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Title: Fire Emblem vs. Fire Emblem
Post by: Isildur on January 03, 2008, 12:23:34 PM
well im a fan of these games and i was wondering if the Wii Fire Emblem is better or worse then all the older ones. (the English ones)
Title: Re: Fire Emblem vs. Fire Emblem
Post by: legocom11ca on January 03, 2008, 12:25:46 PM
I've never played fire emblem, but my friend keeps telling me to. Perhaps I'll rent the Wii version sometime, since I've heard good things about the series.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem vs. Fire Emblem
Post by: Alex_Olijar on January 03, 2008, 01:08:31 PM
I do not know anytihng about the Wii Version. Try going to http://feantho.ipbfree.com/ (http://feantho.ipbfree.com/) and asking them. I used to frequent this forum, but I now do not play the games as much so I don't go there anymore.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem vs. Fire Emblem
Post by: Tyler Durden (w33b1e) on January 03, 2008, 01:46:43 PM
The first Fire Emblem for GBA is good, the second not so much. And the Gamecube one is horrid.

Fire Emblem is a game that derives it's enjoyment from it's level of difficulty. But the Gamecube installment was so easy that I beat most of it without even taking care to check the range of my opponents characters, and just plowing through.

And according to Gamespot, the Wii version is "punishingly difficult" so I'd say it's going to be better than the Gamecube ones, but it will never touch the GBA ones.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem vs. Fire Emblem
Post by: legocom11ca on January 03, 2008, 02:09:41 PM
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And according to Gamespot, the Wii version is "punishingly difficult" so I'd say it's going to be better than the Gamecube ones, but it will never touch the GBA ones.

Oooo I always liked punishingly difficult.... well to an extent at least ;) I'm the guy that refused to play Halo 3 with anyone else or on anything but Legendary my first time through :P Got more examples but you get the idea.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem vs. Fire Emblem
Post by: ~Jake of the Wolves~ on January 18, 2008, 10:06:44 PM
The GBA games were amazing. I personally prefer FE7(I was a nerd for a while, The Sacred Stones is the eight installment, with six previous games being in Japanese)

I want to get the Wii version, partially because of the long time it's been since I've played the games, and partially because of the amazingness of the game
Title: Re: Fire Emblem vs. Fire Emblem
Post by: TheKarazyvicePresidentRR on December 18, 2008, 06:33:26 AM
Now to necropost this, But with info instead of oh noes I PLAYEDS ITS TOO.
I have been trying to get my hands on any copy of any Fire emblem game, I finally got my hands on a copy of Fire emblem: The Sacred stones and I can now say I completely understand why people love this game. My first time around I fell in love with the swordmaster's (Joshua's) Crits allowing me to do insane damage very quickly even though he had near no defensive capabilities. The second time I did the reverse approach. I abused the general(gilliam), Decent damage, low speed, insane defensive capabilities. I think I am going to go through each time with a different class and just see how far I can go relying on that one class for the most part.

Does anyone else have an issue keeping mages alive?

Anyone who has played the sacred stones, Is it me or do the final bosses near require your dragon girl?

Anyone having played sacred stones and other Fire emblem games, how does it measure up?

Any suggestions for which game to get next?

Which game is the longest?

What is YOUR personal favorite class and why?

Mine is the Swordmaster. At least 25% crit vs almost any unit turns a 7 damage iron sword into a 21 damage blow of death. Not to meantion vs MOST units he gets a second attack. His only two drawbacks are 1 lack of defense B Lances give him trouble.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem vs. Fire Emblem
Post by: michael/michaelssword on December 18, 2008, 09:03:50 AM
Now to necropost this, But with info instead of oh noes I PLAYEDS ITS TOO.
I have been trying to get my hands on any copy of any Fire emblem game, I finally got my hands on a copy of Fire emblem: The Sacred stones and I can now say I completely understand why people love this game. My first time around I fell in love with the swordmaster's (Joshua's) Crits allowing me to do insane damage very quickly even though he had near no defensive capabilities. The second time I did the reverse approach. I abused the general(gilliam), Decent damage, low speed, insane defensive capabilities. I think I am going to go through each time with a different class and just see how far I can go relying on that one class for the most part.

Does anyone else have an issue keeping mages alive?

Anyone who has played the sacred stones, Is it me or do the final bosses near require your dragon girl?

Anyone having played sacred stones and other Fire emblem games, how does it measure up?

Any suggestions for which game to get next?

Which game is the longest?

What is YOUR personal favorite class and why?

Mine is the Swordmaster. At least 25% crit vs almost any unit turns a 7 damage iron sword into a 21 damage blow of death. Not to meantion vs MOST units he gets a second attack. His only two drawbacks are 1 lack of defense B Lances give him trouble.
you jacked Isildurs avatar but made t tiny anyways I've played allbutthe Wiiversion and they we're great (GC one excluded itwasfail) So hopefully the wii one will be better
Title: Re: Fire Emblem vs. Fire Emblem
Post by: MichaelHue on December 18, 2008, 12:11:08 PM
Now to necropost this, But with info instead of oh noes I PLAYEDS ITS TOO.
I have been trying to get my hands on any copy of any Fire emblem game, I finally got my hands on a copy of Fire emblem: The Sacred stones and I can now say I completely understand why people love this game. My first time around I fell in love with the swordmaster's (Joshua's) Crits allowing me to do insane damage very quickly even though he had near no defensive capabilities. The second time I did the reverse approach. I abused the general(gilliam), Decent damage, low speed, insane defensive capabilities. I think I am going to go through each time with a different class and just see how far I can go relying on that one class for the most part.

Does anyone else have an issue keeping mages alive?

Anyone who has played the sacred stones, Is it me or do the final bosses near require your dragon girl?

Anyone having played sacred stones and other Fire emblem games, how does it measure up?

Any suggestions for which game to get next?

Which game is the longest?

What is YOUR personal favorite class and why?

Mine is the Swordmaster. At least 25% crit vs almost any unit turns a 7 damage iron sword into a 21 damage blow of death. Not to meantion vs MOST units he gets a second attack. His only two drawbacks are 1 lack of defense B Lances give him trouble.
you jacked Isildurs avatar but made t tiny anyways I've played allbutthe Wiiversion and they we're great (GC one excluded itwasfail) So hopefully the wii one will be better
Actually no, he didn't. 

I would suggest the first Fire Emblem for the GBA released in the US (just called Fire Emblem) if you liked Sacred Stones.  The gamecube version was ok, but not as enjoyable as the first two.  Fire Emblem is in my opinion a series that plays best on a handheld system (can't wait for FE: Shadow Dragon on the DS next year).  I never got far in the Wii game, it just got boring early on.  Maybe it was because I hate Fire Emblem games with 3D animations, or maybe because the plot wasn't nearly as good, or because the game was just frustrating, idk.  I would suggest FE7 though.

As for fun characters...make Ross a Journeyman -> Pirate - > Berserker.  You won't regret it if you liked using Joshua as a swordmaster.  Berserkers are so awesome, and Ross is the best one.  Also, Ewan makes an AMAZING Druid (or Sage, but I prefer Druid, Dark magic is better than Light in that game).  I agree, Generals are awesome, definitely one of my favorite classes.  I don't really remember the last boss, but I spent more time than I should have just leveling up all my favorite characters into powerhouses.

I personally liked Fire Emblem (GBA) better than FE: Sacred Stones, I think the plot was better, and it was more difficult, partly because you couldn't just go level up in the Tower of Valni whenever the chapters got tough.  It's also MUCH longer, and has a much deeper storyline.  It doesn't have the flexible

Not sure exactly what my favorite class is, I have like 4...Druid, Swordmaster, Berserker, General in no particular order...they're the classes that just plow through tons of enemies at once, I love it.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem vs. Fire Emblem
Post by: TheKarazyvicePresidentRR on December 18, 2008, 04:20:02 PM
I only visited the tower to get my characters class ups. So That end boss was murder.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=PjRxdz57wzk&feature=related (http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=PjRxdz57wzk&feature=related)

I lacked any lvl 20 classes cept my general end game.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem vs. Fire Emblem
Post by: Alex_Olijar on December 18, 2008, 04:54:52 PM
Does anyone else have an issue keeping mages alive?

Most have decent speed to dodge. Try helping that area.

Anyone who has played the sacred stones, Is it me or do the final bosses near require your dragon girl?

Myrrh is unneeded actually. Anyone can beat that thing.

Anyone having played sacred stones and other Fire emblem games, how does it measure up?

Sacred Stones is juveile compared to a fully developed fire emblem game. It was rushed through development due to unexpected North American popularity.

Any suggestions for which game to get next?

Fire Emblem for the GBA. Best one you can get (legally).

Which game is the longest?

Ditto from last one.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem vs. Fire Emblem
Post by: Warrior_Monk on December 18, 2008, 05:07:07 PM
Does anyone else have an issue keeping mages alive? not really, maybe Moulder at first, but after I advanced him classes to a Bishop, he was fine.

Anyone who has played the sacred stones, Is it me or do the final bosses near require your dragon girl? Myrrh died my first time on the lvl I got her.

Anyone having played sacred stones and other Fire emblem games, how does it measure up? I've only played SS, but that was awesome

Any suggestions for which game to get next? I hear good things about the first GBA one, but I really want to try the Wii and GC ones.

Which game is the longest?

What is YOUR personal favorite class and why? obviously trainees, I mean, who doesn't like n00bs? I do like Ross, but currently, he's only a lvl 20 Pirate, so I haven't seen what his next class could be. Swordmasters are fun, but I didn't train Joshua early enough on, so mine wasn't that great. Don't use assasin. I really like Generals, but Great Knights (well, Duessel) are better. now for my real favorite: Wyvern Knight. Cormag IS AWESOME!

What I do with the Swordmaster is give them Marisa's Shamshir and a bunch of Killing Edges. ends up with around 50% of critical.
wow, why would anyone keep Amelia as a trainee? unless you use the Master Crest...
Title: Re: Fire Emblem vs. Fire Emblem
Post by: Alex_Olijar on December 18, 2008, 06:53:27 PM
h4xing rules.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem vs. Fire Emblem
Post by: Captain Kirk on December 18, 2008, 06:58:54 PM
I must say that I quite enjoyed Fire Emblem for GBA.  Definitely up on my list of favorite handheld games ever!

Kirk
Title: Re: Fire Emblem vs. Fire Emblem
Post by: michael/michaelssword on December 18, 2008, 07:00:10 PM
how doyou hack a GBA game?
Title: Re: Fire Emblem vs. Fire Emblem
Post by: Isildur on December 18, 2008, 07:10:05 PM
Sacred Stones Failed. I got a hacked version of the DS a couple months ago and I have to say it is Hardcore its like playing FF7 on Hard but you are really playing easy mode in the DS one!
Title: Re: Fire Emblem vs. Fire Emblem
Post by: TheKarazyvicePresidentRR on December 19, 2008, 02:24:48 AM
If sacred stones is the worst of the bunch I can't wait to get FE (Original)
Title: Re: Fire Emblem vs. Fire Emblem
Post by: Warrior_Monk on December 19, 2008, 09:12:21 AM
no kidding! I played SS for at least 2 hours a day for a few weeks. I was obsessed!
Title: Re: Fire Emblem vs. Fire Emblem
Post by: Isildur on December 19, 2008, 06:26:58 PM
If sacred stones is the worst of the bunch I can't wait to get FE (Original)
I only didnt like SS cause the story was lame and it was far too easy.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem vs. Fire Emblem
Post by: Warrior_Monk on December 19, 2008, 10:48:37 PM
If sacred stones is the worst of the bunch I can't wait to get FE (Original)
I only didnt like SS cause the story was lame and it was far too easy.
the story was lame, but Ephraim's path is not easy. it's also fun to try different things, such as trying to not let 1 person die while not changing their classes until lvl 20. I'm on easy and having a difficult time with Valdegarde or whoever the king of grado was.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem vs. Fire Emblem
Post by: TheKarazyvicePresidentRR on December 19, 2008, 11:18:29 PM
Eph's path gave me a slight bit of trouble till my general hit lvl 20, then it was alot easier cuz I'd just deploy him a healer and eph.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem vs. Fire Emblem
Post by: JSB23 on December 19, 2008, 11:36:06 PM
anybody have an FE game for sale?
Title: Re: Fire Emblem vs. Fire Emblem
Post by: TheKarazyvicePresidentRR on December 20, 2008, 02:56:16 AM
Same question but more I will trade attacktix/Cards for an copy of the original FE.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem vs. Fire Emblem
Post by: Warrior_Monk on December 20, 2008, 01:37:16 PM
Eph's path gave me a slight bit of trouble till my general hit lvl 20, then it was alot easier cuz I'd just deploy him a healer and eph.
wow, you had a General at lvl 20 by the time you faced Videgarde? My Cormag keeps getting killed by a crit. hit. and I'm trying to not let anyone die, so it's a bit of a time consumer
Title: Re: Fire Emblem vs. Fire Emblem
Post by: JSB23 on December 20, 2008, 01:39:16 PM
well of course he's killed by critical hit it being a Final Smash and all  ::)
Title: Re: Fire Emblem vs. Fire Emblem
Post by: Isildur on December 20, 2008, 01:49:55 PM
Same question but more I will trade attacktix/Cards for an copy of the original FE.
What value do you put on an original copy?
Title: Re: Fire Emblem vs. Fire Emblem
Post by: MichaelHue on December 20, 2008, 02:40:13 PM
Eph's path gave me a slight bit of trouble till my general hit lvl 20, then it was alot easier cuz I'd just deploy him a healer and eph.
FE7 is so much harder, especially Hector's story (you get it after beating the game once).  Hard mode in Hector's story is ridiculous.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem vs. Fire Emblem
Post by: Alex_Olijar on December 20, 2008, 03:06:11 PM
HHM, or Hector's hard mode, is the undisputed hardets English game type, followed closely by Hard in Radiance of Dawn.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem vs. Fire Emblem
Post by: TheKarazyvicePresidentRR on December 20, 2008, 03:41:51 PM
Same question but more I will trade attacktix/Cards for an copy of the original FE.
What value do you put on an original copy?
Edit: I love ebay. I got one for 14 bux.
I also will trade for path of radiance (Gamecube game) at 20ish trade value.

Edit: Wow, None of the others have the 'tower' option in the game do they? cuz they make the game insanely easy if you take the time to use it to Plvl up to 20 on your first classes.

Now Playing: Fire Emblem: Wow, I had to restart quite a few times cuz I refuse to let people die. >.> mannnn I just got jaffar though. So the ownage shall commence
Title: Re: Fire Emblem vs. Fire Emblem
Post by: TheKarazyvicePresidentRR on January 01, 2009, 10:55:28 AM
I know this is a double post but does anyone know which system (DS/Wii?) Shadow Dragon will be released for?
Title: Re: Fire Emblem vs. Fire Emblem
Post by: Alex_Olijar on January 01, 2009, 03:09:17 PM
DS. February 9th....I think.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem vs. Fire Emblem
Post by: TheKarazyvicePresidentRR on January 01, 2009, 07:54:18 PM
19th according to the wiki ^_^ goody. I now have a use for that gamestop gift card.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem vs. Fire Emblem
Post by: Alex_Olijar on January 01, 2009, 08:49:34 PM
Hmm good enough for me. I knew there was a 9.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem vs. Fire Emblem
Post by: Isildur on January 05, 2009, 08:16:52 PM
Ive played more of the new Firemblem and I have to say its kinda odd they tried to balance out the game by giving you a HUGE amount of characters and pretty much letting you pick the classes of your characters so you can switch a Cavalier to a mage (might be terrible but you can do it...). It makes me sad that they had to do this because imo it ruins some of the fun but hey thats just me.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem vs. Fire Emblem
Post by: TheKarazyvicePresidentRR on January 05, 2009, 09:55:44 PM
Path of radiance? That is depressing. Welcome to a 15 General 5 healer Team.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem vs. Fire Emblem
Post by: Isildur on January 05, 2009, 10:57:31 PM
Path of radiance? That is depressing. Welcome to a 15 General 5 healer Team.
No the DS one I have a copy from Japan and im getting one that is from England soon so it will finaly be in english! (Note that this is not a game cartridge but something else...)
Title: Re: Fire Emblem vs. Fire Emblem
Post by: TheKarazyvicePresidentRR on January 06, 2009, 12:36:54 PM
Ohhhh. Well I know what I'm doing. I always wanted 10 knights/generals on a team.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem vs. Fire Emblem
Post by: Warrior_Monk on January 06, 2009, 06:28:34 PM
Ohhhh. Well I know what I'm doing. I always wanted 10 trainees on a team.
fixed.

although, a team of berserkers would be rather interesting.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem vs. Fire Emblem
Post by: Isildur on January 06, 2009, 06:50:45 PM
the only thing is it limits the amounts of some units so you cant have like 25 generals or anything like that   :police:
Title: Re: Fire Emblem vs. Fire Emblem
Post by: Warrior_Monk on January 06, 2009, 07:09:25 PM
the only thing is it limits the amounts of some units so you cant have like 25 generals or anything like that   :police:
what about Journeymen? I love Ross as a Journeyman!
Title: Re: Fire Emblem vs. Fire Emblem
Post by: Isildur on January 06, 2009, 08:28:30 PM
wah? you mean those funky mini classes from Sealed? No those were just in Sealed  :P
Title: Re: Fire Emblem vs. Fire Emblem
Post by: TheKarazyvicePresidentRR on January 07, 2009, 02:46:27 AM
So how many of each class can you have? Does this mean we have to pay attention to stats now and the males having more str and women having more Mag?
Title: Re: Fire Emblem vs. Fire Emblem
Post by: Isildur on January 07, 2009, 06:19:51 PM
So how many of each class can you have? Does this mean we have to pay attention to stats now and the males having more str and women having more Mag?
idk about the men and female part but for the class limit for example you can only have 2 flying units and 8 "ponys" at a time. Ill post a class limit later when I get my DS out.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem vs. Fire Emblem
Post by: TheKarazyvicePresidentRR on January 08, 2009, 12:33:35 AM
I'm not a big fan of any mounted units cept Great Knights so that isn't too bad. Very intresting. I am very excited about it arriving soon.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem vs. Fire Emblem
Post by: MichaelHue on January 11, 2009, 10:40:06 PM
So how many of each class can you have? Does this mean we have to pay attention to stats now and the males having more str and women having more Mag?
In FE7 and Sacred Stones males had slightly higher (like 1 or 2) maximum physical attack and defense, and females had slightly higher magical attack and defense.  I'm assuming they'll keep that feature, but I don't know.

Btw, the only good way to use Ross is as a Berserker.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem vs. Fire Emblem
Post by: Alex_Olijar on January 11, 2009, 11:05:54 PM
The only good way to use Ross is to use Garcia.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem vs. Fire Emblem
Post by: Warrior_Monk on January 11, 2009, 11:24:36 PM
Garcia pwns at first, but later he's not that great. I tried him as a hero, so perhaps that's the reason why.

Ross is awesome as a berserker. even though he's not there yet, and I seem to have misplaced my GBA (I think I left it in my friends car... hmm...) but he's a lvl 20 Pirate right now.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem vs. Fire Emblem
Post by: TheKarazyvicePresidentRR on January 12, 2009, 02:55:05 PM
I found that out first hand, Man was he pwnination. Him+Dolza+Joshua+Marisa = Very Much Very Many crit.

IN SS was it me or did they remove the Killer axes?
Title: Re: Fire Emblem vs. Fire Emblem
Post by: Warrior_Monk on January 12, 2009, 04:53:09 PM
I found that out first hand, Man was he pwnination. Him+Dolza+Joshua+Marisa = Very Much Very Many crit.

IN SS was it me or did they remove the Killer axes?
they're there, just very difficult to get early on.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem vs. Fire Emblem
Post by: TheKarazyvicePresidentRR on February 20, 2009, 12:22:26 PM
Yays Shadow Dragon is out anyone else have it yet?
Title: Re: Fire Emblem vs. Fire Emblem
Post by: MichaelHue on February 20, 2009, 01:43:27 PM
Yup I do ;D
I'm kind of disappointed at the way it's a bit more simplified than the previous ones, (like lack of rescuing, stealing, moving again with horses, etc.) but I guess it makes sense as it's a remake of the very first game.  So far I'm liking it a lot.  The reclassing system is interesting.  It is kind of disappointing that it doesn't auto-save when you turn off the DS like the GBA games did, that was a really cool feature for a handheld game.

**edit** it's also really interesting that the game encourages you to let people die (you only get the extra chapters if you have under a certain number of people). 
Spoiler (hover to show)
Title: Re: Fire Emblem vs. Fire Emblem
Post by: TheKarazyvicePresidentRR on February 20, 2009, 01:56:51 PM
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Lack of rescuing
Those words made my life so much harder.....


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it's also really interesting that the game encourages you to let people die (you only get the extra chapters if you have under a certain number of people). 
Are you serious? I have a reason to let people die? FINALLY. I havn't gotten to play it, I might a bit later though.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem vs. Fire Emblem
Post by: Alex_Olijar on February 20, 2009, 02:33:50 PM
Illprobably get it tonight.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem vs. Fire Emblem
Post by: Isildur on February 20, 2009, 06:45:51 PM
What the game is out in America already?
Title: Re: Fire Emblem vs. Fire Emblem
Post by: TheKarazyvicePresidentRR on February 20, 2009, 06:51:27 PM
Yes. On the 18th?
Title: Re: Fire Emblem vs. Fire Emblem
Post by: Isildur on February 20, 2009, 07:30:34 PM
Yes. On the 18th?
Wow I thought it was coming out in march... Huh ill be getting it prolly tommrow. Im sad all that progress I made in the Japanese one went to waste  :P
Title: Re: Fire Emblem vs. Fire Emblem
Post by: MichaelHue on February 20, 2009, 07:54:54 PM
It came out on the 16th, I didn't get it until yesterday though.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem vs. Fire Emblem
Post by: Alex_Olijar on February 21, 2009, 05:06:48 PM
It was the 19th where I am.

I haven't played it much, but I like some of the changes. The game isn't so sword heavy character-wise, but the same basic beginning (lots of axe users) has stayed intact. I like Generals with Bows, thats cool.

But seriously, only MArth can go to villages? Boo. Stupid old rules being kept in remakes.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem vs. Fire Emblem
Post by: TheKarazyvicePresidentRR on February 22, 2009, 09:30:51 PM
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But seriously, only MArth can go to villages? Boo. Stupid old rules being kept in remakes.
I know, is it me or is this game EXCEEDINGLY character heavy?
Right now I am abusing the class switchers, two mydrons two knights :-p Knights take and My crit masters end them ;) along with my bow users (2, One archer 1 hunter) and two healers I have great force for 2 wide areas.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem vs. Fire Emblem
Post by: Alex_Olijar on February 22, 2009, 11:12:54 PM
Reclassing is cool. A review comming once I finish most of the game.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem vs. Fire Emblem
Post by: Isildur on February 23, 2009, 12:24:57 AM
I hate the reclassing
Title: Re: Fire Emblem vs. Fire Emblem
Post by: TheKarazyvicePresidentRR on February 23, 2009, 12:29:51 AM
Any reason why? I find it useful when the game hands you alot of a cavaliers you can make them more useful.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem vs. Fire Emblem
Post by: MichaelHue on February 23, 2009, 09:27:42 AM
Reclassing makes Sedgar and Wolf overpowered (yeah I know they're prepromotes, but they get every stat up almost every level, often 2 with HP).
Title: Re: Fire Emblem vs. Fire Emblem
Post by: Alex_Olijar on February 23, 2009, 11:30:25 AM
Wolf and sedgar are going to be broken in any class so that's irrelevant.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem vs. Fire Emblem
Post by: MichaelHue on February 24, 2009, 07:23:55 AM
They're most overpowered as classes like Generals and Heroes though.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem vs. Fire Emblem
Post by: Alex_Olijar on February 24, 2009, 10:14:02 AM
That doesn't matter. Class is irrelevant when everyone else they compete against can be in said class as well if you want them to be.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem vs. Fire Emblem
Post by: TheKarazyvicePresidentRR on February 24, 2009, 02:26:42 PM
Hm, do you think (once everyone has played this game fully) some people will excel at certain things? Or will everyone be a jack of all trades?
Title: Re: Fire Emblem vs. Fire Emblem
Post by: Alex_Olijar on February 24, 2009, 02:30:52 PM
I'll explain my thoughts on that once I write a review. I have already formed an opinion but Im on an iPod so I can't type it.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem vs. Fire Emblem
Post by: TheKarazyvicePresidentRR on February 24, 2009, 02:33:04 PM
Okey dokey, I am playing it slowly because, well atm I'm having to use peg knights in order to get another knight... >.> I hate peg knights, and refuse to let peoples die.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem vs. Fire Emblem
Post by: MichaelHue on February 24, 2009, 04:58:19 PM
Each character has his/her own specific stat growths.  Each class also has its own growth rates.  Some characters are good in some areas but weak in others (Barst, for instance, has good personal skill and speed growth, but literally nonexistent personal HP and Strength growth, so the Fighter class works well for him.  It helps cover up his weaknesses and take advantage of his strengths).

**edit**
Btw, this website has practically all the information you could need on FE DS
http://serenesforest.net/fe11/index.html (http://serenesforest.net/fe11/index.html)
**edit**
Title: Re: Fire Emblem vs. Fire Emblem
Post by: Alex_Olijar on February 24, 2009, 05:11:52 PM
Umm, what? Look those up.

Barst 80 40 0 40 30 40 15 0

In order of HP, Str, Mag, Skl, Spd, Luck, Def, Res
Title: Re: Fire Emblem vs. Fire Emblem
Post by: MichaelHue on February 24, 2009, 08:12:54 PM
I did.  Click on base growths, not default growths.  His personal growths are 0 HP 0 STR 0 MAG 25 SKL 20 SPD 40 LCK 15 DEF 0 RES.  The Fighter class gives 80 HP, 40 STR, -20 MAG, 15 SKL, 10 SPD, 0 LCK, 0 DEF, -15 RES. 
Title: Re: Fire Emblem vs. Fire Emblem
Post by: Alex_Olijar on February 24, 2009, 08:27:36 PM
Yeah thats my bad. I accidently got the added stuff. Sorry. He's actually a good mage then.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem vs. Fire Emblem
Post by: TheKarazyvicePresidentRR on February 25, 2009, 02:10:06 PM
Wow, You can change second class people as well? Awesome, my bishop just became a swordmaster. I also didn't know the bow using horsemen were second class, I wish I had of, I coulda been lvling um up.


One unrelated question...is it me, or does the general's list of usable weapons change every game?
Title: Re: Fire Emblem vs. Fire Emblem
Post by: MichaelHue on March 11, 2009, 10:34:14 PM
I'm just about finished with my awesome WiFi team, soon I'll be pwning noobs with my awesome forged weapons and amazing stats.  Actually I'm not sure how well it'll work, as it's my first team and I haven't played online yet, so I have no idea how it'll work in practice.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem vs. Fire Emblem
Post by: Isildur on March 11, 2009, 11:40:32 PM
I'm just about finished with my awesome WiFi team, soon I'll be pwning noobs with my awesome forged weapons and amazing stats.  Actually I'm not sure how well it'll work, as it's my first team and I haven't played online yet, so I have no idea how it'll work in practice.
Btw my friend who played online said that the random battles online are just like people who hacked the game and are using like pegknighs with swords ect.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem vs. Fire Emblem
Post by: MichaelHue on March 12, 2009, 08:46:32 AM
I'm just about finished with my awesome WiFi team, soon I'll be pwning noobs with my awesome forged weapons and amazing stats.  Actually I'm not sure how well it'll work, as it's my first team and I haven't played online yet, so I have no idea how it'll work in practice.
Btw my friend who played online said that the random battles online are just like people who hacked the game and are using like pegknighs with swords ect.
Yeah, I know there'll be some hackers, there are still people who make good legit teams though.

If anyone's interested in trying to make a WiFi team, this is a decent guide to building one and basic strategies: http://vgdistrict.com/showthread.php?t=31881 (http://vgdistrict.com/showthread.php?t=31881)
Title: Re: Fire Emblem vs. Fire Emblem
Post by: Alex_Olijar on March 12, 2009, 11:07:53 PM
Nice you posted Sylvan's deal. You on serenes?
Title: Re: Fire Emblem vs. Fire Emblem
Post by: MichaelHue on March 14, 2009, 04:15:51 PM
Nice you posted Sylvan's deal. You on serenes?
I'm not on any of the forums for FE:SD, I just browse.  Do you happen to have a WiFi team?  If so I'd like to play you sometime, I'll be done building my team by tomorrow and I'll post my Friend Code.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem vs. Fire Emblem
Post by: Alex_Olijar on March 14, 2009, 08:15:57 PM
I'm working on my main one now. I have a "team' that I put together, but it wasnt made for Wifi, so it's not good at all. I won't have my real team ready til April (need time to get/forge braves)
Title: Re: Fire Emblem vs. Fire Emblem
Post by: MichaelHue on March 14, 2009, 11:01:24 PM
I'm working on my main one now. I have a "team' that I put together, but it wasnt made for Wifi, so it's not good at all. I won't have my real team ready til April (need time to get/forge braves)
Yeah, fully forging weapons takes a lot of arena abuse, I probably spent around 6 hours in the arena at least since I got the game.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem vs. Fire Emblem
Post by: TheKarazyvicePresidentRR on March 14, 2009, 11:22:46 PM
How do you get into the wifi for it?
Title: Re: Fire Emblem vs. Fire Emblem
Post by: MichaelHue on March 14, 2009, 11:37:06 PM
How do you get into the wifi for it?
Go to extras and select WiFi Battle or w/e it says.  I think it connects automatically if you have wireless internet, but you might have to set it up first.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem vs. Fire Emblem
Post by: MichaelHue on March 15, 2009, 07:43:48 PM
Haha my team's working well so far, the only thing I'm worried about is that people will think my paladin is hacked, she's that good.  She has max stats in everything except Magic and Resistance lol.

I think I'll start making a second team, just for fun.

**edit**
So far I've played two hackers, and beaten both of them.  lol
**edit**

**edit**
so I've won most of my matches, but lost against one hacker and Sylvan (1-5) :o  My units are about as strong as his, but I got off to a bad start on the maze map and couldn't kill any of his units.  I think if I played him again or maybe on another map I'd do better.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem vs. Fire Emblem
Post by: Isildur on March 16, 2009, 09:13:45 PM
Wah there are diffrent maps? In the Jap one I played there was only one map  :o
Title: Re: Fire Emblem vs. Fire Emblem
Post by: MichaelHue on March 16, 2009, 09:28:25 PM
Wah there are diffrent maps? In the Jap one I played there was only one map  :o
There are 6 Maps online.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem vs. Fire Emblem
Post by: Isildur on March 16, 2009, 11:40:51 PM
Just online? Or does this also include Local play?
Title: Re: Fire Emblem vs. Fire Emblem
Post by: MichaelHue on March 16, 2009, 11:43:24 PM
Just online? Or does this also include Local play?
I don't know, I've just done online, but I think it also includes local wireless play.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem vs. Fire Emblem
Post by: Warrior_Monk on March 19, 2009, 06:20:27 PM
has anybody played a FE for a console? I'm thinking about getting Radiant Dawn...
Title: Re: Fire Emblem vs. Fire Emblem
Post by: TheKarazyvicePresidentRR on March 19, 2009, 06:26:06 PM
Yes I have, Simply put, Don't do it. I hated RD from what I played of it.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem vs. Fire Emblem
Post by: Isildur on March 19, 2009, 06:37:32 PM
Yes I have, Simply put, Don't do it. I hated RD from what I played of it.
But RD wasnt that bad and its still far better then the Wii one.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem vs. Fire Emblem
Post by: JSB23 on March 19, 2009, 06:38:06 PM
Question,
Fire Emblem or Final Fantasy?
Title: Re: Fire Emblem vs. Fire Emblem
Post by: Isildur on March 19, 2009, 07:00:41 PM
Well the title of the topic does say Fire Emblem...
Title: Re: Fire Emblem vs. Fire Emblem
Post by: TheKarazyvicePresidentRR on March 19, 2009, 07:12:52 PM
Yes I have, Simply put, Don't do it. I hated RD from what I played of it.
But RD wasnt that bad and its still far better then the Wii one.
isnt RD for the Wii?
Title: Re: Fire Emblem vs. Fire Emblem
Post by: Isildur on March 19, 2009, 07:15:24 PM
No RD is for the G Cube right... Or am i getting the G Cube and the Wii one confused?
Title: Re: Fire Emblem vs. Fire Emblem
Post by: TheKarazyvicePresidentRR on March 19, 2009, 07:22:33 PM
No RD is for the G Cube right... Or am i getting the G Cube and the Wii one confused?
I think you are getting them confused, I could be wrong.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem vs. Fire Emblem
Post by: Warrior_Monk on March 19, 2009, 07:39:01 PM
*sigh* I guess no Radiant Dawn for me. I don't want to spend $100 dollars just for a DS, then have to buy Shadow Dragon too... but I lost my SS along with my GBA. oh well.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem vs. Fire Emblem
Post by: Isildur on March 19, 2009, 07:48:41 PM
Ah I was thinking of Path of Radience my bad
Title: Re: Fire Emblem vs. Fire Emblem
Post by: JSB23 on March 19, 2009, 08:06:33 PM
No, I mean which one is better
Fire Emblem or Final Fantasy?
Title: Re: Fire Emblem vs. Fire Emblem
Post by: Isildur on March 19, 2009, 08:17:23 PM
They are both very diffrent games one is a tactics game while the other is an rpg.

Btw I also found out there is a fire emblem tcg  :o So far im trying to see if I can figure out how to play  8)
Title: Re: Fire Emblem vs. Fire Emblem
Post by: TheKarazyvicePresidentRR on March 20, 2009, 02:20:30 AM
They are both very diffrent games one is a tactics game while the other is an rpg.

Btw I also found out there is a fire emblem tcg  :o So far im trying to see if I can figure out how to play  8)
If you can post me the link.

I like both. FF is very fun with alot of classes and cool stuff to see and no risk of losing anyone you don't have to.

FE ('specially SD) not only allows people to be perm. dead but encourages it.

As said RPG Vs. Tactics. Apples Vs. Oranges.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem vs. Fire Emblem
Post by: MichaelHue on March 25, 2009, 09:33:13 PM
First team completed, I'm working on a second now, and starting to plan a third ;)
Surely some of you guys can make one good team in the time it takes me to make three... :P
Title: Re: Fire Emblem vs. Fire Emblem
Post by: Alex_Olijar on March 28, 2009, 06:56:05 PM
Someone isn't forging braves. That's good to know.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem vs. Fire Emblem
Post by: TheKarazyvicePresidentRR on March 29, 2009, 05:06:54 AM
Not that I have had a chance but would you say most online teams are balanced or exceedingly biased in their choice of units?
Title: Re: Fire Emblem vs. Fire Emblem
Post by: Alex_Olijar on March 29, 2009, 12:31:04 PM
What do you mean by that?

Most (good) online teams use units with speed above 26 (so that theyt are impossible to double). This limits typical options to Swordmasters, Horseman, Snipers, and Berserkers. A sage is usally added as the last unit, to provide healing.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem vs. Fire Emblem
Post by: TheKarazyvicePresidentRR on March 29, 2009, 07:08:33 PM
I meant like Balance=
Mage
Healer
Sniper
Peg Knight
Tank

Unbalanced would be say
3-4 Of one type of unit
+ 1 healer.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem vs. Fire Emblem
Post by: MichaelHue on March 29, 2009, 10:23:32 PM
Someone isn't forging braves. That's good to know.
Um, yes I am.  My first team has fully forged braves, my second is going to as well (minus crit as I'll be using Dazzle), and my third isn't started yet.  You can buy weapons on more than one file at once, though I didn't do this.  I started my current team the weekend Brave Lances were on the online shop, got my Brave Axe last week, will be getting my Bows tonight and swords next week, then I'll be done.

By the way, most good teams consist of Horsemen, Swordmasters, Snipers, Berserkers, Paladins, Sages/Sorcerers and Ballisticians.  Only one Mage/Healer is necessary, and the only "tank" you need is a scout (Paladins are my favorite, 30 Def + Gradivus is awesome, they also have good movement).  Apart from that you want units that can kill stuff and not die too easily (without getting in a counter-attack).

My first team (which works very well) is Sage, Paladin, Swordmaster, Berserker, Ballistician.  I can almost always kill several units in a turn while taking no damage myself, through use of ranged attacks and then brave weapons.  My second team doesn't have a Ballistician, but I think I'll miss having one, so my third will.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem vs. Fire Emblem
Post by: TheKarazyvicePresidentRR on March 30, 2009, 05:12:19 PM
In your opinion, how well would a fully twinked (20/20) team of four Generals and one healer do? (Of course having the best equips out there)?
Title: Re: Fire Emblem vs. Fire Emblem
Post by: MichaelHue on March 30, 2009, 06:53:49 PM
In your opinion, how well would a fully twinked (20/20) team of four Generals and one healer do? (Of course having the best equips out there)?
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twinked
*giggle*
A four-General team would probably not work very well, if only because Generals aren't that great.  They work alright against some units (Swordmasters, Horsemen and Paladins), but for instance, any half-decent mage or Berserker can double a General and kill them in one round.  Also, they don't have enough speed to double anything, meaning they're not that great at killing.  Even making a good team with ONE General would be tough, but more than that would be just suicidal.  Try a Paladin instead, they also can get 30 Def (though it's hard to get a Paladin with defense that high) and still have enough Speed to not get doubled by Berserkers, so they can't be killed in one round.

Having fully forged weapons helps a lot, particularly against teams that don't have all their stats maxed, but having high speed is really necessary for WiFi, which is why Swordmasters and Horsemen are so dominant.  With the surprisingly high number of hackers that play on WiFi, you really need to have great stats on most of your units to compete (it is definitely possible to beat most hackers, though, if your team is good enough; most hackers are pretty bad players with good units). 

Swordmasters are generally pretty easy to get good stats with (Frey and Catria are the best candidates to be Swordmasters IMO, train them as Cavaliers/Paladins, or Archer/Paladin in Catria's case, to get them good strength and defense).  Sages (Merric and Linde are the best) and Ballisticians really only need a good attack stat to function well (unless you're going to RNG abuse them to the point where they can survive significant attacks, which is a pain), so they're a good inclusion to a beginning team if you don't want to go to the trouble of RNG abuse.  Horsemen are awesome, but it's hard to come by one with good stats, so fitting them into a team can be difficult.  The same goes for Berserkers to an extent; probably your best bet is to class swap Sedgar to a Berserker, train him to level 20 and hope for the best.  Probably you'll want to use just one Berserker though, as they tend to be lacking in certain stats, so they'll probably need stat boosters.  In general, you want to try to max HP, Strength (or Mag for mages), Speed, and Defense on as many units as possible to build a good team.  Using more than one Sage makes this difficult, as most likely you won't get a sage to max Magic without a good number of Spirit Dusts.

/walloftext
Title: Re: Fire Emblem vs. Fire Emblem
Post by: Alex_Olijar on March 30, 2009, 09:55:10 PM
Who do you use unit wise?

Personally, I've been trying Abel, Cain, Barst, Ogma, Est, Merric, Frey, and Linde mainly. Navarre got trained but he came out bad.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem vs. Fire Emblem
Post by: MichaelHue on March 30, 2009, 10:39:41 PM
Who do you use unit wise?

Personally, I've been trying Abel, Cain, Barst, Ogma, Est, Merric, Frey, and Linde mainly. Navarre got trained but he came out bad.
Frey, Catria, Linde, Sedgar, Beck is my first team.  My second team, which I'm working on now, is Sedgar, Caesar, Barst, Dolph, and Catria.  I gotta say, Catria is one of the best units for WiFi, she has amazing growths and can make a great Paladin, Swordmaster or Sniper (If you're using any of those classes in a WiFi team, she would be my first choice for them).  Est is good, but comes pretty late in the game and doesn't have as good HP, Speed or Defense as Catria.  I've never had much luck with Ogma, but Barst always turns out nice.  Sedgar is great, just make sure you level him up as the right class to get good growths.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem vs. Fire Emblem
Post by: Alex_Olijar on March 30, 2009, 10:46:28 PM
Yeah I like Sedgar but I didn't want to use him or Wolf on Wifi at first. I'll probably implement them next run though.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem vs. Fire Emblem
Post by: MichaelHue on March 30, 2009, 10:49:09 PM
Yeah I like Sedgar but I didn't want to use him or Wolf on Wifi at first. I'll probably implement them next run though.
My current team is using Sedgar as a Sorcerer, because he can have positive Defense growth  :D
Title: Re: Fire Emblem vs. Fire Emblem
Post by: Alex_Olijar on March 30, 2009, 10:50:03 PM
Haha Yeah that's definately a cool trick.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem vs. Fire Emblem
Post by: TheKarazyvicePresidentRR on March 31, 2009, 05:43:22 PM
O_o Generals are not that good? O_o; Yet they can (in game) be unstoppable tanks that even bosses can't scratch?
Title: Re: Fire Emblem vs. Fire Emblem
Post by: MichaelHue on March 31, 2009, 06:08:55 PM
O_o Generals are not that good? O_o; Yet they can (in game) be unstoppable tanks that even bosses can't scratch?
In-game they are good, yes.  WiFi is totally different.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem vs. Fire Emblem
Post by: TheKarazyvicePresidentRR on March 31, 2009, 06:22:40 PM
I see, Everyone in wifi haz teh haxored armor piercing cheese grating weapons of OMPiesBBQRoflCopterness?
Title: Re: Fire Emblem vs. Fire Emblem
Post by: Alex_Olijar on March 31, 2009, 07:24:56 PM
Wifi uses almost all braves or class specific weaponry. Hence, Generals, Pegs, and Paladins tend to not be so good. And, as stated, you want to try to get >26 spd, to prevent doubling.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem vs. Fire Emblem
Post by: TheKarazyvicePresidentRR on March 31, 2009, 08:10:32 PM
Wifi uses almost all braves or class specific weaponry. Hence, Generals, Pegs, and Paladins tend to not be so good. And, as stated, you want to try to get >26 spd, to prevent doubling.
Ah ok, that makes sense, Guess I need to make a wifi team sometime then. I always used to abuse generals cuz of their pure hax def.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem vs. Fire Emblem
Post by: Alex_Olijar on March 31, 2009, 08:11:25 PM
Yeah, their best in game, because doubling isnt such a huge deal, but with an intelligent player and real good units it matters.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem vs. Fire Emblem
Post by: TheKarazyvicePresidentRR on April 01, 2009, 01:42:50 PM
I just found that out. Their armor may be good but a strong SwordMaster+Armor Slayer+crit=ow. Even with 60 health.

Also O_o; how can you tell a team is haxored?

Also How do you get braves?

Also In your opinion which mode (Normal, Hard, Brutal?) is best for team building for wifi?

and finally, who would be the best people for these jobs? And what should I train them in?

Sorcerer
Swordmaster X 2
Bishop
Bastilatian
Title: Re: Fire Emblem vs. Fire Emblem
Post by: MichaelHue on April 01, 2009, 02:36:20 PM
I just found that out. Their armor may be good but a strong SwordMaster+Armor Slayer+crit=ow. Even with 60 health.

Also O_o; how can you tell a team is haxored?

Also How do you get braves?

Also In your opinion which mode (Normal, Hard, Brutal?) is best for team building for wifi?

and finally, who would be the best people for these jobs? And what should I train them in?

Sorcerer
Swordmaster X 2
Bishop
Bastilatian
The only way to tell if a team is hacked is if they have items or stats that are literally impossible to get.  If units have more move than they should (one unit can use the boots for +2 move, apart from that any more move than normal is hacked) or items have more uses than they should (a lot of hackers hack items to give them 99 uses) the team is hacked.  If a physical-based unit has maxed Magic and/or Resistance, or if a magic-based unit has maxed Strength and/or Defense, most likely the team is hacked, although it is possible to RNG abuse a unit like that.  Units with weapons like Imhullu and MIID_NULL are also hacked.  You will meet a LOT of hackers on Wifi.

You get braves from the online shop on weekends; first weekend of the month is Brave Swords, second is Lances, third is Axes, and fourth is Bows.

Normal mode is best, I usually kill off all the characters I'm not planning to train for WiFi and don't need for story mode to go to the Gaiden chapters to get more experience.

Sorcerer - If you don't want to RNG abuse, don't use one.  Use a Sage.

Swordmaster - Catria should be one of them, and probably either Frey or Palla are a good candidate for the second.  Est can work, but she comes late and doesn't have very good HP.  You'll want to train Catria/Palla as Archers, and then Paladins after promotion to get better Strength and Defense.  Frey should be leveled Cavalier -> Paladin, swap him to Swordmaster once he has good Strength and Defense.

Bishop - strictly inferior to Sage for WiFi in almost every situation.  Use a Sage.  Merric is, IMO, the best, with Linde being second best.  Whoever you're going to use, train them as a Mage -> Sage to try to get 20 Magic without stat boosters; 25 Speed is also good, but Merric and Linde usually get that.  After that, try to get some Defense and HP if necessary, probably as a Paladin.

Ballistician - Beck is technically better than Jake, but not by much.  You can't really effectively level both, due to the lack of Ballistae early in the game, so pick whoever you like.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem vs. Fire Emblem
Post by: MichaelHue on April 01, 2009, 02:36:52 PM
Lol >5000 characters :o  I type too much

As far as equipment...
Sorcerer/Sage: Forged Thoron (or Bolganone for the second magic user if you're using two), at least max might and probably hit, crit is your call whether you want to use Dazzle or not (a card that stops all crits except Triangle Attack). 
Swarm (get it from Gotoh in the last chapter, make sure you don't go to chapter 24x). 
Fortify, Warp, and Recover are all useful staves, I personally use those three.  Some people like to use Barrier instead of Recover, but I don't find it all that useful.

Swordmaster: Forged Brave Sword, max Might and Hit (and crit if you don't want Dazzle).  If you're not using Dazzle, a forged Killing Edge can also be useful (it's better than Wo Dao because you can't forge crit past 50%).  If you want you can use an Armorslayer, Levin Sword or Wyrmslayer, but those really aren't that useful.  Unless you're going for max crit, a Brave Sword is all you'll ever need.

Ballistician: Forged Pachyderm (max Might and Hit, once again, crit is your call).  That's all you need, unless you want to use a forged Thunderbolt to kill other ballisticians in one shot.

Any units that have open inventory slots should have Door Keys or Master Keys, a Pure Water and/or a Vulnerary.

If I were you, I'd use a Sage, two Swordmasters, Ballistician, and some other unit.  You really won't benefit all that much from a second magic user, and you NEED a scout.  The best way to explain scouting is for you to read the section about it in this guide: http://vgdistrict.com/showthread.php?t=31881 (http://vgdistrict.com/showthread.php?t=31881)
Paladins are good scouts, they have high movement and can get great defense, and can use Gradivus to heal themselves fully.  Horsemen are probably second best, as they're all around great units (they are difficult to get good stats with, though, so it might not be easy to fit them into your team, especially as you're not going to be RNG abusing most likely).  A Dracoknight or Falcoknight can also function as a scout, and even a Swordmaster.  You can do without a designated scout, but having one helps.

If you are determined to use two magic users, I'd suggest Merric and Linde, both as Sages.  If you want a Paladin, I'd suggest using either Frey, Catria, Abel, or Cain.  It will not be easy to get a Paladin with good defense, however.  If you want a Horseman, Sedgar is probably the easiest to get with decent stats, he gets fair HP and good Defense naturally.  His speed is a bit low though.  If you want to level up one from the start, Ogma and Barst are your best bets, though you'll need to class swap them occasionally to try to get growths in certain stats.

About forging crit or not, Swordmasters can work well with a forged Killing Edge (in addition to a Brave Sword), but apart from that none of your units will have high enough crit to be reliable.  If you like having an added luck factor in your games, then go ahead and don't use Dazzle and forge crit, but don't base your team on crits, as a decent number of people (like me) use Dazzle. 

If you're not going to use any mounted units or a Manakete, you really don't need to use the Apotrope card, so you can use one of the cards that increases a stat by 1.  If a good number of your units don't max Strength, Speed or Defense, one of those cards might be useful.  The units that can really take advantage of forging crit are Berserkers and to a lesser extent Snipers.  Swordmasters don't get a crit boost anymore, but they can still get high crit, just remember that your opponent's luck is subtracted from your crit chance.

On a related note, you'll have to arena abuse a LOT.  If I were you, I'd plan out exactly what equipment you want your team to have, and make sure you have enough money and chapters to forge it all.  The cost of forging is huge; if you're just forging max Might and Hit, it costs the weapon's base worth times 55.5.  If you also forge crit, it's around 83.5 times.  You will most likely have to arena abuse max gold early on, forge all you can, and then arena abuse max gold again to get it all done. Chapters 8, 11, 16 and 18 are best for arena abuse, as you can buy healing staves at the vendor.  You may want to wait before going too far in the game until you've got the braves you need.

Make sure you get all the stat boosters, both from chests/drops and the secret shops.

In case you were wondering why I typed all this out, I'm bored ;)
Title: Re: Fire Emblem vs. Fire Emblem
Post by: TheKarazyvicePresidentRR on April 01, 2009, 04:10:09 PM
*looks at his lvl 30 bastilitian* Uhhhhh I sorta, kinda, maybe abuse the ever loving crud outa my bastila type guys.

How do you forge weapons?

What is RNG?

Can a sage use healing magix?

Quote
You can do without a designated scout, but having one helps.
Specially with a bastilatitian, and for fortress capturing right?

How does one aquire cards?

Quote
Swordmasters don't get a crit boost anymore, but they can still get high crit, just remember that your opponent's luck is subtracted from your crit chance.
I noticed, I was so upset when I found out. I loved having 50% crit at nearly all times.

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On a related note, you'll have to arena abuse a LOT.
I do, Oh I do. My healers get quite a work out in my games.

Also how do I know what class increases what stats? For maximum twinkage.

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If you want to play it safe, try bets of less than 800G. Once you get the hang of a unit you may go to higher bets.
Looking at the guide, ironically My Knights/Generals could take 1300+ bets but 500s owned them (they were all mages)
Title: Re: Fire Emblem vs. Fire Emblem
Post by: MichaelHue on April 01, 2009, 04:51:47 PM
*looks at his lvl 30 bastilitian* Uhhhhh I sorta, kinda, maybe abuse the ever loving crud outa my bastila type guys.

How do you forge weapons?

What is RNG?

Can a sage use healing magix?

Quote
You can do without a designated scout, but having one helps.
Specially with a bastilatitian, and for fortress capturing right?

How does one aquire cards?

Quote
Swordmasters don't get a crit boost anymore, but they can still get high crit, just remember that your opponent's luck is subtracted from your crit chance.
I noticed, I was so upset when I found out. I loved having 50% crit at nearly all times.

Quote
On a related note, you'll have to arena abuse a LOT.
I do, Oh I do. My healers get quite a work out in my games.

Also how do I know what class increases what stats? For maximum twinkage.

Quote
If you want to play it safe, try bets of less than 800G. Once you get the hang of a unit you may go to higher bets.
Looking at the guide, ironically My Knights/Generals could take 1300+ bets but 500s owned them (they were all mages)

You forge weapons in the Armory in the preparation for each level.  When you're picking units and class changing and swapping around items and such, go to Armory and select "Forge."  The only trouble is you can only forge once per chapter.  The good news is you only need to forge one weapon each for Sages, Ballisticians and Swordmasters, really (Thoron, Pachyderm and Brave Sword).  Hopefully you have enough chapters left to do the forging you need.  What chapter are you on?

http://serenesforest.net/fe11/class_growth.html (http://serenesforest.net/fe11/class_growth.html) has class growth rates, which are added to personal growth rates.

Sages can use Staves, yes.  Forged Thoron / Swarm / Fortify / Recover / Warp is pretty much the ideal item setup for a Sage.

You get cards by winning WiFi battles.

As for a scout, yeah you need one for Ballista use.  I've never won a battle by outlasting my opponent and taking the fort, I almost always kill everybody (or all but one and the last one hides until the 10 turns are up, then I win with the fort).  The trouble is Paladins and Horsemen (the two best scouts) are hard to get with good stats.  If I know what chapter you're on I might be able to help you find a decent one.  If you can get a good Berserker, you could add him in and the team would probably work, you can always use a Swordmaster to scout, even if it's not ideal, it shouldn't matter much

**edit** Brave Swords cost 133,200 Gold to forge full Might and Hit, Brave Axes and Thoron each cost 116,550 G to forge max Might and Hit, I think Pachyderm costs 166,500 G, Brave Lances cost 149,850, Javelins cost 41,625, and Hand Axes cost 29,970.  If you do decide to forge crit, those numbers will be higher. **edit**
Title: Re: Fire Emblem vs. Fire Emblem
Post by: TheKarazyvicePresidentRR on April 01, 2009, 06:03:58 PM
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What chapter are you on?
None, I have not worked on a true Wifi team, I just have my band of misfits
Title: Re: Fire Emblem vs. Fire Emblem
Post by: Alex_Olijar on April 01, 2009, 10:52:59 PM
Some hints

1. Play on Normal and get to al lthe gaidens
2. forge Braves and Killers
3. I suggest training the 3 basic cavs (Frey, Abel, Cain) into Paladins.They will all probably max speed/skill, or near it at least/ Move the highest strength to Archer, the highest defense to Swordmaster, and the other one can be your scout. If some of them fail and get RNG screwed, you can use Palla and catria in these capacities.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem vs. Fire Emblem
Post by: MichaelHue on April 02, 2009, 07:15:42 AM
By the way, RNG (Random Number Generator) Abuse is using Map Save points to only get good level ups for the characters you want.  Save immediately before you level up a character you want to use for WiFi, and reset every time you don't get the stats you want.  It takes a while, and some people question the legitimacy of an RNG abused team, but it does get you better stats, and it's not that hard as you have two map save points per chapter (another reason to go to the Gaidens).
Title: Re: Fire Emblem vs. Fire Emblem
Post by: MichaelHue on April 02, 2009, 12:00:08 PM
I'm just about done with my second team, I just have a few more levels to rig and some more gold to grind and then I need to wait until Brave Swords are on the online shop this weekend.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem vs. Fire Emblem
Post by: TheKarazyvicePresidentRR on April 02, 2009, 01:29:33 PM
Some hints

1. Play on Normal and get to al lthe gaidens
2. forge Braves and Killers
3. I suggest training the 3 basic cavs (Frey, Abel, Cain) into Paladins.They will all probably max speed/skill, or near it at least/ Move the highest strength to Archer, the highest defense to Swordmaster, and the other one can be your scout. If some of them fail and get RNG screwed, you can use Palla and catria in these capacities.
Uhm, what about the second SMaster?

I'm just about done with my second team, I just have a few more levels to rig and some more gold to grind and then I need to wait until Brave Swords are on the online shop this weekend.
Can you only forge Items you have?
Title: Re: Fire Emblem vs. Fire Emblem
Post by: Alex_Olijar on April 02, 2009, 08:14:55 PM
I use different unit spreads than Mike. I didn't plan for a balista. If you want to use two swords, I suggest don't do a master, use a Horseman instead (Sedgar, Wolf, and Ogma are all good). BTW, sometime within the next week, my team should be done, I just needed to get brave swords.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem vs. Fire Emblem
Post by: MichaelHue on April 02, 2009, 09:22:50 PM
I'm just about done with my second team, I just have a few more levels to rig and some more gold to grind and then I need to wait until Brave Swords are on the online shop this weekend.
Can you only forge Items you have?
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Yes.  I'll wait until this weekend, buy my 3 Brave Swords, then forge one each in the next three chapters.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem vs. Fire Emblem
Post by: TheKarazyvicePresidentRR on April 02, 2009, 10:35:16 PM
Ohhh I see. Cool.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem vs. Fire Emblem
Post by: Alex_Olijar on April 09, 2009, 11:20:48 PM
My team is all good now, so start dropping some friend codes. I'll get mine up soon too.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem vs. Fire Emblem
Post by: MichaelHue on April 12, 2009, 10:39:06 PM
I need to finish up my second team sometime.  I'm on the last chapter and I've got all my forging and leveling done, I just have to get some weapon level ups and beat the game.  I'll post my FC in a few days when I have the time to play hopefully. 

I just started doing a "draft" run of FE7 with some people from VGDistrict, should be fun.  We basically drafted the characters we're going to be allowed to use in this playthrough, and we're only allowed to use those (plus lords, Matthew and Merlinus).  I got Sain, Serra, Raven, Rebecca, Bartre, Heath, Legault, Wallace, and Renault.  The cool thing is that all of them (including my Lords and Matthew) but Heath and Legault fit into one huge support ring, and Heath and Legault support each other.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem vs. Fire Emblem
Post by: Isildur on April 12, 2009, 10:41:27 PM
Legult is a beast if you get him Lv'd up did any one get Cannas?
Title: Re: Fire Emblem vs. Fire Emblem
Post by: MichaelHue on April 12, 2009, 10:45:59 PM
We had four people, and everyone got 9 characters, so all the units were drafted.  One guy tried to take all the healers, and managed to get Priscilla, Lucius, Erk, and Athos.  I got Serra, another guy got Pent, and the other guy got Canas.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem vs. Fire Emblem
Post by: Isildur on April 12, 2009, 10:52:18 PM
Canas is a beast!
Title: Re: Fire Emblem vs. Fire Emblem
Post by: MichaelHue on April 12, 2009, 10:54:58 PM
Canas is a beast!
Yeah, I wanted to get him, but someone else got him first.  I'm glad I got Serra though, she's the best healer as far as accessibility goes, she's available for almost the entire game, and doesn't need to be promoted to use staves.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem vs. Fire Emblem
Post by: Isildur on April 12, 2009, 10:56:52 PM
But she doesnt have a monocule... Canas!
Title: Re: Fire Emblem vs. Fire Emblem
Post by: Alex_Olijar on April 12, 2009, 11:13:44 PM
Would you guys be interested in doing that on here? a FE7 draft sounds fun.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem vs. Fire Emblem
Post by: Isildur on April 12, 2009, 11:32:22 PM
I would though it would have to be done at Nats.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem vs. Fire Emblem
Post by: Alex_Olijar on April 13, 2009, 12:02:13 AM
Or online in a chat.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem vs. Fire Emblem
Post by: Isildur on April 13, 2009, 07:09:47 PM
how so....
Title: Re: Fire Emblem vs. Fire Emblem
Post by: Alex_Olijar on April 13, 2009, 07:25:58 PM
Just pick our guys and play our runthroughs. I gathered that's all their doing.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem vs. Fire Emblem
Post by: Isildur on April 13, 2009, 08:06:37 PM
Oh.... I thought they were doing a arena style thing... Ok then ill be up for your idea  :)
Title: Re: Fire Emblem vs. Fire Emblem
Post by: Alex_Olijar on April 13, 2009, 10:00:09 PM
Well, we could do this with Shadow Dragon and then make Wifi teams if we want.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem vs. Fire Emblem
Post by: Isildur on April 13, 2009, 10:54:18 PM
Ooh or we could do both lol But first there should prolly be more then two people interested...
Title: Re: Fire Emblem vs. Fire Emblem
Post by: MichaelHue on April 13, 2009, 11:03:24 PM
For FE7, 4 people is pretty much the perfect number.  I can't see it being as much fun in FEDS, because of reclassing it doesn't matter much who you get, there are so many good characters.  Also, FE7 > FEDS in all things but multiplayer.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem vs. Fire Emblem
Post by: Isildur on April 13, 2009, 11:08:15 PM
ok thats 3... So this is a speed run of the game right?
Title: Re: Fire Emblem vs. Fire Emblem
Post by: MichaelHue on April 13, 2009, 11:19:34 PM
Um I'm already doing one, I really don't have the time or desire to start a second one just yet.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem vs. Fire Emblem
Post by: Alex_Olijar on April 13, 2009, 11:22:47 PM
For FE7, 4 people is pretty much the perfect number.  I can't see it being as much fun in FEDS, because of reclassing it doesn't matter much who you get, there are so many good characters.  Also, FE7 > FEDS in all things but multiplayer.


Amen brother.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem vs. Fire Emblem
Post by: MichaelHue on April 18, 2009, 06:55:43 PM
My friend code is 1548-0589-4660.  If anyone wants to play me, post yours.
Title: Re: Fire Emblem vs. Fire Emblem
Post by: Alex_Olijar on April 18, 2009, 08:38:26 PM
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