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		Redemption® Collectible Trading Card Game HQ => Deck Building & Design => Type 1 Deck Advice => Topic started by: sepjazzwarrior on December 17, 2019, 02:24:38 PM
		
			
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				I know new set is coming, but wordering if anyone has used the Zeb-Joe-Goshen combo and how it worked.  Every card in the deck can be played immeadity, saying there is a character to play it on and there are no counters out.  Went for speed over anything else while trying to put at least a few blocks in there.  Advice welocme, thanks
 
 LS:
 Hopper
 Covet
 Orphans
 Prosperity
 Exile
 Hunter
 Remnant
 Humble
 
 
 Dom:
 SoG
 TSC
 3W
 Guardian
 DoN
 CM
 Mayhem
 
 Arts/forts/sites:
 Goshen
 Storehouse
 Ark of salvation
 Bable
 Gates of hell
 Egypt
 Treacherous lands
 Tree of knowledge
 Book of cov
 Endless tresasure
 Blindness
 
 DAC:
 7 years plenty
 2 by 2
 Delivered
 Forbidden fruit
 
 Heroes:
 Zeb
 Joseph
 Judah
 Melchzidec PoC
 Mid slaves
 Enoch
 3 visitors
 
 GE:
 Offering your son
 Rev and awe
 Faith
 Faith of sarah
 
 EC:
 Deceiver
 Red dragon
 Abaddon the destroyer
 Fallen star
 Kot poc
 The gods of this world
 Messenger of satan
 Serpent
 
 EE:
 Wages of sin
 
 Reserve:
 Cov noah
 Cov adam
 Faith issac
 Abe decendants
 Lacking prophecy
 7 sons of scevia
 Foreign wives
 Damsel
 Locust from the pit
 Locust from the pit
 
 
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				More CwD counters I am prett sure i came up with this combo and the problem i came against was CwD and delivered seems good too
			
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				Added treasures of war and delivered
			
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				No AotL?
 
 And I’d highly suggest Ark of Salvation to protect Joseph and Zeb.
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				What is there to use angel on? I really want to fit ark, but unsure what to take out, either delivered or 2 by 2 or forbidden fruit...
			
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				Isn't it possible to block from hand with any Evil Character since the ignore is only targeting cards in play?
			
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				the evil character will still be ignored but the onl change would be that u can block so uh huh u can but u still have a disadvantage
 
 
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				btw forbidden fruit sould be taken out for ark
			
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				another card to put in is fall of man
			
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				I figured i would end up holding angel most of the game or wasting it, sure an ec could enter battle but they are still cbn ignored, would rather have mayhem for a d6.
 
 Took out fruit for ark and ends for enoch to better play delivered
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				Since you’re running unity Genesis heroes you definitely need Joe’s Silver Cup (PoC). And to get the set up (Joseph, Zeb, Ark) consider adding/substituting Faith of Noah (instead of Rev and Awe; can also be used as a battle winner and can target Storehouse too), Cov of Eden, AotW. 
 
 Also, what do you do to help protect souls from your opponent since you’re giving him unlimited initiative?  Consider adding Orphans soul instead of Prosperity, and new Melchizedek.
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				Since you’re running unity Genesis heroes you definitely need Joe’s Silver Cup (PoC). And to get the set up (Joseph, Zeb, Ark) consider adding/substituting Faith of Noah (instead of Rev and Awe; can also be used as a battle winner and can target Storehouse too), Cov of Eden, AotW. 
 
 Also, what do you do to help protect souls from your opponent since you’re giving him unlimited initiative?  Consider adding Orphans soul instead of Prosperity, and new Melchizedek.
 
 
 
 :laugh:  good
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				yeah this seems like a chump block defenses dream to block all day with
 
 it also seems highly dependent on few heroes which means little hero removal on their side sets you way back..
 
 not sure this is a problem offense or even top tier kind of cool i guess
 
 ps doesn't rubble and dust/shipwreck/like almost any hero removal nuke this?
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				Babel/Coliseum/Fall of Man/Lacking Prophecy especially are musts
 
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				Added orphans and melchzidek and changed up reserve
 
 Why fall of man? Just as a battle winner? Already have lacking prophecy and dont need to worry about doms in battle as joe protects zeb and goshen.  Would do joes cup but already have lots of other arts i would want up more like book and lacking prophecy
 
 To block, they have to block from hand or from territory and not get killed by cov adam somehow and then block in a way thats not stopped by guardian, bable, orphans, or melchizdek.  Sure there are ways to stop it, but with how fast it moves and how hard it is to stop i think its a solid gimic deck.  Sure rubble and dust kills this or a few well timed doms before counters get up, but if they are using rubble and dust you have probably already won 😁 plus faith and faith of sarah can get them back, and abe decendants can get those cards back
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				Changed the defence, last one made no blocks and basicasly couldnt enter battle once cov adam was up.  Also found this offence needs maybe 2 to 3 turns to set up, so going with orange give me more powerful ec and gets around the conversion problem that would kill zeb.  Added forbidden fruit and tree of knowledge to get access to cov noah and adam faster, and can use it as a kill card on defense.  Would like to fit in more enhancements, like did God really say, hyprocrites proselytize, and destructive sin, along with the winged lepord and envy.  Also would like stone pillar at bethal to get more access to DoN now that i have fewer artifact killers and CwD, darius decree, and golden calf kill this deck.  Also, has anyone found locusts to be worth it? Figured it would be easy to get them out with abaddon and treacherous lands + gates and they can kill some low numbered ecs that give zeb trouble.  Advice welcome