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Redemption® Collectible Trading Card Game HQ => Deck Building & Design => Type 2 Deck Advice => Topic started by: Red Warrior on May 27, 2010, 12:58:46 PM
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I need some help with Type II...
1) What are people playing these days?
I'm sure a lot has changed... in my day, some of the top decks were Elders of J./Gray False Peace, Blue-Purple (Claudia/ET)/Crimson (Leviathan, RDragon, Zimri), Blue-Silver banding/Pale Green (Absalom's Soldiers/2KH)
2) Have there been any significant Type II centered rulings?
'Last major ruling I remember was that all fortresses were considered unique, anything new since?
Thanks, looking forward to getting back into the swing!
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I'll let a real T2 player give you more details, but here's a couple things I've observed.
#1 - the PG defense you referred to has been replaced by Assyrian Archer/Rabshekah/2KH/Forgotten History. The Assyrians can be protected in territory with their fort. The archer can kill a hero in territory. 2KH is CBN on Rab. Forgotten History ends the battle, and saves the Archer's life.
#2 - T2 is all about not letting your opponent play the game. This is done either through initiative tricks like I just described, or by combo decks.
#3 - Combo decks have really taken over at the top. They either draw their whole deck in a turn and then stack it so you never see a LS, or they discard your whole deck in one turn, or they discard your hand and put 3 "Sin in the Camp" cards down so that you never have another card to play with for the rest of the game. Some of these combos have recently been destroyed with rulings. But I'm sure people will come up with more.
#4 - If you are returning to the game after a long hiatus, I would recommend starting back with T1 before jumping into T2.
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Moving this post to here (http://www.cactusgamedesign.com/message_boards/index.php?topic=21460.0) to not hijack this thread :)
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Prophets are powerful with Search (FooF) x5 and Hidden Treasures x3. Many of the newer prophets are very useful in the Foof/RoA tins.
Defenses Vary but Crimson/Gold/Pale Green and Black Philistines are very powerful. They all have fortresses, they all have Horses and they all have CNB battle winners (some have to be played on certain people to be CBN.
False Peace Decks good but seem to have fallen out of play in some areas although they do go nicely with the side battle cards in Prophets.
Type 2 Site Lockouts are a growing trend, especially with High places and other cards that manipulate sites/LS's
Highway recursion has been nerfed. :-\
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What happened to "highway recursion"? I always used to play the ole' book of hozea, book of jashar, long day, stillness (then Jubilee for the repeat) combo in type II, did this ruling affect that combo?
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BTW, I have been actively playing type 1 2p and Multi this whole time, I'm just trying to get back into Type II
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What happened to "highway recursion"? I always used to play the ole' book of hozea, book of jashar, long day, stillness (then Jubilee for the repeat) combo in type II, did this ruling affect that combo?
Not really that particular combo. Basically, there was a combo where you could have two heroes in battle, play a bunch of enhancements, withdraw one hero and all the enhancements with Highway/Stillness/Trust, etc, then band another hero in, play the enhancements, and repeat. Highway was given an errata to withdraw enhancements only if no heroes remained in battle.
The Long Day still works for multiple battles. It's just harder to force your opponent to repeatedly block with an immune character, since a specific character can only enter battle once per turn (so you can't use the classic Claudia + ET + Obedience of Noah to repeatedly choose Red Dragon/Emperor Claudius).
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I'm sure a lot has changed... in my day, some of the top decks were Elders of J./Gray False Peace, Blue-Purple (Claudia/ET)/Crimson (Leviathan, RDragon, Zimri), Blue-Silver banding/Pale Green (Absalom's Soldiers/2KH)
Actually...it doesn't sound like much has changed. :D Eders and blue/silver aren't as popular as before, crimson is mostly Babs now, and Assyrian Archer is used now instead of Absalom's Soldiers, but other than that most of the things you mentioned are still pretty popular. There are also a few more options available now, like Philistines, Romans, and Demons.
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Finally played some Type II after a long intermission...
My friend Ray and I played last night and it was really fun. I used an Elders-Silver (2 TSA, 3 Captains, 4 Gatherings) with a brown defense (5 Foul Spirits, 5 Gib Tricks, Zeds, DOMs, Uzzah, etc.).
I missed rescuer's choice a lot, it's a freeing feeling to have 7 souls on the table, and then block with Zed, play land purchase, and Hormah the only soul they can rescue that turn.
Any advice on new cards I need to worry about stomping my elders? I know my two old enemies were HHI and Simon the Magician, anything new to watch out for?
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Any advice on new cards I need to worry about stomping my elders? I know my two old enemies were HHI and Simon the Magician, anything new to watch out for?
If used defensively, Grapes of Wrath can destroy your giant Elder band.
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Genesis sees a lot of play, prophet seems a good bit, silver is more splashed than an entire deck, teal is highly used, gold is also highly used but more of a splash due to Meeting the Messiah and Water Jar, red is still not seen much, purple is used with Throne of David/ignores, or with ET/AoCp and TGT, white is everywhere due to TGT. I think that's about it for offense. Defensive wise, black is running rampant. Philistines with site lockout or a splash of A-bomb. Babylonians are also highly played, then Assyrians which is what Prof described, Romans-all Emperors with d2 play the next Heavy taxes with Syrians splashed in, demons-Gates of Hell and demon recursion auto block abuse, gold- weak!, brown is somewhat used, but I see it more splashed than an entire single color defense.
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elders still gets steam rolled by Palegreen and Gold. Grey and black can cause some trouble. Also an orange brown defense could cause lots of trouble becuase of the time it takes to set up gathering.
Basicaly a smart player will snipe your key charecters then stop the battle before you can do anything about it.
Also that chain still is hurt by caputer which has gotten better, Artifacts like HOH GCalf COF ect..... if you don't stack up on a bunch of blessings your in big trouble. Even if you have them its almost impossiable now to get iniative to play them. As almost every birgade has a way to protect ls from being rescued if you give them inaitive.
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Eeek, hadn't thought about Grapes of Wrath vs. Elders :'(
So if I stuck with the Elders, I might do well to pair them with a sniping brigade to kill off CBN characters like Rabby, Nergle and Naaman... as well as "autoblockers" like Uzzah, Trembling Demon, etc.
The problem with Elders is that they don't share deck space well... I guess I could go to the darkside and add TGT characters into the deck. They could take advantage of the Blessings, but I have a feeling I would soon not be using the elders at all :/
Any creative Elder/_____ combos that could help me deal with CBN ECs/EEs and Autoblockers? Judges' Seat? Purple w/ ET+kill cards? Others?
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Yeah, Elders are weaker now for sure...pair them with Musicians! ;D
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Eeek, hadn't thought about Grapes of Wrath vs. Elders :'(
So if I stuck with the Elders, I might do well to pair them with a sniping brigade to kill off CBN characters like Rabby, Nergle and Naaman... as well as "autoblockers" like Uzzah, Trembling Demon, etc.
The problem with Elders is that they don't share deck space well... I guess I could go to the darkside and add TGT characters into the deck. They could take advantage of the Blessings, but I have a feeling I would soon not be using the elders at all :/
Any creative Elder/_____ combos that could help me deal with CBN ECs/EEs and Autoblockers? Judges' Seat? Purple w/ ET+kill cards? Others?
Gold offense with Meeting the Messiah and Samaritan Water Jar would be a good splash. Meeting the Messiah can get rid of annoying evil characters before attacking and three SWJ's can set aside up to 27 of your opponent's cards.
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I guess I could go to the darkside and add TGT characters into the deck. They could take advantage of the Blessings, but I have a feeling I would soon not be using the elders at all :/
Not much need for elders if you go over to the dark side.
TGT makes MMoJ's band CBN, so you have a 28/24 (better than 8 elders) band with just the ladies. Couple that with a few Blessings and a He Is Risen w/ TSA for extra BtN crunchiness.
Of course, John gets you past the auto-blockers and Peter helps against Simon Magus.
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and susana for OP
and i am grace to stop 2k horses ;D
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You don't need I am Grace for any of the horsies. Salome takes care of that quite nicely.
Of course Susanna is very very good, but Lydia might be even better. Especially if you build off of John and add in some interesting purple.
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You don't need I am Grace for any of the horsies. Salome takes care of that quite nicely.
Of course Susanna is very very good, but Lydia might be even better. Especially if you build off of John and add in some interesting purple.
Coat of mail would work too xp
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i like i am grace better becuase it was a card that ithought would never see the light of day and its cheaper ;)
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i like i am grace better becuase it was a card that ithought would never see the light of day and its cheaper ;)
I liked it better also, until the first time I ran into Destructive Sin. :(
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Yeah I've had a type 1 TGT/Assyrian deck since Ohio natz, no real interest in taking it to type 2.
I wish I could make my elders work..., maybe paired with green speed I could get them back out after a Grapes attack quicker (Hur/Gifts)... unfortunately the OTHER new dominant has something to say about that too... :/
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Hey I really appreciate the advice you all have been giving me, it helps a lot more than you know. As of today I am giving up the Elders offense :'(
I'll have a new deck up for critique within a few hours, thanks again for the help! See you on the new post after a while...
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Joey, if you set up RTS I'd be glad to play some T2 with you sometime. :)
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I forgot that Red Warrior == Joey Shivers. Welcome back to Type 2, dude.
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Dude! Joey is awesome! Welcome to the boards!
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As of today I am giving up the Elders offense :'(
I find this rather sad.
In type 1 it seems like the number of different offenses that are tournament viable has gone up significantly in the last 5 years. 5 years ago, FBN, Silver, and Purple were probably the only tournament viable offenses. Now, brigades that were useless (or didn't exist yet) back then [Red (banding), Green (prophets), Gold (Luke), White (TGT), Teal (Z-temple), Blue (Genesis)] are all seen in top decks around the country.
Yet, during this time of expansion in variety of T1, has there been the opposite effect in T2? Or is the loss of the Elders offense an anomaly?
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Elders aren't dead. Kevin Shride rocked an Elders deck at IA State.
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Joey, if you set up RTS I'd be glad to play some T2 with you sometime. :)
We need to set up a game too so your teal/tomb deck can pwn mine. :)
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Elders are not dead at all, just not widely used. Why use elders when you can come out and ignore the guy before they block?
Yet, during this time of expansion in variety of T1, has there been the opposite effect in T2?
Blue is widely played, either straight Zebulun, or straight Genesis (not the same thing), green prophets, but I don't see them in GA or TN, Purple both NT and OT ignores with Throne of David/I Am Love, Teal- straight power, or Z Temple, White nt females or TGT kinda different, Red does not see much play, gold- I use Israelite Archers/I Am Healing as well as Samaritans/Water Jar's in most decks and Meeting the Messiah x5, silver is only splashed, and of course a mix of the above. There is the same diversity in type 2 as there is in type 1.
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I ended up keeping white, but going back to my old school Transfig deck, I'll have to be a lot more careful with all the CBN stuff out there... I may pair it with a Sadducee defense so I can have a Urim and Thummim in there... also at this point my brown defense is exposed to my AOCs unless I draw a purple site for my color guard LSs
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Elders aren't dead.
Very true. Gabe and Schaef are very much alive. I think.
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I had lunch with Bany yesterday so I know that he's alive too :)
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Prof are you okay too????
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I ended up keeping white, but going back to my old school Transfig deck, I'll have to be a lot more careful with all the CBN stuff out there... I may pair it with a Sadducee defense so I can have a Urim and Thummim in there... also at this point my brown defense is exposed to my AOCs unless I draw a purple site for my color guard LSs
Transfig decks can still be pretty consistently annoying if you use the Garden girls and throw in a He Is Risen and Gabriel.
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Prof are you okay too????
Yeah, I'm doing great. And since the "other Prof" is currently on his honeymoon, I'm gonna go ahead and say that he's doing great as well :)
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I may pair it with a Sadducee defense so I can have a Urim and Thummim in there...
I mean I guess this could always help, but you should always be attacking with a gathered elders chain to TSA, or play Blessings. I do not see Urim helping too much, at least not enough to where it makes you switch defenses.
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I'm playing Transfig, without elders and without TGT, I've got Lydias, Jairius', Woman of Wisdom...
so I wont always be doing the same thing...
With a Ben Hadad in territory and knowledge of a Naaman (8/7) in their hand, I'm not likely to pull a transfig or Moses + Cov, I would be more likely to attack with Elijah + AoC.
Plus with Elijah's protection from d/c and Lydia's protection from capture, hand knowledge could lend me and easy or easier fight, if not perhaps a walkthrough (oh look, you have nothing but a Zimri).
As for the defense, I REALLY would prefer to keep Brown Mr Hiatus, I really would, but after two games of blowing up multiple foul spirits, Uzzah, Zedekiah, Ahaz, Gomer... it's getting old. In type 1 you just count the cost on AoC (I have 3 souls, SoG in hand... yeah I'll play it), in type 2 blowing up your on-field defense for 1 of 7 souls is rarely worth it.
So I think it's gonna be Transfig + Saducees for 1) Urim and Thummim and 2) High Priest's Palace for protection.
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So you are playing Transfiguration without Elders? ??? Are you playing with Blessings? You should at least have a couple Salome/Mary and Blessings/He Is Risen in there.
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Unlike apparently everybody and their uncles I don't have stacks of garden tomb cards, lol. My wife has had a garden tomb deck since Ohio nationals and that is where our only copy of TGT cards are. I use primarily Lydia, Jairus Daughter, and Woman of Wisdom just because I had tons of copies of them from old type 2 decks.
The most fun part of the deck is my 3 Johny the Bs and 4 copies of Spirit as a Dove. I may throw some TSAs in there for Spirit to pull out in case of a Calf, or worse... an A-pole.