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Currently at: 60
Total Cards: 56
   Lost Souls: 7
Female Only
N.T.
FBTN
Exchanger
*/4
Deck Discard
Site Doubler

   Fortresses: 2
High Places
Z’s Temple

   Artifacts: 11
Asherah Pole
Gifts of the Magi
Urim and Thummim
Burial Shroud
Lampstand
Chariot
Household Idols
Unknown Nation
Captured Ark
Covenant of Palestine
Gibeonite Curse

   Sites: 1
Hormah

   Dominants: 9
SoG
NJ
Grapes
AoTL
Mayhem
Christian Martyr
Burial
Falling Away
DoN

   Good Stuff: 5
Watchful Servant
Ahimaaz
Hur
Joiada
Feast of Trumpets

   Evil Characters: 13
Uzzah
King Ahab
Complainers
Jeering Youths
Gomer
Jezebel
Lot’s Wife
The Goat with Horn
Antiochus
Proud Pharisee
Pharisee
High Priest Caiaphas
The Entrapping Pharisee


   Evil Enhancements: 12
Dungeon of Malchiah
Gib’s Trick (Brown)
Plot
Korah’s Rebellion
Wickedness of the Tenants
Image of Jealousy
Dejected (but the gray version…I don't remember the title)
Prisoner Transfer
Balaam’s Dis
Just a Hireling
A-Bomb
Joseph in Prison
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This is basically a soul devastation lockout deck, hence the 56 and lack of Samaria. It also has elements of A-Bomb though, allowing me to get rid of some key cards that might rip through my defense. I have Gifts speed, but not much to back that up. Obviously, I need to cut a lot of cards, which is why I'm posting this here. I don't want to take out too much standard defense, but I also don't want to lose focus of endgame lockout. I'm struggling.

Okay, so the basic idea behind it is to get their lost souls into my LoB, and back into their deck, leaving my souls in their LoB. Is the key thing that hurts this, but the only way they're going to get that is by SoG/NJ, which I'll hopefully be able to discard with Gib's Curse.
Nebushash and Exchanger are how I get their souls into my LoB. I can Torment Nebushash to use him again if need be. There's also their exchanger, which they'll probably exchange at some point to try to get Female Only or something. That gives me 4 chances. After I have their lost soul in my LoB, I can stick it in Hormah, for infinite under the decking. I can use Dejected off of High Places, giving them one shot to rescue the lost soul, and I can use Covenant of Palestine if it's a captured Hero (which Dungeon of Malch should provide) to return it to territory.
Finally, Female Only, Hormah, N.T., and */4 can be used to lock out my opponent. I have Broken Cisterns to back up the */4, A-Bomb and others to back up Female and N.T., and Korah's Rebellion and Land Dispute to make Hormah safe. And Goliath helps all of them. So even if we assume their hopper works, they pull the shuffler off at the right time, and they get SoG/NJ, they're going to have a tough time getting to 5 (provided I can stop the initial assault).

So the main question is, will this even work? I think it will. Even if they get off to a strong start, I have the tools to hold them off in the long run, and should be getting them quickly enough just because of the sheer number of them. The other question is, what do I cut?

Chariot can come out since you have very little heroes. it just takes up a card slot

You're the expert here, but I'm not sure the Philly splash will be as useful as you want it to be.

What are you going to do if they DD your heroes set aside with FoT?  (Assuming all four are).

Hmm.  You're not worried about hand clog?

After I have their lost soul in my LoB, I can stick it in Hormah, for infinite under the decking.

Philly Outpost would like to know how that's possible.

A good card for your strategy would be Just a Hireling, but it looks like you don't have room. Death o' the Unrighteous and Great Image would be great too, but now I'm dreaming. I am also surprised you don't have King Zed. Is "Wickedness Removed" supposed to be "Wickedness Abounds"?

I thought I should chime in on this for Ringwraiths sake. I made a deck similar to this which worked for the most part. The key element to making it work it to soul swap as fast as possible. Deck discard is also your friend aka stacking your deck and using Jep. kind of thing as long as you can get rid of maybe half your souls or so before your opponent gets their meta offense running to full speed you still have a chance of winning.

My original deck used Grey/Pale Green/Splash Crimson (for the 3/3 dude) to soul stack and soul swap, Divination and Prisoner exchange are your friends with the later you can recur it multiple times. I also ran a small offense, small number of doms and small art pile to stuff in as many search auto blocks and stacking cards I could find. Burial Shroud is also a smart art to use as it gives you two turns to draw stuff and lets souls come out.

Note though that my deck was focused 99% on doing its job of soul manipulation so it would not be able to pull off as many blocks as with black and brown. But I was able to pull off the full swap more then once and lock out my opponent.

I seriously need to rethink this deck now. Lame. Maybe go more gray and use the gray AW card that does the same thing as Deception, Prisoner Transfer, and Just a Hireling. Thoughts?

Points at my post.

Btw you might also want to consider a soul stall deck using grey/palegreen throw in High Places with the AW soul stacker cards and you can stall your opponent for a long long time. I made a soul stall deck and used it during the 08 tourney season with great success.

Asherah pole is not stopped by Foreign Sword, cards granting conditional cbn are inherently cbn themselves.

Keep U&T, it triggers off of Ahimazz.

Broken Cisterns can be crippling to a gardenciples deck if you get it and high places on your opening draw. Jonathan Greeson taught me that.

I don't remember taking it out. That would be nice to fit in again...I have a lot to drop though. Hur?

Hur serves many purposes in this deck. Perhaps take a look at the plethora Artifacts?

Gifts, Lampstand, and Chariot are non-negotiable. Burial Shroud, UN, U&T, HHI, and AP could be dropped, but certainly only one or two. Probably BS and AP?

I'm not sure I'd drop either of them. Pole gained some extra power by becoming CBN in the recent ruling, which makes it harder to stop, since Foreign Sword doesn't hit it. Burial Shroud in the early-to-mid game gives you the chance to get six more cards (minimum) which can be a life saver for an anti-meta deck. If you draw it, it offers a moment's respite. You might want to consider taking out two additional cards for Naz (to protect from CA) and DD (nobody techs for it).

U&T for sure, you already have Ahimaaz.

Why no Golden Calf?

I would go CwD first.

And people really need to stop suggesting what to add, I need help taking things out!   

Quote from: Nameless on February 20, 2012, 06:15:08 PM

Why no Golden Calf?

I would go CwD first.

And people really need to stop suggesting what to add, I need help taking things out!   

CwD?

Also I do not see Nebushash in your deck.

It looks like a very interesting deck, keep it up. I like the idea.

You might want to consider taking out two additional cards for Naz (to protect from CA)...

For some reason, I read that part as:

You might want to consider taking out two additional cards for Natz (to protect from CA)...

I guess Natz needs to be protected from CA now :p.  If you don't get it, look where I live