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- greek philosophers
+ winged leopard

for starters.

I like the theory, but this deck is too fragile. I can't picture it being able to survive if it ever encounters a lost soul flood. You have no defense. Uzzah is a one, if your super lucky two, stall block. Antiochus is just large numbers. His ability will be negated against any non-Captain band deck (probably), and the Abomination strategy you have slows the game down by forcing you to do some discarding before you attack how you want to attack (TGT).

In response to the Winged Leopard argument, the reason I chose Philosophers was as a backup for Provisions. Obviously, my main choice of blocker would be Sabbath Breaker if Abom is out, but I'm sure it won't always work out that way. (Leopard also added an extra brigade.)

But...Wings of Calamity??? (fine, I'll stop. I just really wish that card could be useful somehow).

ad love at first sight for more speed 

Whoah, I totally missed that! It makes my opponent draw, too! Dur, that was in my original plan, but I forgot to put it in. I'll be sure to do that next time I update.

UGH, Another person gives into TGT, how sad

Actually, it's not. Because TGT techically isn't a brigade. And it really isn't even that good. It's territory destruction that is that good.

Unfortunately, TGT is still the most powerful brigade. Hopefully, it will get hurt some in the next set (or at least the TGT part will).

yEAH, MY NEXT deck plans have already
TEXP, IOJ, AND DESTRUCTIVE SIN LOL

...chuck the greeks? its an abom deck!

It was spam. Whatever else it was, it was spam first and foremost.

Deck Updated

I made a few very big changes, adding a bit more defense. However, I am currently at a rather strange number of cards - 54. I would like to get this down to 50 if at all possible.

Thanks guys for your help so far.

Isn't EC annihilation never a good idea for Multi?

Yeah... but it's fast... and can get rid of key cards (ie Unholy Writ) or a really annoying CotH

Only for one player though, right? I actually think this would be pretty awful in MP. It would just help everyone else (except the one person whom I drop the A-bom on). I never even play MP anyway, so it doesn't really make a difference (for me).

Anyway, keeping in mind that I will not be playing MP with this deck, do you think I should just put two more defensive cards in there and make it a 56? I'd like it to be speedy, but I can't really take anything out for offense (except maybe the Feast, which is a bit risky with DD and all, especially considering all the forced drawing I already have), and I need to have a relatively long-lasting defense for A-bom setting-up purposes.

EDIT: Update. I bumped the deck up to 56. I'd like to get it back down, but it just doesn't seem like it would be wise to take anything else out.

no martha? zaccheus could also be tremendously useful, because he can use meeting the messiah and search for any of your 4 forts.

kind of sad to see the pg go...women as snares is really good for tgt. confusion is also an awesome card...can potentially cost your opponent 2 rescues, or 1 by taking out a different offensive dominant/battle winner. in fact, heres what i propose:

women as snares
astrologers
damsel with spirit of divination

confusion
death of unrighteous

magic charms

all of those cards have great compatibility with each other. astrologers fits your theme of territory destruction/draw, and also has low numbers to set off a confusion/dou, or great for provisions food. and both astrologers/damsel can use magic charms, which i think is one of the absolute best battle winners in the game.

but elymas is useless, while damsel fits your draw theme. she's also pale green and can use both confusion and dou, whereas elymas is grey and cannot.

also, im not saying you should bump it up to 63. the deck works great at 50-56 with all the mass drawing...just find other stuff to take out. personally, i think you could do without:

love at first sight: too slow, requirement to be played in battle (of which susanna is the only one low enough to play it), hur accomplishes the same thing.
words of encouragement: this addition is puzzling, as the only two things you can words into is hir (already has built-in interrupt) or lafs...of which the latter really wouldnt accomplish anything. i suppose a fservant + this/aocp would be worthwhile, but 3 card combos take time.
woman at the well: i just feel martha and zaccheus could do so much more than watw in a deck like this...and you also dont want to fill your opponents backfield, lessening the effect of tgt.
greek philosophers: antiochus/winged leopard are pretty much the only ones needed for abom decks.
satan released: to get back trembling demon...?
kotw: i dont see ctb going around much in any meta nowadays, and kotw wont help against tgt decks either, since you really dont have enough ec's of the same brigade to fuel it.
wall: you shouldnt worry about your opponent banding to your evil, as you should be ignoring all their ec's. offensively it could be useful, but to me it still doesnt warrant a spot in the deck.

exchanges/additions:

guardian of your souls: this seems to me like a deck where you're planning to always be ahead of your opponent. guardian could help immensly.
harvest time: again, offense heavy decks should hit fast and hard, so you want every oppurtunity to attack. ht helps.
shame lost soul for discarder: you have no answer to deal with an ioj, ds, or spreading mildew placed on your tgt. at the very least, the discarder lost soul should be included in this deck.
balaams d: a great battle winner to use with your false priests or sabbath breaker.

also, do not take writ out of your deck; not only does it help tremendolusly in a deck with a small defense, but its also probably the most powerful non-dom defensive option in the game.

they were only suggestions, and as most suggestions by any player, they're pretty biased by the playstyle of that person.

one thing i forgot to say was do you find yourself using chariots alot? i dont think you'll find yourself in need of chariots that much...3 tgt heroes means you'll usually always have an oppurtunity to attack with a tgt lady...john/fs ensures an aocp use...joanna/hur ensures a search use. i dunno, you could either add writ back, or torment back (i was especially digging how torment had great compatibility with 3 of your evil characters: sb, tdemon, or uzzah).

I was going through my deck, and I wanted to see if I could in any way take advantage of my multicolor EC's. I was thinking I could put in Namaan's Chariot, which Antiochus could use, and then add a Black or Grey battle-winner or two. But then I thought maybe I could utilize Astrologers' Babylonianness. Nebushasban would be a good card to put in so I could steal my opponent's 2-/3-Liner or NT or Female LS or something. Great Image would be nice to have also, especially if I could follow it up with Belshazzar's banquet. Also, with two relatively low-number Babylonians, I might want to put Desecrate the Temple in as a Confusion backup. I might even go further to put Swift Horses and maybe Nebuchadnezzar in. What do you think about this?

nebby's pride (battle winner + awesomesauce against fbtn...whopping 18 defense when played on nebby)

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