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Title: Aug/Sep Hearthstone Tournament - Round 4 begins! - Cancelled
Post by: browarod on July 31, 2014, 03:27:29 PM
The August/September Tournament
The July tournament was great fun and I wanted to start another one right away since we had some interest beyond the 8 players in the tournament last month.

Deck Guidelines/Restrictions:
-No restrictions this month.

Participants:
-browarod (Lashen#1485)
-soul seeker (SoulSeeker7#1684)
-Lampy 2.0 (TheDoctor#1648)
-Lawfuldog (Lawfuldog#1874)
-Marti (ProfFaridoon#1925)
-MKC (MasterKChief#1390)

Format:
-Double elimination.
-Each round is best of 5 games. You can play all 5, or until someone has 3 wins, up to you.
-Final round will be best of 7 games.

Prizes:
-First Place: One Phase 1 Early Church pack, or $5 credit to Three Lions Gaming

Bracket, Matchups, and Results:
http://challonge.com/RedHearthAug14

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Round 4 has begun!
-MKC and Soul Seeker are up this round.
Title: Re: Keep it Secret - Aug Hearthstone Tournament - Register now!
Post by: Warrior_Monk on July 31, 2014, 03:39:08 PM
Yep.

Aww, Flare is banned?! :(
Title: Re: Keep it Secret - Aug Hearthstone Tournament - Register now!
Post by: Chris on July 31, 2014, 03:45:01 PM
I'm in.
Title: Re: Keep it Secret - Aug Hearthstone Tournament - Register now!
Post by: browarod on July 31, 2014, 03:45:13 PM
Aww, Flare is banned?! :(
Yeah, MKC and I were talking last night and we deemed that best because I'm hoping people will try all sorts of decks rather than everyone playing hunter for Flare to foil their opponent's Secrets.
-If someone has a reason why Flare is not overpowered in this month's format please feel free to post it as I'm more than open to reconsidering.

I'm in.
Excellent! What's your BattleTag so I can add it to the first post for reference?
Title: Re: Keep it Secret - Aug Hearthstone Tournament - Register now!
Post by: Drrek on July 31, 2014, 04:28:15 PM
Hooray for freeze mage.  Yeah that is my absolute least favorite deck to play against, so I'm sitting this one out.
Title: Re: Keep it Secret - Aug Hearthstone Tournament - Register now!
Post by: browarod on July 31, 2014, 05:52:19 PM
Hooray for freeze mage.  Yeah that is my absolute least favorite deck to play against, so I'm sitting this one out.
Sorry to hear that. I'll be doing a different theme for the next tournament so feel free to check back then. :P
Title: Re: Keep it Secret - Aug Hearthstone Tournament - Register now!
Post by: soul seeker on July 31, 2014, 09:04:27 PM
I will play again seeing that my Mage and Hunter are my primary 2 decks. 

No other cap on cards or build restrictions then?
Title: Re: Keep it Secret - Aug Hearthstone Tournament - Register now!
Post by: Warrior_Monk on August 01, 2014, 12:51:18 AM
Yeah, I really don't see how frost mage doesn't own this format without flare. Face hunter is good, but it can come up short.
Title: Re: Keep it Secret - Aug Hearthstone Tournament - Register now!
Post by: Master KChief on August 01, 2014, 01:14:38 AM
But then Hunter will always own Mage if Flare was legal. Flare on lethal, gg. It's a Catch 22 either way.

Then there's Pally off to the side eating glue because their secrets are terrible.
Title: Re: Keep it Secret - Aug Hearthstone Tournament - Register now!
Post by: browarod on August 01, 2014, 09:43:21 AM
Would it help if hunter decks could use 1 Flare rather than 2 or 0? I'm hoping to keep it as balanced as possible so that people can be free to use any of the Heroes and still have a chance.
Title: Re: Keep it Secret - Aug Hearthstone Tournament - Register now!
Post by: Lampy 2.0 on August 01, 2014, 01:00:27 PM
Sign me up, Captain!  :D
Title: Re: Keep it Secret - Aug Hearthstone Tournament - Register now!
Post by: Lawfuldog on August 01, 2014, 02:21:29 PM
Limiting it to only 3 of the heroes makes it less appealing as well. (I'm even an Ice Mage player, but even I know that it isn't a fun time for the other person)

Could always try a tournament built on the format that most Hearthstone tournaments run -- You must switch to a different Hero if you lose, and if you win then you must play the same deck the following round. That way the blind pick matchup isn't a hard-counter for all of the games. (It also makes people play with a more diverse set of decks, and requires a wider knowledge of the game to figure out "what do I pick against Hand-Lock?" and similar tactics)
Title: Re: Keep it Secret - Aug Hearthstone Tournament - Register now!
Post by: Master KChief on August 01, 2014, 03:40:58 PM
While I was and am still a strong proponent behind being able to switch Heroes if you lose, some or most people participating do not have the expanded collections necessary to create 3 or 4 different Hero decks. However, I still think it is necessary to prevent blowouts from Heroes that naturally matchup poorly against others.

I also would like to see the option of a player being able to ban a Hero from the opponent before the match starts.
Title: Re: Keep it Secret - Aug Hearthstone Tournament - Register now!
Post by: browarod on August 01, 2014, 03:46:36 PM
Lawfuldog and MKC, if I were to completely throw out the current theme, how exactly would you word your ideas to put into the first post? I'm all for including as many people as possible and the current theme doesn't seem too popular so I'm willing to change.
Title: Re: Keep it Secret - Aug Hearthstone Tournament - Register now!
Post by: Chris on August 01, 2014, 05:11:40 PM
I'm not sure we need a major rule change outside of maybe what Lawfuldog suggested. Naxx should keep the meta fresh enough for the next month that we should be able to run this month without mixing things up with extra rules or restrictions.

I also would like to see the option of a player being able to ban a Hero from the opponent before the match starts.

For a casual tournament like this, I think this is a bad idea. I don't have the time, money, or skill in Arena to invest in more than one Hero, and the one I'm using right now isn't even completed yet, despite having played Hearthstone fairly regularly since March. If someone bans my choice Hero, I'm left playing a basic no cost deck. Really, it's not even worth it to me to enter the tournament if that rule is put in place because I'll just get slaughtered the moment my opponent chooses my Hero to ban. I think that that is going to benefit people like you and Blake who can consistently run free Arenas, and the rest of us will be severely disadvantaged because of it.
Title: Re: Keep it Secret - Aug Hearthstone Tournament - Register now!
Post by: Warrior_Monk on August 01, 2014, 07:22:23 PM
We could just use Hearthstone tournament structure within this and say you have to use all 3 classes in a best of 5 scenario.  It at least forces some variety.
Title: Re: Aug Hearthstone Tournament - Register now! - Revamped Deckbuilding!
Post by: browarod on August 01, 2014, 08:40:18 PM
Deckbuilding restrictions and theme have been lifted due to lack of popularity. This tournament will have the same rules as last tournament, with the exception of Lawfuldog's ideas regarding keeping/changing Heroes after rounds based on the result.

MKC and Lawfuldog, are you guys wanting in this month?
Title: Re: Keep it Secret - Aug Hearthstone Tournament - Register now!
Post by: Master KChief on August 01, 2014, 09:13:53 PM
Quote
I also would like to see the option of a player being able to ban a Hero from the opponent before the match starts.

For a casual tournament like this, I think this is a bad idea. I don't have the time, money, or skill in Arena to invest in more than one Hero, and the one I'm using right now isn't even completed yet, despite having played Hearthstone fairly regularly since March. If someone bans my choice Hero, I'm left playing a basic no cost deck. Really, it's not even worth it to me to enter the tournament if that rule is put in place because I'll just get slaughtered the moment my opponent chooses my Hero to ban. I think that that is going to benefit people like you and Blake who can consistently run free Arenas, and the rest of us will be severely disadvantaged because of it.

It is one additional deck you would have to register under the normal tournament guidelines of registering three. You are still stuck in the same boat of not being able to compete at all with your one Hero if the tournament structure is changed to 3 different Hero decks with the loser changing between rounds. Again, as I've already mentioned, these tournament variations would not be for everyone as everyone does not have enough to construct 3 or 4 decks. But ideally that is the tournament structure I would like to see. It basically comes down to do we make the overall tournament more fair by eliminating unfavorable Hero vs Hero blowouts, or do we eliminate alienating some players from the tournament.
Title: Re: Aug Hearthstone Tournament - Register now! - Revamped Deckbuilding!
Post by: browarod on August 01, 2014, 09:18:12 PM
I think I'd like to try what the new rules are this month and we can see how it goes. We'll have more tournaments in later months to tweak it further if something doesn't work out this month.
Title: Re: Aug Hearthstone Tournament - Register now! - Revamped Deckbuilding!
Post by: Lawfuldog on August 02, 2014, 04:50:32 PM
I'm in for this month (totally forgot to put that in my post). My battletag is Lawfuldog#1874

I'm pretty bad about checking the boards consistently, so feel free to message me in Hearthstone if I'm playing you or something. But I'll do my best to check at least once a day or so.
Title: Re: Aug Hearthstone Tournament - Register now! - Revamped Deckbuilding!
Post by: Warrior_Monk on August 02, 2014, 07:10:36 PM
Are we removing the legendary restriction?
Title: Re: Aug Hearthstone Tournament - Register now! - Revamped Deckbuilding!
Post by: browarod on August 03, 2014, 11:38:11 AM
Are we removing the legendary restriction?
For this month yes. There are plenty of useful decks that don't use legendaries that people with smaller collections should still be able to make competitive decks. We'll see how it goes and evaluate again for the next one.
Title: Re: Aug Hearthstone Tournament - Register now! - Revamped Deckbuilding!
Post by: Lawfuldog on August 03, 2014, 05:31:02 PM
Good, good. Because I definitely went and stuck Loatheb in literally every single deck I have.

It's so good.
Title: Re: Aug/Sep Hearthstone Tournament - Register now! - Revamped Deckbuilding!
Post by: browarod on August 12, 2014, 11:23:11 AM
My apologies for the delay in this, had some life stuff that came up.

We'll start this on Friday 8/15/14 and it may go into September depending on how long people take for each round.

Currently we have 6 participants. Any further sign-ups need to be in before Friday.
Title: Re: Aug/Sep Hearthstone Tournament - Register now! - Revamped Deckbuilding!
Post by: TheMarti on August 12, 2014, 02:06:55 PM
I'll hop in, why the heck not. :)
Title: Re: Aug/Sep Hearthstone Tournament - Register now! - Revamped Deckbuilding!
Post by: browarod on August 12, 2014, 05:06:07 PM
I'll hop in, why the heck not. :)
Hooray!

If we can get one more person (*cough*MKC or Drrek*cough*) we can eliminate byes and have an even tournament. If not, there will be some byes throughout to even things out.
Title: Re: Aug/Sep Hearthstone Tournament - Register now! - Revamped Deckbuilding!
Post by: Master KChief on August 12, 2014, 08:14:30 PM
I think you may have misinterpreted what we meant about switching decks. In normal tournaments the loser of a game switches to a different deck within the round, not between rounds. So in order to play a bo5 series, a person would need to register at least 3 decks to use for each round. Or maybe it was intentional for you to allow players to switch decks between rounds, I don't know. In that case the tournament structure is no different than last months.
Title: Re: Aug/Sep Hearthstone Tournament - Register now! - Revamped Deckbuilding!
Post by: Lampy 2.0 on August 12, 2014, 08:23:09 PM
Because I forgot to post this, I go by TheDoctor#1648 on Battle.net.
Title: Re: Aug/Sep Hearthstone Tournament - Register now! - Revamped Deckbuilding!
Post by: browarod on August 12, 2014, 10:45:59 PM
I think you may have misinterpreted what we meant about switching decks. In normal tournaments the loser of a game switches to a different deck within the round, not between rounds. So in order to play a bo5 series, a person would need to register at least 3 decks to use for each round. Or maybe it was intentional for you to allow players to switch decks between rounds, I don't know. In that case the tournament structure is no different than last months.
I think you're right, I did misunderstand. But, I didn't see any problems with the structure of last month so I see no reason not to use it again. :P

Any chance you want to participate again?
Title: Re: Aug/Sep Hearthstone Tournament - Register now! - Starting 8/15
Post by: Master KChief on August 12, 2014, 11:17:22 PM
Well, the problem last month was certain Heroes being blown out from bad matchups against certain other Heroes. For instance, Zoo will always match up poorly against Face Hunter and Mage. Mage is horrendous against Control Warrior. Control Warrior does horrible against Zoo. There is little point in playing b05 with the same deck because whereas b05 is meant to reduce the amount of variance and luck factor in general, playing with the exact same deck in matches with odds stacked in favor of only one person does not encourage that at all. The idea behind switching decks within the round is akin to Hearthstones best implementation of sideboarding.

When will the tournament start? If no one else signs up by that time, I will step in to circumvent byes.
Title: Re: Aug/Sep Hearthstone Tournament - Register now! - Starting 8/15
Post by: browarod on August 12, 2014, 11:47:17 PM
It'll start this Friday.

I'm fine with removing the restriction of using the same deck for all games in a round. I don't think I want to require people to change, as some only have 1 good Hero, but if people want to switch I don't see a problem with that (and like you said, it can be detrimental if they can't).
Title: Re: Aug/Sep Hearthstone Tournament - Round 1 begins! - 8/15 - 8/22
Post by: browarod on August 15, 2014, 09:55:49 AM
Round 1 has begun!
-Reminder to all players: Rounds are best of 5 games and this month you are NOT restricted to using the same deck for each game in a round. Check the Challonge site for pairings and both players must post results once they are determined. Good luck and play well!

MKC, I added you as the 8th participant per your request but please let me know if you'd prefer to not participate.

Chris, if you could post your BattleTag so I can add it to the list in the first post that'd be great!
Title: Re: Aug/Sep Hearthstone Tournament - Round 1 begins! - 8/15 - 8/22
Post by: TheMarti on August 18, 2014, 07:04:13 PM
Lawful kicked my butt to the next country, 3-0.
Title: Re: Aug/Sep Hearthstone Tournament - Round 1 begins! - 8/15 - 8/22
Post by: soul seeker on August 19, 2014, 12:36:45 AM
I won the series against Lambo 3-1.
Title: Re: Aug/Sep Hearthstone Tournament - Round 1 begins! - 8/15 - 8/22
Post by: Lampy 2.0 on August 19, 2014, 12:48:39 AM
I won the series against Lambo 3-1.
Actually, it was me, Lampy.
I'm confirming this game. Soulseeker is a great player! :)
Title: Re: Aug/Sep Hearthstone Tournament - Round 1 begins! - 8/15 - 8/22
Post by: soul seeker on August 19, 2014, 01:49:25 AM
I won the series against Lambo 3-1.
Actually, it was me, Lampy.
I'm confirming this game. Soulseeker is a great player! :)

Doh!  sorry.   :-[
Title: Re: Aug/Sep Hearthstone Tournament - Round 1 begins! - 8/15 - 8/22
Post by: browarod on August 19, 2014, 10:35:08 AM
Scores updated for games posted above. I have yet to hear from Westy/MKC regarding their match and Chris hasn't gotten back to me with availability yet so our match is still pending also.
Title: Re: Aug/Sep Hearthstone Tournament - Round 1 begins! - 8/15 - 8/22
Post by: Warrior_Monk on August 20, 2014, 10:05:41 PM
I'm going to have to drop out this round. Computer's getting fixed and I won't have one until the end of the week (if I'm lucky).
Title: Re: Aug/Sep Hearthstone Tournament - Round 1 begins! - 8/15 - 8/22
Post by: Lawfuldog on August 20, 2014, 10:25:47 PM
Lawful kicked my butt to the next country, 3-0.

Good games though! I still gotta get me a golden Hero... one day...  :P
Title: Re: Aug/Sep Hearthstone Tournament - Round 1 begins! - 8/15 - 8/22
Post by: browarod on August 21, 2014, 10:36:55 AM
I'm going to have to drop out this round. Computer's getting fixed and I won't have one until the end of the week (if I'm lucky).
Sorry to hear that, but thanks for letting me know. Good luck with your computer!

Bracket has been updated, MKC might automatically move to round 2 depending on: If Chris doesn't reply to me by tomorrow night I'll also have to deactivate him in which case I'll have to see how the bracket changes and may just restart it with 6 instead of 8 (all completed matches will still count, I'll rearrange the seed so that the same matchups occur again).

Please stay tuned for updates on Round 2!
Title: Re: Aug/Sep Hearthstone Tournament - Round 1 begins! - 8/15 - 8/22
Post by: Chris on August 21, 2014, 07:39:18 PM
Sorry, I need to back out. I completely forgot about this, and I have that whole college deal now.
Title: Re: Aug/Sep Hearthstone Tournament - Round 2 begins! - 8/22 - 8/29
Post by: browarod on August 22, 2014, 10:35:26 AM
Sorry, I need to back out. I completely forgot about this, and I have that whole college deal now.
Alrighty, thanks for letting me know. And good luck with college!

Bracket has been restarted to run for 6 players, but completed results have been re-imported.

Since both Round 1 games have completed I'm going to go ahead and start Round 2.

Round 2 has begun!
-Marti and Lampy do not have games this round as their next opponents won't be determined until the other 2 games finish (it's a bit off due to only having 6 players). Feel free to play a fun match with each other if you like!
-Reminder to all players: Rounds are best of 5 games. Check the Challonge site for pairings and both players must post results once they are determined. Good luck and play well!
Title: Re: Aug/Sep Hearthstone Tournament - Round 2 begins! - 8/22 - 8/29
Post by: Master KChief on August 22, 2014, 06:03:43 PM
So are we allowed to change decks between games then? Or only between rounds?
Title: Re: Aug/Sep Hearthstone Tournament - Round 2 begins! - 8/22 - 8/29
Post by: browarod on August 22, 2014, 07:17:45 PM
You are allowed to change decks whenever you like, there are no restrictions of any kind on decks this month. If you change decks between games just try to make the choice quickly to not inconvenience your opponent. :P
Title: Re: Aug/Sep Hearthstone Tournament - Round 2 begins! - 8/22 - 8/29
Post by: browarod on August 28, 2014, 09:46:12 PM
Soulseeker and I played our match and he beat me 3-2, though most of the games were pretty close. Each one came down to whether one or the other of us drew AoE, haha.
Title: Re: Aug/Sep Hearthstone Tournament - Round 2 begins! - 8/22 - 8/29
Post by: soul seeker on August 28, 2014, 09:57:54 PM
Soulseeker and I played our match and he beat me 3-2, though most of the games were pretty close. Each one came down to whether one or the other of us drew AoE, haha.
All of the above is true.  Good games and fun.
Title: Re: Aug/Sep Hearthstone Tournament - Round 2 begins! - 8/22 - 8/29
Post by: Master KChief on August 30, 2014, 05:49:58 PM
Beat Lawful 3-1. Good games!
Title: Re: Aug/Sep Hearthstone Tournament - Round 3 begins! - 9/1 - 9/8
Post by: browarod on September 01, 2014, 06:52:00 PM
Round 3 has begun!
-MKC and Soul Seeker have a bye this round. They will have a semifinals matchup, however I'd like to get the "Losers Bracket" caught up before they play their match. Feel free to play a fun match with each other if you like!
-Reminder to all players: Rounds are best of 5 games. Check the Challonge site for pairings and both players must post results once they are determined. Good luck and play well!
Title: Re: Aug/Sep Hearthstone Tournament - Round 3 begins! - 9/1 - 9/8
Post by: browarod on September 09, 2014, 10:07:21 AM
I haven't heard back from my opponent, nor any of the other participants. Are people still interested in this or should we just cancel it completely and try again another month?
Title: Re: Aug/Sep Hearthstone Tournament - Round 3 begins! - 9/1 - 9/8
Post by: TheMarti on September 09, 2014, 10:40:40 AM
Oh, I totally missed messages from you if you sent them! Go ahead and send me a message on battle net if you see me online. :D
Title: Re: Aug/Sep Hearthstone Tournament - Round 3 begins! - 9/1 - 9/8
Post by: browarod on September 09, 2014, 09:44:10 PM
I was able to take a 3-0 win over Marti. Pretty close games, though my decks seemed to start rolling faster, haha.
Title: Re: Aug/Sep Hearthstone Tournament - Round 3 begins! - 9/1 - 9/8
Post by: TheMarti on September 09, 2014, 09:49:48 PM
Yep, pretty much. Good and fun games!
Title: Re: Aug/Sep Hearthstone Tournament - Round 3 begins! - 9/1 - 9/8
Post by: browarod on September 17, 2014, 01:52:06 PM
It's been over a week since Round 3 should have ended (2 weeks since it started) and I haven't heard so much as a peep from Lawfuldog or Lampy so I've been forced to forfeit their positions.

MKC and soul seeker, if you're still interested, you can play your game anytime and we'll move on with the tournament.
Title: Re: Aug/Sep Hearthstone Tournament - Round 4 begins! - MKC and soul seeker
Post by: cooldudejsw on September 24, 2014, 12:31:46 PM
When does the next tournament start? I would be up for participating :)
Title: Re: Aug/Sep Hearthstone Tournament - Round 4 begins! - MKC and soul seeker
Post by: browarod on September 24, 2014, 01:31:15 PM
I'm not sure, to be honest. The interest in this one was less even at first and then a couple people had to drop out, with further people just not posting/updating anymore.

I might do one in October or November. Thanks for your interest! :)
Title: Re: Aug/Sep Hearthstone Tournament - Round 4 begins! - MKC and soul seeker
Post by: soul seeker on September 24, 2014, 01:42:52 PM
MKC and I don't see to be on at the same time to play.
Title: Re: Aug/Sep Hearthstone Tournament - Round 4 begins! - MKC and soul seeker
Post by: Warrior_Monk on September 24, 2014, 08:47:59 PM
I'm not sure, to be honest. The interest in this one was less even at first and then a couple people had to drop out, with further people just not posting/updating anymore.

I might do one in October or November. Thanks for your interest! :)
The only reason I dropped out was because my computer broke.  Definitely still interested.
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