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Redemption® Collectible Trading Card Game HQ => Deck Building & Design => Type 1 Deck Advice => Topic started by: Minister Polarius on July 11, 2009, 02:50:48 PM
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Now that I've managed some attention; I want to get this down from 71 to 56 if at all possible. Any help would be appreciated.
Lost Souls: 8
Hopper
Cannot be Prevented
Anti-Ignore
NT Only
Female Only
Wanderer
Revealer
Punisher
Good Dominants: 4
SoG
AotL
NJ
GoyS
Teal Heroes: 6
Eliashib the High Priest
Joshua the High Priest
Joiakim, Son of Joshua
Joiada, Son of Eliashib
Priests of Christ
Phinehas, son of Eleazar
Teal Enhancements: 6
Zeal for the Lord
Holy unto the Lord
Jehoiada's Strength
Melchizedek's Blessing
Trumpet Blast
Filling Zerubabbel's Temple
Green Heroes: 7
Hur
Micah
Haggai
Joel
Nahum
Benaiah
Miriam
Green Enhancements: 6
Two Bears
Plague of Frogs
Provisions
Search
Visions
Sword of the Lord
Multi Heroes: 1
Zechariah
Multi Enhancements: 3
Spiritual Warfare
Pentecost
Firstfruits
Fortresses: 4
Zerubabbel's Temple
Obadiah's Caves
Wall of Protection
Headquarters at Ribblah
Arts/Covenants/Curses: 7
LotS
BotC
U&T
Hidden Treasures
Covenant with Levi
Covenant with Phinehas
Priestly Crown
UN
Evil Dominants: 3
CM
FA
DoN
Crimson Evil Characters: 7
Nergalsharezer
Ashpenaz
Arioch
The Imperial Guard
Judas Iscariot
Leviathan
Gomer
Crimson Evil Enhancements: 9
Great Image
Head of Gold
Imitating Evil
Nebuchadnezzar's Pride
Belshazzar's Banquet
Midianite Attack
Set Fire
Swift Horses
Desecrate the Temple
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I would take out Leviathan,Judas Iscariot, because they are not babs. Arioch should be replaced with Nebushasban because you need initiative, And add Carried into exile for an enhancement because you need more capture if you are going to use ashpenez. That is all for now but I will add more later :)
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The ratio of defensive characters to enhancements is off. It should be, like, 9 characters to 7 enhancements. Trust me; it works. Just get rid of some unnecessary stuff, like great image and desecrate the temple, and put in more babylonians or something. To cut the deck down to 56, choose only one good brigade to play with and you're set. If you choose teal, you could splash in zechariah and haggai, and maybe use two bears as an enhancement, and provisions, but not much more than that. you could take out the rest of the green, and the hopper, and it'd be pretty close to 56. :)
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9-7 is pretty high. I would say 8-8 is fine.
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Take out the dingo and the kangaroo and add a didgeridoo. ;)
I would probably take out Nahum, Visions, Holy unto the Lord and Priestly Crown, and add in Gifts and two lost souls. 70 should draw fast enough.
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imho, 9 enhancements to 7 characters is enough. 9 to 8 is a little too much. Think of tim Mierz; that was the ratio he had, but that's not my only reason for pushing for that ratio. i use it too, and it is quite successful. The sheer number of characters may be enough, sometimes.
And if you want to dr4w it fast, make it 56; if70 should draw fast enough,
then 56 should draw SUPER fast.
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I really like this deck, you just have too many things going on at once. Here's what I would cut/change.
Lost Souls: 8
Hopper
Cannot be Prevented
Anti-Ignore
NT Only
Female Only
Wanderer
Revealer
Punisher
Good Dominants: 4
SoG
AotL
NJ
GoyS
Teal Heroes: 3
Joshua the High Priest
Priests of Christ
Phinehas, son of Eleazar
Teal Enhancements: 3
Zeal for the Lord
Jehoiada's Strength
Trumpet Blast
Green Heroes: 6
Micah
Haggai
Joel
Nahum
Benaiah
Miriam
Green Enhancements: 6
Two Bears
Plague of Frogs
Provisions
Search
Visions
Sword of the Lord
Multi Heroes: 1
Zechariah
Multi Enhancements: 2
Spiritual Warfare
Pentecost
Fortresses: 3
Obadiah's Caves
Wall of Protection
Headquarters at Ribblah
Arts/Covenants/Curses: 4
LotS
Hidden Treasures
Priestly Crown
UN
Evil Dominants: 3
CM
FA
DoN
Crimson Evil Characters: 7
Nergalsharezer
Ashpenaz
Arioch
The Imperial Guard
Judas Iscariot
Leviathan
Gomer (switch for King Merodach-Baladan)
Crimson Evil Enhancements: 6
Great Image
Head of Gold (switch for Carried Into Exile)
Nebuchadnezzar's Pride
Set Fire
Swift Horses
Desecrate the Temple
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Question #1: Who hacked Pol's account and started adding enhancements to his decks?
Question #2: I like DaClock's suggestions. (OK, I guess it's not really a question per se.)
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the defense is WAY too small; it should be about 16 or so cards. take out teh h0pp3r, put in nebushasban, switch gr8 im4g3 for m1d1anite attack, des3cr4te teh templ3 for christian suing another, switch pentecost for teh wing3d li0n, and switch obadiah's caves 4 treachery of jezebel. it should function pretty well w/ those changes.
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I definately like it better without your changes. I do believe you are missing the point of the deck.
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perhaps i am. tell me: what is the point of the deck then?
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To win with your defense!
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CXUCV5STh9g# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CXUCV5STh9g#)
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That's a great video. Minus that the first add I saw was "Is your Husband gay?"
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It's true that most people are missing the point of this deck. Clock's got some good suggestions, but I may as well go mono-green with those cuts. How about this?
Lost Souls: 9
Hopper
Cannot be Prevented
Anti-Ignore
NT Only
Female Only
Wanderer
Revealer
Punisher
Shame
Good Dominants: 4
SoG
AotL
NJ
GoyS
Teal Heroes: 5
Joshua the High Priest
Joiakim, Son of Joshua
Joiada, Son of Eliashib
Priests of Christ
Phinehas, son of Eleazar
Teal Enhancements: 3
Zeal for the Lord
Trumpet Blast
Filling Zerubabbel's Temple
Green Heroes: 6
Hur
Micah
Haggai
Joel
Benaiah
Miriam
Green Enhancements: 6
Two Bears
Plague of Frogs
Provisions
Search
Visions
Sword of the Lord
Multi Heroes: 1
Zechariah
Multi Enhancements: 2
Spiritual Warfare
Pentecost
Fortresses: 3
Zerubabbel's Temple
Wall of Protection
Headquarters at Ribblah
Arts/Covenants/Curses: 8
LotS
BotC
U&T
Hidden Treasures
Covenant with Levi
Covenant with Phinehas
Priestly Crown
UN
Gifts
Evil Dominants: 1
CM
Crimson Evil Characters: 7
Nergalsharezer
Ashpenaz
Arioch
Judas Iscariot
Leviathan
Gomer
King Evil
Crimson Evil Enhancements: 7
Great Image
Imitating Evil
Nebuchadnezzar's Pride
Belshazzar's Banquet
Midianite Attack
Swift Horses
Desecrate the Temple
It has enough drawing to warrant being 63 and still does everything it was intended to do.
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8 Artifact/curses/covenants is just too much. Not sure what to take out, but that's definitely too much.
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You can drop Priestly Crown for Set Fire.
Kirk
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6 ECs in a 63 card deck means to me that there will games where you will be giving away free LSs simply because you have no EC to defend with (and not defensive art activated at the time).
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That's why i, when i was giving advice, was saying 9 EC's and 7 EE's. but apparently i was 'missing the point of the deck.' And in a 63 card deck, you may want 10 EC's and 8 EE's.
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You still don't get that he's not using a normal distribution of characters. The first post is way short of a normal balanced deck, and thus tells me he wants to play an offensive deck.
And that's without even considering anything in the deck cahracter or enhancement wise.
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he wants to play an offensive deck.
But he is playing a 63 card deck. And that is not going to be a good combination.
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Not when your playing with Hur and Gifts, Search, and Z Temple feast recursion to speed it up.
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Exactly. The point is that I'll either get an offensive draw, which will let me draw everything else faster, or I'll get a defensive draw, which means I can block until my offense is needed.