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Questions: Shopping for XBox 360
« on: February 28, 2010, 03:25:29 PM »
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Hey friends,

I am beginning to shop around for an XBox 360 in preparation for the time when I am jobless after graduation.  I am wanting to buy it new, sealed, in box, etc...

What price should I expect to pay for the standard console+controller+beginning game package?

How reliable are websites such as Ebay and Amazon for purchasing game consoles?

I prefer RPGs as far as games go, do you have any suggestions?

How does the XBox Live work for somebody like me who isn't going to want to play online very much?  Would I have to get Live to be able to access down-loadable content?

Would I be better served getting a PS3?  I don't want to have both, especially since I've already got a Wii.

Thanks for your help.
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« Reply #1 on: February 28, 2010, 04:25:39 PM »
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RPGs?


Oblivion
[some EA and Bioware titles I can't mention around young ears]


I'd look into reviews on those though.
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« Reply #2 on: February 28, 2010, 06:35:51 PM »
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After doing a small amount of online shopping I am wondering what the difference is between the 360 Arcade, 360 Pro, and 360 Elite.

Also, would I have to worry about the red ring of death, or is that something that only happens to older Xbox?
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« Reply #3 on: February 28, 2010, 07:33:03 PM »
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The Red Ring of Death is really random some times you only get it once other times you get it like 4 times in a row. Imo all you need is the pro. Just make sure you which ever one you buy it has a harddrive is 99% of games need a hard drive for you to play it.

Also all of those RPGs that Alex said are very good some other good ones are Too Human and Lost Oddyses. (Cant spell for beans on that last game so... yeah...)
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« Reply #4 on: February 28, 2010, 07:36:15 PM »
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Arcade doesnt come with the HDMI hookup that allows your 360 to play its games in HD (assuming you have an HDTV). There is another difference I believe, but I can not recall. Elite the same package as Pro (which includes the HDMI hookup) but the XBox hardrive has been upgraded to 120 GB (as opposed to 20 GB in a standard Pro package).

MKC can correct any discrepencies my post may have with the actual facts.

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Re: Questions: Shopping for XBox 360
« Reply #5 on: February 28, 2010, 07:51:46 PM »
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Hey friends,

I am beginning to shop around for an XBox 360 in preparation for the time when I am jobless after graduation.  I am wanting to buy it new, sealed, in box, etc...

1. What price should I expect to pay for the standard console+controller+beginning game package?

2. How reliable are websites such as Ebay and Amazon for purchasing game consoles?

3. I prefer RPGs as far as games go, do you have any suggestions?

4. How does the XBox Live work for somebody like me who isn't going to want to play online very much?  Would I have to get Live to be able to access down-loadable content?

5. Would I be better served getting a PS3?  I don't want to have both, especially since I've already got a Wii.

Thanks for your help.

6. After doing a small amount of online shopping I am wondering what the difference is between the 360 Arcade, 360 Pro, and 360 Elite.

7. Also, would I have to worry about the red ring of death, or is that something that only happens to older Xbox?

1. if by 'standard' you mean just the basic package, the arcade retails for $199.99 and pretty much comes with everything to hit the ground running...controller, a small memory unit, etc.

2. ebay and amazon have always been reliable ways to save a few extra bucks on consoles/games.

3. alex has made some excellent suggestions.

4. not necessarily. xbox live silver comes standard and free with every xbox console...simply connect your console with an internet connection and you're good to go. you can access downloadable content and some other online features free of charge. however, xbox live gold is necessary to actually play videogames online (like online multiplayer), and that does cost money.

5. depends on what you want. you express an interest in rpgs, which xbox 360 delivers well (while ps3 does not). ps3 also has a pretty limited library in terms of exclusive critically acclaimed games. however, ps3 would be good if you want a decent blu-ray player at a decent price, as well as free online multiplayer.

6. arcade: no hard drive, wireless controller, 256 mb memory card, composite a/v cable, no headset, no hdmi port, no ethernet cable. $199.99
pro: microsoft no longer produces these. if you would buy a refurbished one from here at gamestop (all we have left), it would come with: 20 gb hard drive, headset, component a/v cable, ethernet cable, 2 wireless controllers, hdmi port. $199.99
elite: 120 gb hard drive, wireless controller, component a/v cable, headeset, ethernet cable, hdmi port. $299.99

7. this occurs mostly in older 360's. while there is still a probability it can occur, its usually more because of the user than the console itself (it has to do with the console overheating and melting the clamps on the graphics card; proper placement of the 360 helps deter this). i have had at least 5 360's over my lifetime, and all but my latest has rrod'd. my understanding is microsoft started producing better chips sometime during 2007, which is the time my last console came from, so its understandable all my consoles before my current one have rrod'd.

8. shameless plug #1: gamestop is currently offering a deal that if you buy a new xbox 360 console with that new RPG at the same time, you get $30 off. might be an option since you're looking for a new 360 and rpg's (of which that is simply one of the best).
shameless plug #2: until 3/14, gamestop is offering 50% extra trade-in credit for ALL games, in what is inargueabley our biggest trade-in event ever. you can get quite a bit of money for some of the games you dont play anymore.
« Last Edit: March 02, 2010, 09:39:45 AM by Master KChief »
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Re: Questions: Shopping for XBox 360
« Reply #6 on: February 28, 2010, 07:55:38 PM »
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Arcade doesnt come with the HDMI hookup that allows your 360 to play its games in HD (assuming you have an HDTV). There is another difference I believe, but I can not recall. Elite the same package as Pro (which includes the HDMI hookup) but the XBox hardrive has been upgraded to 120 GB (as opposed to 20 GB in a standard Pro package).

you are correct, the arcade does not come with the hdmi port, but its games can still be played in HD (just not with the composite cable that comes with the arcade system...you'd have to go out and buy a component cable to experience HD). and yes, the elite is basically the exact same as the pro, just a bigger hard drive. but, like i said, microsoft no longer produces pro systems, so you would be hard-pressed to find a brand-new pro system sold anywhere.
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« Reply #7 on: March 01, 2010, 02:45:15 PM »
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Thanks, you're advice is much appreciated.  :)  I knew I could count on MKC.

Follow-up question.  Is there any news of a new Microsoft system coming out?  I'd probably end up waiting for the newest console if that were the case, depending on release date expectations.
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« Reply #8 on: March 01, 2010, 06:58:59 PM »
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nothing revealed so far. usually the prospect of a new console is announced at least a year before it comes out, but there really hasnt been any definitive word from any of the 3 industry giants. there has been rumor the new nintendo console will be released next year (2011), and finally, will be an HD system. however, it might just be an extension of the current wii system, as it has been dubbed the 'wii hd'. sony has been expected to first break into the next-gen systems by releasing a console this year, but that seems unlikely. in fact, it was found out recently sony created 2 filings through the FCC for 2 more ps3's to be released this year. microsoft has been going full-force with project natal, which seems to be its baby right now. it has also been stated by microsoft that project natal is pretty much a system of its own (even though it seems to be an add-on to the 360), so its life expectancy is expected to reach until 2015, and does not plan on releasing a new console until then. this lines up with the fact microsoft has not announced a new console...which would normally be odd since most consoles are released in 5 year cycles as a general rule of thumb (ps1: 1995, ps2: 2000, ps3: 2006; n64: 1996, gamecube: 2001, wii: 2006; xbox: 2001, 360: 2005). if anything further will be announced, it will be in june at e3, which i will bring word back if i attend again this year. in the meantime, it would be a good idea to buy a 360...its going into its prime, and theres still 5 years life left. :)
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Re: Questions: Shopping for XBox 360
« Reply #9 on: March 01, 2010, 10:10:03 PM »
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Hey kchief! Besides halo wars are there any good rts games?
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« Reply #10 on: March 01, 2010, 10:12:02 PM »
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Not on consoles ( at least that I have heard about ).

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« Reply #11 on: March 01, 2010, 10:18:53 PM »
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of the rts' on 360, i believe the most notable ones are the c&c series, lotr: bfme, and civilization revolution. culdcept saga is also a lesser-known but sleeper-hit, combining rts and ccg into one (i will hardly ever say no to a videogame that implements cards into it).
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« Reply #12 on: March 01, 2010, 10:41:26 PM »
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I shall keep an eye out for those. I lucked into a 360 for my bday and grabbed Halo wars off the bat.
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« Reply #13 on: March 01, 2010, 11:07:24 PM »
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Lotr BFME 2 is the best one if you can find it BUY IT! C&C 3 and Wrath of Kane are the second best of the system both run fast and are very fun. C&C Red what ever is also good  but is not as good as the other two. Supreme Comander and Universe at War are also very good and you can find them very cheap though they are both Laggy. If you dont mind the occasional lag though they both beat out C&C by a mile.

Imo Civilization is not a RTS it is a Strategy game.

I have also played all these games and would recomend them you can also find them very cheap.  :)
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« Reply #14 on: March 02, 2010, 12:00:08 AM »
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I shall keep an eye out for those. I lucked into a 360 for my bday and grabbed Halo wars off the bat.

nice. i havent played halo wars ever since a certain fps launched on 11/10 of last year, and as a result, have lost my #1 ranked 3v3 unarranged crown and dropped down to 2nd in the world. i've been looking for an excuse to get back into halo wars, but being occupied with all the great new games coming out every week is keeping me plenty busy. maybe one day. :)

halo wars also gets a nod from me because it is the only non m-rated game in the series, so its a great way to get under the radar of those super ultra rightwing conservatives that cry at the slightest drop of blood in a mature rated game. :)
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« Reply #15 on: March 02, 2010, 09:15:15 AM »
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Civ is turn based not real time

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« Reply #16 on: March 02, 2010, 09:43:15 AM »
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Civ is turn based not real time
Turn bases strategy? TBS? Sounds like a new tv station

I shall keep an eye out for those. I lucked into a 360 for my bday and grabbed Halo wars off the bat.

nice. i havent played halo wars lately, and as a result, have lost my #1 ranked 3v3 unarranged crown and dropped down to 2nd in the world. i've been looking for an excuse to get back into halo wars, but being occupied with all the great new games coming out every week is keeping me plenty busy. maybe one day. :)
Yeah with the amount of games on the XBOX (especially with your love of FPS ;) ) Its no surprise you fell behind in it. Though 1 thing about HWars I was a bit saddened by, no ability to play as the flood.
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« Reply #17 on: March 02, 2010, 09:53:45 AM »
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yeah, playing as the flood has been discussed heavily ever since the game came out. lots of people would have liked to play as a third faction...and really, who doesnt want a bit more variety with only 2 factions and 6 leaders. there has been talk that they will be playable in hw2, though...

thankfully, each leader has a lot of depth to him/her. even playing as one of the weaker ones gets fun every once in awhile. you should have been around when hw first came out before all the updates and patches. prophet of regret, while now pretty weak and slower than a grizzly in mollasses, was undisputably one of the most powerful in the game because he was way faster at tech 1 and 2. ah, the good ol' days. :)
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« Reply #18 on: March 02, 2010, 11:13:11 AM »
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yeah, playing as the flood has been discussed heavily ever since the game came out. lots of people would have liked to play as a third faction...and really, who doesnt want a bit more variety with only 2 factions and 6 leaders. there has been talk that they will be playable in hw2, though...

thankfully, each leader has a lot of depth to him/her. even playing as one of the weaker ones gets fun every once in awhile. you should have been around when hw first came out before all the updates and patches. prophet of regret, while now pretty weak and slower than a grizzly in mollasses, was undisputably one of the most powerful in the game because he was way faster at tech 1 and 2. ah, the good ol' days. :)
Yeah, I've been trying out the leaders today, lotsa fun. Gotta say the arbiter is my fave atm, not because he is a good leader but because he has goblin sappers, I mean suicide grunts.
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« Reply #19 on: March 02, 2010, 07:40:11 PM »
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arbiter is so beast. he is easily the hardest leader to contain if you dont come prepared (disruptor bomb, jackals, etc.). i dont know how effective he is now though since he now takes 25% more damage when hes raging (title update #4), but i know he was an absolute beast back in the day. suicide grunts are so evil too. very effective for rushing early against unsc and keeping their tech level always low (it only takes 3 sg's to take out a single reactor), allowing you to over-tech the unsc. against covie, they're also very good if you go the boom strategy...mass an entire army of suicide grunts, tech your arby to level 3 (allowing it to go invisible), sit your arby in front of a covie base, teleport all your sg's in at the same time, then make your sg's target the part of the covie base where units come out of. bye-bye base. :)
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« Reply #20 on: March 03, 2010, 07:51:51 PM »
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just an addendum on the impact of the 50% extra promotion thing we have going on now...i had a guy come in today and trade in only four nintendo ds games...and get a whopping ONE HUNDRED SIXTEEN DOLLARS IN TRADE-IN CREDIT!!! given, they were some fairly popular ones (zelda: spirit tracks (22.5), new super mario bros (16), pokemon platinum (16), and mario kart ds (16)), but the 50% extra + 10% extra from our edge card REALLY ADDS ALOT. trading in games you no longer play could really help you in scoring that 360 pretty easily sean. this goes on until the 14th, so get those games in while you can! :)
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« Reply #21 on: March 11, 2010, 11:05:41 AM »
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Okay, question, does anyone know any good MP games that can be played on one Xbox? My bro and I were gonna play halo wars thinking co-op was for one system but :( alas no dice.
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« Reply #22 on: March 11, 2010, 08:11:50 PM »
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sure, if you have friends to play with. the lack of a matchmaking system makes it absolutely fail.

the only reason im keeping it around is for the may 3rd beta of reach.
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« Reply #23 on: March 11, 2010, 08:36:45 PM »
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I got one off Ebay for $271.  I starting to sell games also and while trading in is nice I usually am able to sell them for more than the trade in value.  I was trying to find where the trade in value is calculated on the gamestop website but couldn't find it.  I used it before but now it seems to be gone.
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« Reply #24 on: March 11, 2010, 08:59:29 PM »
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excellent. which version did you buy?
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« Reply #25 on: March 12, 2010, 01:37:01 AM »
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I got the holiday bundle from last Christmas still new in box with warranty: Elite 120 GB with Lego Batman and PURE.  I'm probably going to get rid of the two games because they don't interest me at all.  I got that one game that starts with a "D" and ends with "ragon Age" for $38 sealed new in box as well as said game's expansion that releases on the 16th for just $39.

Side question: Why aren't we allowed to say game names?  That seems stupid to me.
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« Reply #26 on: March 12, 2010, 02:01:36 AM »
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ive always wondered that myself. i feel as long as we don't go in-depth about a m-rated game, then that should be ok. a name is not m-rated...the content is. apparantly some individuals are narrow-minded.
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« Reply #27 on: March 12, 2010, 09:05:02 AM »
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my only complaint about halo wars is it dosen't have a pc version.  there hasn't been a new rts game now in a couple years (unless civilization came up with one),  The fact that ensemble studios dosen't help much either.  star craft 3 come sometime before 2020

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« Reply #28 on: March 12, 2010, 11:33:17 AM »
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apparantly some individuals are narrow-minded well under the appropriate age as stated on the front of the box.

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« Reply #29 on: March 12, 2010, 12:13:00 PM »
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ive always wondered that myself. i feel as long as we don't go in-depth about a m-rated game, then that should be ok. a name is not m-rated...the content is. apparantly some individuals are narrow-minded.
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« Reply #30 on: March 12, 2010, 01:03:29 PM »
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I read it before you highlighted it.  It doesn't change the response, nor does it change the policy that predates my assignment to uphold it.

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« Reply #31 on: March 12, 2010, 01:50:25 PM »
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Hey, I have a good idea.  Let's print cards of Biblical characters like Jezebel, Bathsheba, and Eve so 7 year old kids can look at soft porn.

The above statement is exactly why we need a sarcasm function akin to the quote function.
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« Reply #32 on: March 12, 2010, 02:07:04 PM »
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I don't think Rob would feel that the boards would benefit from encouraging behavior that tears down other people to make a point.

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« Reply #33 on: March 12, 2010, 02:17:39 PM »
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Tearing down of persons was not intended.  The aforementioned cards present a more harmful environment than does saying the names of M-rated games.
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« Reply #34 on: March 12, 2010, 02:32:01 PM »
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Tearing down of persons was not intended.

That is what sarcasm does by design.  The only form of sarcasm that does not is the self-deprecating kind.

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The aforementioned cards present a more harmful environment than does saying the names of M-rated games.

That is your subjective assessment, which is not a matter for debate here, nor is this a negotiation to set the policy.  It is not the job of this board to determine what amount of exposure the children of other parents should have to adult material.  We filter our content to a level appropriate to the lower age range of visitors and whatever the parents want to do beyond that is their purview, not ours.

Leaving all of that aside, your example pushes the age of the example child (7) below that for which Redemption itself is recommended (8), and the only examples you have are 15 year old cards that are mostly out of print.  I invite you to consider whether there might be a reason that brand of artwork has not perpetuated or resurfaced, despite their more-or-less innocuous presentation.

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« Reply #35 on: March 12, 2010, 02:37:07 PM »
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I invite you to consider whether there might be a reason that brand of artwork has not perpetuated or resurfaced, despite their more-or-less innocuous presentation.

not true. faithful servant promo is very provocative.

hey, i have an idea: much like how off-topic has open discussion to discuss more mature material, why not have the video game section have a similiar function where those of age are allowed to discuss m-rated games?
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« Reply #36 on: March 12, 2010, 02:41:35 PM »
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hey, i have an idea: much like how off-topic has open discussion to discuss more mature material, why not have the video game section have a similiar function where those of age are allowed to discuss m-rated games?

If you stop and think very carefully about the foundation of your question, I think you'll find that your solution is staring you in the face.

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« Reply #37 on: March 12, 2010, 02:44:44 PM »
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so, again...

hey, i have an idea: much like how off-topic has open discussion to discuss more mature material, why not have the video game section have a similiar function where those of age are allowed to discuss m-rated games?
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« Reply #38 on: March 12, 2010, 02:46:01 PM »
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Asking the same question will yield the same response.

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« Reply #39 on: March 12, 2010, 02:48:55 PM »
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when someone asks a question, they expect an answer, not a 'figure it out for yourself' essentially. you can either tell me the answer, or you can keep going in circles.

so, hey, again, putting this out there for those capable of actually answering...

hey, i have an idea: much like how off-topic has open discussion to discuss more mature material, why not have the video game section have a similiar function where those of age are allowed to discuss m-rated games?
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« Reply #40 on: March 12, 2010, 02:55:44 PM »
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I am the only one capable of addressing your question other than Rob, and you have your answer.  The policy regarding age-appropriate video games is not going to be altered, and no  additional  boards to address age-sensitive material are going to be created.

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« Reply #41 on: March 15, 2010, 05:44:34 PM »
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Did I have a post deleted?  I could have sworn I posted something else.
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« Reply #42 on: March 15, 2010, 05:51:38 PM »
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Did I have a post deleted?  I could have sworn I posted something else.

I've noticed several posts that have gone missing, and some posts that I had read before were marked as new. Just a consequence of Schaef crashing the server I guess*...





*Sorry, I couldn't resist. I figured we had to have someone to blame. Why not Schaef?  ;)
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« Reply #43 on: March 15, 2010, 08:00:57 PM »
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Did I have a post deleted?  I could have sworn I posted something else.

me too. i believe it was something about bathsheba, jezebel, delilah, and whore of babylon.
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Re: Questions: Shopping for XBox 360
« Reply #44 on: March 15, 2010, 08:33:11 PM »
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Enough.

 


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