strength and it doesn't take a lot of hits to knock a Fox offscreen.
If Meta Knight does get banned from tournaments, you can bet money Ganondorf will be a lot more popular.
Ganondorf doesn't stand a chance against any fast or upper tier character.
speed is everything. thankfully, Wolf isn't a heavy character. he's not fast, but he's manuverable, powerful, and has quick moves. also, his side smash has insane range.
Ike makes up for his slowness with his counter and his range. I believe his priority is great to. still, Ike stinks. he's just incredibly fun to use, as he's from one of the best games ever
Ganondorf will only be able to hit three times before he's dead. theoretically speaking. power<speed. even if he did 25-30% damage each hit, that's not enough to kill.
your friend may be awesome with timing. but, he'd be better with any other character, should he take the time to learn.
it takes more than three hits. fox is fast enough to completely shut him out. timing doesn't matter when you can jump over his slow attacks.
Speed is not everything, or DDD wouldn't be in the top tier. Also saying earlier that only a "complete idiot" would be hit by him is completely untrue. I've been hit PLENTY of times when fighting against my brother, and my other brother has too. And we may not be M2K, Ken, and SilentWolf, but we're far from complete idiots when it comes to smash. :)
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well, have your brother playing ganondorf play against rawrlolsauce.
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Now that would be interesting. :)
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Speed is not everything, or DDD wouldn't be in the top tier. Also saying earlier that only a "complete idiot" would be hit by him is completely untrue. I've been hit PLENTY of times when fighting against my brother, and my other brother has too. And we may not be M2K, Ken, and SilentWolf, but we're far from complete idiots when it comes to smash. :)
DDD shouldn't be top tier, IMO. but his attacks are quick enough.
I'm not saying your a complete idiot. I'm saying that you should be able to dodge. it's basically the only thing I can do. I'm horrible at landing blows. but Wolf and Marth dodge enough for me to win a few matches. my online doesn't work though, not for brawl...
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Speed is not everything, or DDD wouldn't be in the top tier. Also saying earlier that only a "complete idiot" would be hit by him is completely untrue. I've been hit PLENTY of times when fighting against my brother, and my other brother has too. And we may not be M2K, Ken, and SilentWolf, but we're far from complete idiots when it comes to smash. :)
DDD shouldn't be top tier, IMO. but his attacks are quick enough.
I'm not saying your a complete idiot. I'm saying that you should be able to dodge. it's basically the only thing I can do. I'm horrible at landing blows. but Wolf and Marth dodge enough for me to win a few matches. my online doesn't work though, not for brawl...
What makes you think DDD shouldn't be top tier? I find him very easy to handle, and a lot of other people do too to have put him there. What's really wrong with the tier is Ganondorf being last, behind every single character in Smash. That's just completely wrong.
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DDD is top tier, he's pretty awesome. And his projectile can occasionally be a pokeball!
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My point exactly!!
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Like I said earlier, speed is NOT everything, but it is a MAJOR aspect. The way to make a quality tier list is to weigh the pros and cons, strengths and weaknesses. DDD has a few major cons (speed, size, etc), but he has BEASTLY recovery, AMAZING projectiles, chain throws, awesome strats, etc. His pros have proven to outweigh his cons, so he is top tier. Now, Ganondorf has many cons (slow, big, bad recovery, hard to maneuver, few combos, etc) and few pros (high knock back, more damage). His cons outweigh his pros, so he is bottom tier.
The main thing to do is have fun. I main Captain Falcon in brawl, who is in the bottom 3 on the tier list and was on the bottom for a long period of time, due to the fact I find it enjoyable.
I'd be willing to play your brother, but I haven't even touched Brawl since MN State/NC Regionals, in which case I only played a few games. I haven't seriously played Brawl in over a year, so I'm not very good :3.
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Like I said earlier, speed is NOT everything, but it is a MAJOR aspect. The way to make a quality tier list is to weigh the pros and cons, strengths and weaknesses. DDD has a few major cons (speed, size, etc), but he has BEASTLY recovery, AMAZING projectiles, chain throws, awesome strats, etc. His pros have proven to outweigh his cons, so he is top tier. Now, Ganondorf has many cons (slow, big, bad recovery, hard to maneuver, few combos, etc) and few pros (high knock back, more damage). His cons outweigh his pros, so he is bottom tier.
The main thing to do is have fun. I main Captain Falcon in brawl, who is in the bottom 3 on the tier list and was on the bottom for a long period of time, due to the fact I find it enjoyable.
I'd be willing to play your brother, but I haven't even touched Brawl since MN State/NC Regionals, in which case I only played a few games. I haven't seriously played Brawl in over a year, so I'm not very good :3.
remind me to bring it to the next game night and tournament. we'll have to have a way to keep the kidies off of it though. they need to play at least 1 or two games of redemption...
perhaps DDD is better than I at first thought. I never play with him.
if Ganondorf wasn't last place in smash, then somebody else would be mad. although, I do think Jigglypuff deserves to be last. she was once one of the best characters. and then Brawl came along. I will miss your glory days Jiggly. :'( she was wayy too handicapped from her former awesomeness. she was probably my favorite character to play with, just to see people's faces when I used her and blew them off the screen with the down B awesomeness.
so, my bottom three is Link, Ganondorf, Jigglypuff.
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Yeah, my list from best to worst of the last three would be something like Ganondorf, Bowser, Jigglypuff. Link is down there somewhere too, just because of his slow speed and slightly difficult handling. But he's one of my mains, nonetheless. :)
As far as a match between my brother and you, Rawrlolsauce!, I'd need to get the USB device and get internet connection first. Then we'll see if my brother want's to play or not. If this whole thing is possible, his alias will probably be Edmnd (based on Edmunds from the show 24). If you wanted to play me then, mine would probably be NotW (no special reason other than it comes from Colossians 2:8 and it is my username on almost all websites).
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My bottom three would be Yoshi, Link, Gannondorf. I like Jigglypuff in brawl, even though she did get weaker. She wasn't actually too good in melee (I think she should have been even lower on the tier list), but she was used a lot because she would utterly destroy Fox and Falcon, which is half the top tier.
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I think my bottom five, in order from worst to best, would be:
1. Jigglypuff
2. Peach
3. Ganondorf
4. Yoshi
5. Link
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I think my bottom five, in order from worst to best, would be:
1. Jigglypuff
2. Peach
3. Ganondorf
4. Yoshi
5. Link
Peach got a lot worse in Brawl too. Peach and Jiggly were two of my favorites.My bottom three would be Yoshi, Link, Gannondorf. I like Jigglypuff in brawl, even though she did get weaker. She wasn't actually too good in melee (I think she should have been even lower on the tier list), but she was used a lot because she would utterly destroy Fox and Falcon, which is half the top tier.
seriously? Jiggly pnwd all (not quite, but still) I loved Jiggly. amazing recovery, powerful moves, isn't slow... and all around fun to use!
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Just a quick interposing of the Ganondorf conversation: would you guys say that Wolf is sort of the Star Fox equivalent of Meta Knight character-wise? I've heard that it might instead be Falco, but Wolf seems a tad more accurate to me.
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falco. wolf isnt that great.
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falco is the best of the star-fox characters. I main with Wolf for Multi brawl. I switch around with single brawls, but I usually use Wolf, Marth, Ike or Snake. I've also been trying out MK and Pit. Wolf is just a beast. I mean, his up taunt is craazy.
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Well, I'm not actually meaning this in terms of Smash movesets, but in terms of their roles in the respective stories. Meta Knight is portrayed not as an evil character, but one who merely appears and challenges Kirby. He often has the same goals, but needs to stop Kirby in order to fulfill them. I think this is what they are making Wolf into. As far as I know, in Star Fox Command he is a fully playable character with a story mode in which he becomes a hero. Similar to Meta Knight, wouldn't you say? Although I could understand the Falco comparison...
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well in that case, yeah, i believe you're right...wolf isnt necessarily 'evil' per se (because i dont recall him working for andross or anything in the star fox games), but he is a rival i guess.
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You know, lately I've really gotten to like Toon Link. He used to be my favorite character, and I now remember why. He has awesome recovery, chain grab, three different kinds of missiles, and quick, powerful smash attacks.
Come on, guys! Don't let the flames of smashing die out!
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Toon Link should not even be in the game. He is a 2-d cartoon character, not a 3-d moving character. He is ok in Brawl, but I would have rather had Slippy from Star Fox with a different smash than the others or even another pokemon character than him.
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Well, regardless of whether he should be a Brawl character, I think he's a good one.
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I think my bottom five, in order from worst to best, would be:
1. Jigglypuff
2. Peach
3. Ganondorf
4. Yoshi
5. Link
Yeah, Yoshi really became quite useless in Brawl. It's a shame, too, because he was my favorite in Melee. :( I usually play Olimar, since he has awesome grab range, smashes, and arials.
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Toon Link should not even be in the game. He is a 2-d cartoon character, not a 3-d moving character. He is ok in Brawl, but I would have rather had Slippy from Star Fox with a different smash than the others or even another pokemon character than him.
Wind Waker. 3-D.
They should have had Petey Pirahna instead of him.
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Wind Waker. 3-D.
For a while I thought 3-D was supposed to be someone smiling with their eyes closed, and was quite confused as to how it was significant.
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You know, lately I've really gotten to like Toon Link. He used to be my favorite character, and I now remember why. He has awesome recovery, chain grab, three different kinds of missiles, and quick, powerful smash attacks.
Come on, guys! Don't let the flames of smashing die out!
Sorry, I'm too busy playing FPS on xbox 360. :D
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You know, lately I've really gotten to like Toon Link. He used to be my favorite character, and I now remember why. He has awesome recovery, chain grab, three different kinds of missiles, and quick, powerful smash attacks.
Come on, guys! Don't let the flames of smashing die out!
Sorry, I'm too busy playing FPS on xbox 360. :D
"Pom Pom, hand me that gun."
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Toon Link is a good idea, I think he fits the brawl roster pretty well.
They could, however, have added some more Donkey Kong characters, such as King K. Rool, some other Kongs, maybe some of the bad guys, etc etc. All around I think the Brawl character list is pretty good, and the reason they didn't put in more characters probably had something to do with the memory the Wii system contained.
I've recently been playing a lot as the Pokemon Trainer. Now there's a good idea for a new character. I mean, what better way to introduce Pokemon Trainer Red to the series than to have him fight with Charizard, Ivysaur, and Squirtle? Absolutely brilliant idea. Squirtle is even comparable (in my opinion) to Fox or Falco as far as weight/speed goes. He's got amazing chain (and not to mention exceptionally fast) grabs, an all around great moveset, and he is blue (my favorite color). Who doesn't like blue characters? :)
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Knuckles or Shadow would have worked well.
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Totally. Knuckles didn't even get an assist trophy, did he?
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Knuckles or Shadow would have worked well.
I totally would play with knuckles. Dude's a beast...
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People have been begging for Sonic for years. And he's just awful. Be happy for the fanservice you got.
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People have been begging for Sonic for years. And he's just awful. Be happy for the fanservice you got.
don't tell that to Flores.
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They should have at least added Shadow to the Brawl roster.
But you can bet that, if they make an SSB4, there will be more Sonic characters, like: Shadow, Metal Sonic, Tails, Knuckles, or perhaps Eggman (though I'm not quite sure how that would work. They might just have to use Metal in his place).
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metal sonic would be epic win.
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They'd better dang well beef up Sonic first.
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Why would a SSB game have a roster of like 6 Sega characters from the same series? There aren't even that many Mario characters. Be happy with Sonic.
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Why would a SSB game have a roster of like 6 Sega characters from the same series? There aren't even that many Mario characters. Be happy with Sonic.
+1
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Exactly, if we had it my way, SSB4 would every character from Star Wars from it :maul: :kenobi: ::) But unfortunately they are not nintendo characters. I'll have to work on that.
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They should have a game where Darth Vader, Spiderman, Harry Potter, and Chuck Norris can kick the snot out of each other.
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Don't forget Mr. T! :preach:
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Chuck Norris pwns Mr. T.
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Chuck Norris pwns Mr. T.
WHAT!?!!?!?!?! Mr. T is Mr. T! He pities a fool!
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My new favorite character is R.O.B. He is way powerful with the flying moves and the laser. And ROB is able to stay out of the picture for a while by flying away. His whirling arms are pretty good too. Also Nice Recovery.
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R.O.B.'s recovery is especially good since he can attack while doing it. I love his standard A air attack, because while it takes a while to begin, it is also relatively difficult to predict. His laser is pretty cool and hard to counter, as is his gyro. All-around he's pretty solid, but he does take a while to get good at.
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Aye, Mr. Anderson is my main in Brawl.
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Chuck Norris pwns Mr. T.
WHAT!?!!?!?!?! Mr. T is Mr. T! He pities a fool!
maybe pities the fool who Chuck Norris beats down because they think Mr. T is more awesome than Chuck Norris.
Aye, Mr. Anderson is my main in Brawl.
hahahaha.
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And R.O.B. just was killed in a horrible match against Snake, Snake is too powerful for R.O.B. Moving Snake back to the top
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i think MK is now tournament banned aka no more metaknight.
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Who dares ban Meta Knight?! Is there a link I can get so I can sue? (joke. but is there a link to the page that said that?)
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no. according to the latest poll by sbr, pro-ban for major tournaments won the poll, but did not win the majority (2/3rds of the vote). mk is not banned, nor will he be anytime soon.
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i thought nvm i don't see his power though.
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i thought nvm i don't see his power though.
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=191214 (http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=191214)
pick a video. you'll see.
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i belive you but i think he's hard to master.
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i belive you but i think he's hard to master.
Are you talking about Meta Knight? Or someone else?
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Well I don't use metaknight that well(nither does my pals)but he is good(sick recovery nuff said)I main marth(freakin awsome moves)
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Holy crap... I now have a new respect for metaknight... and would hate to play against someone who is good with him... holy crap!
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lightning ninja, did meta knight just kick your tail?
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No I watched those videos that Ring Raith gave a link too... I had never seen him that way before!
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mk is beast.
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mk is beast.
:amen: +1
What I do not understand is why Pit is #17 in the B list. As far as I'm concerned, he's equal to Meta Knight, is he not?
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mk is beast.
:amen: +1
What I do not understand is why Pit is #17 in the B list. As far as I'm concerned, he's equal to Meta Knight, is he not?
nooooooooooooooooo. for recovery, yes, Pit rivals that of MK, but in priority, MK>everybody.
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some matchups are even for mk, like snake and falco.
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game of smash tonite anyone?around 7-8 oclock CST?
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Is anyone up for a Brawl today? I'm available anytime.
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I'm in
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anybody wanna Brawl?
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anybody wanna Brawl?
I would, but I have school to do... and Chuck is coming on soon, so...