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Offline mac6375

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Redemption Digital
« on: January 07, 2022, 01:57:29 AM »
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I've been a fan of the Redemption CCG for at least 15 years, although I honestly don't really know how to play. I was wondering if there's a possibility we could ever get a digital version like numerous other card and board games have?

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Re: Redemption Digital
« Reply #1 on: January 07, 2022, 11:39:21 AM »
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There have been many attempts to create a digital Redemption game, however the game itself simply doesn't translate well due to its rule structure; it's an extremely difficult game to program and would likely need to be completely overhauled.

That, and the game doesn't currently have enough players to justify the cost of creating a digital version.

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Re: Redemption Digital
« Reply #2 on: January 07, 2022, 09:55:02 PM »
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I've been a fan of the Redemption CCG for at least 15 years, although I honestly don't really know how to play. I was wondering if there's a possibility we could ever get a digital version like numerous other card and board games have?

You could always play via Lackey or Untap with digital cards.
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Re: Redemption Digital
« Reply #3 on: January 08, 2022, 04:47:40 AM »
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I've tried Lackey and I got lost and I've actually never heard of Untap. Definitely disappointing that it'd need to be overhauled and that there's a lack of enough players. As a dad with 2 toddlers, digital versions have been a blessing.

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Re: Redemption Digital
« Reply #4 on: May 25, 2022, 11:40:09 PM »
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Risking a slight Necro-post because of a conversation I had with my son today.
The tl;dr: He's going to school to be a video game programmer.  Today, he saw a generic Unity program for a card game for sale.  He wondered about the possibility or interest in a Redemption app, so he asked me about it.  I told him there was some buzz a few years ago, but it died out.  I didn't have in depth knowledge as to why.  He said if it was feasible he would want the game to run in style similar to Runeterra (LoL's popular ccg app).

It may always be an impossible venture, but it got me thinking about the possibility enough that I thought I would Necropost with this question...
    ...if Redemption couldn't be directly translated into an app, but would still be possible to make something close to it or vaguely familiar to players?
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Re: Redemption Digital
« Reply #5 on: May 26, 2022, 11:53:09 AM »
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It may always be an impossible venture, but it got me thinking about the possibility enough that I thought I would Necropost with this question...
    ...if Redemption couldn't be directly translated into an app, but would still be possible to make something close to it or vaguely familiar to players?

My $0.02 for what it's worth.

When I first went down the path of creating a Lackey plugin, I just started working on it.  I think this is the case for all of the online projects we have--meaning I don't recall Reth/the folks behind the Table Top Simulator app asking around about whether they should do work to get started with Untap or the Redemption code for TTS. We all just jumped in because we thought it was a good idea and were interested in doing it.  In fact it may have been discouraging to get opinions about whether it is feasible or not before we started.

If your son in interested in creating a Redemption app, he should jump in and try. In the worst case he will learn a ton about game design and coding. In the best case he will be able to give back to the community and have a personal passion project he can add to his portfolio to show to potential employers when he is looking for a job. As a person who has sat on the employer side of the table for numerous developer interviews, I can tell you that having a portfolio of personal projects likes this bumps the candidate way up.

If your son is interested in just chatting about this with someone who has spent some time thinking about and actually building stuff along this line (Lackey plugin, half completed Redemption web app based on the L5R ringteki project), PM me and I can send you my contact info.

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Re: Redemption Digital
« Reply #6 on: May 26, 2022, 07:53:43 PM »
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An app would be great, but I know a lot of interactions within Redemption make it difficult. Things like optional triggers and negates that can ultimately target a card played 3 cards ago make it a bit more difficult than other games. I would certainly start out small and build from there. The new Israel's Deliverance starter decks (K/L) would be the best place to start. So if your son decides to jump into this let me know and I can share some info of the starters to help you guys get started. :)

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Re: Redemption Digital
« Reply #7 on: May 26, 2022, 09:18:40 PM »
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Thanks for the input guys! I asked because he asked, and I didn't follow the past attempts or trailblazing that has happened already that closely.  He wants to make games that people will play, and he also wanted to know if buying the Unreal engine for a card game would be a good investment. (Redemption or not, I told him likely is.)

@MJB, he is planning on building a portfolio, and I think he wants it to be a diverse array of game types.  I'm guessing he picked Redemption because of my heavy involvement in the game and my love for it. I'll talk to him about your offer of advice.

@Crashfach, he didn't stick around the game long enough to see its different interactions.  I have I/J starters..to my knowledge K/L doesn't come out until Nationals.
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Re: Redemption Digital
« Reply #8 on: May 27, 2022, 11:18:05 AM »
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@Crashfach, he didn't stick around the game long enough to see its different interactions.  I have I/J starters..to my knowledge K/L doesn't come out until Nationals.

You are correct, but considering I helped make them, I know everything you would need to know!  ;)

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Re: Redemption Digital
« Reply #9 on: May 27, 2022, 01:30:49 PM »
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@MJB, he is planning on building a portfolio, and I think he wants it to be a diverse array of game types.
Plus-one to him going down that path. Let him know that it will really helps him stand out when he starts looking for a job. The other thing like this is contributing to an open source project that he is interested in.

An app would be great, but I know a lot of interactions within Redemption make it difficult. Things like optional triggers and negates that can ultimately target a card played 3 cards ago make it a bit more difficult than other games. I would certainly start out small and build from there. The new Israel's Deliverance starter decks (K/L) would be the best place to start.
Simple getting Dominants to work correctly would be a huge step forward.
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Re: Redemption Digital
« Reply #10 on: May 27, 2022, 05:10:48 PM »
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Simple getting Dominants to work correctly would be a huge step forward.

Chronicles alone would be a tough challange already I guess ...