Author Topic: strange axotic deck (needs critique and advise) (Read 6255 times)

cookie monster · « **on:** December 02, 2011, 06:30:05 PM »

This T1 deck is going to have a heretic, Judas defense, and a protect offence, yes a protect offence.
I need advice for both offence and defense. My offence is so far as follows (get ready):

Hero:
Ahimelek the Hittite
Guardian angel
The Angel Under The Oak
Gideon
Samuel
David (red)
Jacob

GE:
striking Herod
Samuel's edict
Bravery of David
Wheel within a wheel
battle cry

EC:
Judas Iscariot
Red Dragon
Sapphire
Creeping Deceiver
False Teacher
Philetus

EE:
arrest in Gethsemane
Judas' plot
Imitating evil
Deceit of sapphire
A-Bomb
Thievery of Judas
Wolves in Sheep's Clothing

Artifact:
unholy write

site:
all disciples sites except nazzy
pergamum

I will only update list if I own the card.

Here are some cards I do not have yet but will put in my deck when I get them.

GE:
Protection of angels

EE:
Nebby's Pride
Belshazzar's Banquet

Please post your advice and card ideas for this deck.

Please post
Thank you

God Bless!

Red Wing · « **Reply #1 on:** December 02, 2011, 06:39:07 PM »

Quote from: cookie monster on December 02, 2011, 06:30:05 PM

This T1 deck is going to have a heretic, Judas defense, and a protect offence, yes a protect offence.
I need advice for both offence and defense. My offence is so far as follows (get ready):

Ahimelek the Hittite
Gabriel meets Zechariah
watchful servant
birth foretold
striking Herod
Guardian angel
Gabriel (disciples)
Samuel's edict
Bravery of David
Wheel within a wheel
The Angel Under The Oak
Angel With the secret name
Gideon
Samuel
David (red)
David (if possible, with red)
Jacob

Please give advice and card ideas, especially with heretics. Offence is not finished (as you can probably tell).

Please post
Thank you

God Bless!

Here are some good cards to have in a Heretic defense:

Creeping Deceiver
False Teacher
Philetus
Judas Iscariot
King Zimri
Uzzah (Okay, not a heretic, but a good autoblock)
maybe Saphira ( she can band to creeping deceiver

Christian Suing Another
Thievery of Judas
Wolves in Sheep's Clothing
Nebby's Pride
Belshazzar's Banquet
Deceit of Saphira (If you use Saphira)
Imitating Evil (maybe)
Torment or

and all the Disciples sites except Nazzy, because you have a lot of search abilities on the offense.

Hope this helps!

cookie monster · « **Reply #2 on:** December 02, 2011, 06:46:00 PM »

Quote from: Red Wing on December 02, 2011, 06:39:07 PM

Quote from: cookie monster on December 02, 2011, 06:30:05 PM
This T1 deck is going to have a heretic, Judas defense, and a protect offence, yes a protect offence.
I need advice for both offence and defense. My offence is so far as follows (get ready):

Ahimelek the Hittite
Gabriel meets Zechariah
watchful servant
birth foretold
striking Herod
Guardian angel
Gabriel (disciples)
Samuel's edict
Bravery of David
Wheel within a wheel
The Angel Under The Oak
Angel With the secret name
Gideon
Samuel
David (red)
David (if possible, with red)
Jacob

Please give advice and card ideas, especially with heretics. Offence is not finished (as you can probably tell).

Please post
Thank you

God Bless!

Here are some good cards to have in a Heretic defense:

Creeping Deceiver
False Teacher
Philetus
Judas Iscariot
King Zimri
Uzzah (Okay, not a heretic, but a good autoblock)
maybe Saphira ( she can band to creeping deceiver

Christian Suing Another
Thievery of Judas
Wolves in Sheep's Clothing
Nebby's Pride
Belshazzar's Banquet
Deceit of Saphira (If you use Saphira)
Imitating Evil (maybe)
Torment or

and all the Disciples sites except Nazzy, because you have a lot of search abilities on the offense.

Hope this helps!

Thanks this does help. Would Head of Gold be a good idea?

Red Wing · « **Reply #3 on:** December 02, 2011, 06:50:30 PM »

only if you are using Babylonians. But splashing a few Babs like maybe Nebby, King Belshazzar, & Nebushashban isn't a bad idea.

Nameless · « **Reply #4 on:** December 02, 2011, 06:51:20 PM »

Quote from: cookie monster on December 02, 2011, 06:46:00 PM

Quote from: Red Wing on December 02, 2011, 06:39:07 PM
Quote from: cookie monster on December 02, 2011, 06:30:05 PM
This T1 deck is going to have a heretic, Judas defense, and a protect offence, yes a protect offence.
I need advice for both offence and defense. My offence is so far as follows (get ready):

Ahimelek the Hittite
Gabriel meets Zechariah
watchful servant
birth foretold
striking Herod
Guardian angel
Gabriel (disciples)
Samuel's edict
Bravery of David
Wheel within a wheel
The Angel Under The Oak
Angel With the secret name
Gideon
Samuel
David (red)
David (if possible, with red)
Jacob

Please give advice and card ideas, especially with heretics. Offence is not finished (as you can probably tell).

Please post
Thank you

God Bless!

Here are some good cards to have in a Heretic defense:

Creeping Deceiver
False Teacher
Philetus
Judas Iscariot
King Zimri
Uzzah (Okay, not a heretic, but a good autoblock)
maybe Saphira ( she can band to creeping deceiver

Christian Suing Another
Thievery of Judas
Wolves in Sheep's Clothing
Nebby's Pride
Belshazzar's Banquet
Deceit of Saphira (If you use Saphira)
Imitating Evil (maybe)
Torment or

and all the Disciples sites except Nazzy, because you have a lot of search abilities on the offense.

Hope this helps!

Thanks this does help. Would Head of Gold be a good idea?

no it would not be a good idea. and could you sort your deck list? please.

Josh · « **Reply #5 on:** December 03, 2011, 09:00:35 AM »

You have very few battlewinners in this deck. I understand that is the outgrowth of your offensive goal (protection), but throwing in A Soldier's Prayer to recur Bravery of David seems like a good idea.

cookie monster · « **Reply #6 on:** December 03, 2011, 11:01:20 AM »

Quote from: jmhartz on December 03, 2011, 09:00:35 AM

You have very few battlewinners in this deck. I understand that is the outgrowth of your offensive goal (protection), but throwing in A Soldier's Prayer to recur Bravery of David seems like a good idea.

I am not done with the list, I will probably add some more battle winners. Soldier's prayer wouldn't be a bad idea though

The list is sorted.

Nameless · « **Reply #7 on:** December 03, 2011, 11:08:34 AM »

If you want a protect deck then you need a Isaiah and King Hez.

cookie monster · « **Reply #8 on:** December 03, 2011, 11:27:01 AM »

Quote from: Nameless on December 03, 2011, 11:08:34 AM

If you want a protect deck then you need a Isaiah and King Hez.

What does king hez do?
Isaiah sounds like a good idea though.

JSB23 · « **Reply #9 on:** December 03, 2011, 11:38:46 AM »

Isaiah protects purple kings from harm, CBN.
and
King Hez (purple one) bands to Isaiah

Also it's spelled "exotic"

SomeKittens · « **Reply #10 on:** December 03, 2011, 02:10:20 PM »

Protect offense? I don't see Thad anywhere....

cookie monster · « **Reply #11 on:** December 04, 2011, 03:11:10 PM »

I put battle cry in.

Nameless · « **Reply #12 on:** December 04, 2011, 06:45:59 PM »

If you want a protect offense here's your offense

Spoiler (hover to show)

Red Wing · « **Reply #13 on:** December 04, 2011, 06:50:40 PM »

Quote from: Nameless on December 04, 2011, 06:45:59 PM

If you want a protect offense here's your offense

Spoiler (hover to show)
Thad
James the lesser
Phil
Bart
John
Then other James
Matt
Tom
Simon
Peter
Andrew

Fishing Boat
Herod's Temple

AOCP
Reach
Pentecost
My Lord and My God
Passover Hymn
Faith like a mustard Seed

Holy Grail

Judas

there are so many counters to thad, that you might not even use his ability much at all. While cookie monster's offense could probably use some adjusting, at least it shows a little creativity.

cookie monster · « **Reply #14 on:** December 04, 2011, 08:16:23 PM »

I updated the list and added defense and artifacts to the list.

Warrior_Monk · « **Reply #15 on:** December 04, 2011, 10:00:34 PM »

Quote from: cookie monster on December 02, 2011, 06:30:05 PM

This T1 deck is going to have a heretic, Judas defense, and a protect offence, yes a protect offence.
I need advice for both offence and defense.

If you want a protect offense, Teal is the best way to go. Fast and completely protected. Seems like you're more going for a Bulletproof offense. Which you'd want to have Samson in.

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My offence is so far as follows (get ready):

Hero:
Ahimelek the Hittite
Watchful Servant
Guardian angel
Gabriel (disciples)
The Angel Under The Oak
Angel With the secret name
Gideon
Samuel
David (red)
David (green if possible, with red)
Jacob

GE:
Gabriel meets Zechariah
Birth foretold
Striking Herod
Samuel's edict
Bravery of David
Wheel within a wheel
Battle Cry

Okay, first off, the hero choice is a bit strange with those enhancements. Angel With a Secret Name, while being nice for getting out Samuel, really isn't worth the slot in this deck. Watchful Servant is a nice endgame strategy, but I really don't see this deck going endgame too often.

Jacob to Guardian Angel is cool, but you don't have anything to back it up if they kill your Guardian Angel (and since they can't take out your Jacob, expect Guardian Angel to be the one taking the hits). If you want a protection offense, leave them in, but add in more blue, like Claudia, and some blue enhancements. Angel of God, Israelite Archer, and Heldai would be right at home. Maybe throw in a bit more gold, and you'll be good. Something like this:

Heroes: 9
Angel of God
Angel under the Oak
Samuel
Gideon
Israelite Archer
David (Red)
Ahimilek
Heldai
Ishmaiah

Good Enhancements: 7
Striking Herod
Bravery of David
Samuel's Edict
A Soldier's Prayer
Wheel within a Wheel
Deborah's Directive
Battle Cry

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EC:
Judas Iscariot

EE:
arrest in Gethsemane
Judas' plot
Satan Enters Judas

Judas will be awesome this year. Heretics, not so much. I recommend keeping Judas but throwing out the heretics. Themeless Crimson is good. I would go with something like this:

Evil Characters: 8
Judas
Nebuchadnezzar
Nebushashban
King Belshazzar
Red Dragon
Saphira
Ananias
Leviathan

Evil Enhancements: 7
Christian Suing Another
Midianite Attack
Belshazzar's Banquet
Swift Horses
Deceit of Saphira
Great Image
Nebuchadnezzar's Pride

RTSmaniac · « **Reply #16 on:** December 05, 2011, 10:43:24 AM »

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Judas will be awesome this year

Im just curious...is it because of the rise of Sam's Edict, Bravery of David, and AoC?

SomeKittens · « **Reply #17 on:** December 05, 2011, 10:46:21 AM »

Quote from: RTSmaniac on December 05, 2011, 10:43:24 AM

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Judas will be awesome this year

Im just curious...is it because of the rise of Sam's Edict, Bravery of David, and AoC?

Yup. Plus, 6/6 isn't that bad for inish against the big bands that use such cards.

Red Wing · « **Reply #18 on:** December 05, 2011, 02:01:04 PM »

I'd definitely recommend Unholy Writ as well.

cookie monster · « **Reply #19 on:** December 05, 2011, 02:11:00 PM »

Quote from: Ring Wraith on December 04, 2011, 10:00:34 PM

Quote from: cookie monster on December 02, 2011, 06:30:05 PM
This T1 deck is going to have a heretic, Judas defense, and a protect offence, yes a protect offence.
I need advice for both offence and defense.
If you want a protect offense, Teal is the best way to go. Fast and completely protected. Seems like you're more going for a Bulletproof offense. Which you'd want to have Samson in.

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My offence is so far as follows (get ready):

Hero:
Ahimelek the Hittite
Watchful Servant
Guardian angel
Gabriel (disciples)
The Angel Under The Oak
Angel With the secret name
Gideon
Samuel
David (red)
David (green if possible, with red)
Jacob

GE:
Gabriel meets Zechariah
Birth foretold
Striking Herod
Samuel's edict
Bravery of David
Wheel within a wheel
Battle Cry
Okay, first off, the hero choice is a bit strange with those enhancements. Angel With a Secret Name, while being nice for getting out Samuel, really isn't worth the slot in this deck. Watchful Servant is a nice endgame strategy, but I really don't see this deck going endgame too often.

Jacob to Guardian Angel is cool, but you don't have anything to back it up if they kill your Guardian Angel (and since they can't take out your Jacob, expect Guardian Angel to be the one taking the hits). If you want a protection offense, leave them in, but add in more blue, like Claudia, and some blue enhancements. Angel of God, Israelite Archer, and Heldai would be right at home. Maybe throw in a bit more gold, and you'll be good. Something like this:

Heroes: 9
Angel of God
Angel under the Oak
Samuel
Gideon
Israelite Archer
David (Red)
Ahimilek
Heldai
Ishmaiah

Good Enhancements: 7
Striking Herod
Bravery of David
Samuel's Edict
A Soldier's Prayer
Wheel within a Wheel
Deborah's Directive
Battle Cry

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EC:
Judas Iscariot

EE:
arrest in Gethsemane
Judas' plot
Satan Enters Judas
Judas will be awesome this year. Heretics, not so much. I recommend keeping Judas but throwing out the heretics. Themeless Crimson is good. I would go with something like this:

Evil Characters: 8
Judas
Nebuchadnezzar
Nebushashban
King Belshazzar
Red Dragon
Saphira
Ananias
Leviathan

Evil Enhancements: 7
Christian Suing Another
Midianite Attack
Belshazzar's Banquet
Swift Horses
Deceit of Saphira
Great Image
Nebuchadnezzar's Pride

I will add some more blue, but I do not have the cards I am thinking of. I am also going to put in chamber of angels since I have a lot of Angels. Sampson is going to get in this deck as soon as I get him. I am going with the heretics because I am curios as to why people say they are so bad, and they are sort of exotic, wouldn't you say.

My hero choice was based on the different strategies that I have thought about using, but that haven't made it into any other decks. Also I have a lot of banding enhancements (and I will get more) in this deck that may be more effective as enhancements as opposed to hero abilities. Plus, this adds more exotic to this deck.

I do appreciated your advice and may use some of it in this, and future decks.

Thanks for the adviced though

cookie monster · « **Reply #20 on:** December 05, 2011, 02:13:29 PM »

Quote from: Red Wing on December 05, 2011, 02:01:04 PM

I'd definitely recommend Unholy Writ as well.

Not a bad idea.

It's in the deck.

Red Wing · « **Reply #21 on:** December 05, 2011, 02:22:32 PM »

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I am going with the heretics because I am curios as to why people say they are so bad, and they are sort of exotic, wouldn't you say.

The reason Heretics aren't very good in T1 is that they hardly have an cards, and all their special abilities can be negated somehow (except creeping deceiver). Creeping Deceiver takes a good bit of time to set up too. Also, they don't have any really good battle winners( other than belly's banquet & Nebby's pride). In other words, there are just better defenses out there.

cookie monster · « **Reply #22 on:** December 05, 2011, 03:03:33 PM »

Quote from: Red Wing on December 05, 2011, 02:22:32 PM

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I am going with the heretics because I am curios as to why people say they are so bad, and they are sort of exotic, wouldn't you say.
The reason Heretics aren't very good in T1 is that they hardly have an cards, and all their special abilities can be negated somehow (except creeping deceiver). Creeping Deceiver takes a good bit of time to set up too. Also, they don't have any really good battle winners( other than belly's banquet & Nebby's pride). In other words, there are just better defenses out there.

I am still going to try them. I may add some other defensive cards, do Babylonians work with heretics well?

SomeKittens · « **Reply #23 on:** December 05, 2011, 03:46:24 PM »

Babs do mesh well with Heritics, and can hold off until Creeper gets set up. Still not the best, but hey, experimenting is good!

BubbleBoy · « **Reply #24 on:** December 05, 2011, 04:41:29 PM »

Quote from: SomeKittens on December 05, 2011, 03:46:24 PM

Babs do mesh

Before reading the rest of this sentence, I was wondering what language this could possibly be.

I would suggest both Chenaniah and Protection of Angels in this offense. In fact, a full Musician/Jugde/Angel offense would be interesting now that I think of it. Both Deborah and Moses are Musicians, aren't they? Hm...

Red Wing · « **Reply #25 on:** December 05, 2011, 04:44:54 PM »

you don't think Babs would go well with Heretics BB? But Moses & Deb are indeed musicians.

Warrior_Monk · « **Reply #26 on:** December 05, 2011, 04:58:42 PM »

Quote from: BubbleBoy on December 05, 2011, 04:41:29 PM

Quote from: SomeKittens on December 05, 2011, 03:46:24 PM
Babs do mesh
Before reading the rest of this sentence, I was wondering what language this could possibly be.

I have to agree with you. Heretics really don't mesh with anything. Babs kinda mesh with everything due to them not having a lot of "if used by a Babylonian" enhancements.

The thing about heretics is they can only do a very limited amount. They protect lost souls, so you'll want 7 lost souls so you won't have any that you can't protect. Unfortunately, Creeping Deceiver (the only good heretic) can only protect 3 lost souls, and they have to be in sites. The sites take quite a bit of deck clog, which makes it difficult to keep it at 50-56 cards. Additionally, there's only so much Creeping Deceiver can do in T1. You get 3 uses at best. Creeping, Torment, Wolves. All of the other heretics lose initiative and can be interrupted. So they take up a lot of space and don't do much.

BubbleBoy · « **Reply #27 on:** December 05, 2011, 04:59:55 PM »

Quote from: Red Wing on December 05, 2011, 04:44:54 PM

you don't think Babs would go well with Heretics BB?

I actually have no idea. They're the same brigade, so I imagine they could mesh. I was just commenting on the way the first few words of SK's post sounded to me at first glance. Sorry for the confusion.

EDIT: Instaposted, but the response remains the same.

TheHobbit13 · « **Reply #28 on:** December 05, 2011, 05:14:28 PM »

Cookie you gonna be at the tourney on the 10th to test this out?

cookie monster · « **Reply #29 on:** December 06, 2011, 04:57:09 PM »

Quote from: TheHobbit13 on December 05, 2011, 05:14:28 PM

Cookie you gonna be at the tourney on the 10th to test this out?

I will be at the tournament on the 10th, but this deck will probably not be finished. This deck isn't even close to being done. If I get enough of the cards I am looking for before the tournament and in between the rounds, then I might be able to use it in teems.

TheHobbit13 · « **Reply #30 on:** December 06, 2011, 05:09:28 PM »

Nice.

cookie monster · « **Reply #31 on:** December 06, 2011, 05:41:28 PM »

I updated the list and added the cards I do not have yet.

cookie monster · « **Reply #32 on:** December 07, 2011, 01:45:51 PM »

I put more cards in the deck, a Babylonian and desecrate the temple are two of them. What do you think of this.

Nameless · « **Reply #33 on:** December 08, 2011, 06:35:32 PM »

At the tournament i can trade you Sampson and Christian Suing Another and maybe some other things too.

cookie monster · « **Reply #34 on:** December 09, 2011, 01:55:04 PM »

Quote from: Nameless on December 08, 2011, 06:35:32 PM

At the tournament i can trade you Sampson and Christian Suing Another and maybe some other things too.

Do you happen to have an B-bomb for trade?

Nameless · « **Reply #35 on:** December 09, 2011, 05:21:20 PM »

Quote from: cookie monster on December 09, 2011, 01:55:04 PM

Quote from: Nameless on December 08, 2011, 06:35:32 PM
At the tournament i can trade you Sampson and Christian Suing Another and maybe some other things too.

Do you happen to have an B-bomb for trade?

Yes I should and I have Judas's Plot and Thievery.

cookie monster · « **Reply #36 on:** December 15, 2011, 06:40:33 PM »

What are the best N.T lost souls for this deck,I am looking for protected lost souls specifically.

Nameless · « **Reply #37 on:** December 15, 2011, 06:54:57 PM »

I would take out these since they are not protected from everything.

Ahimelek the Hittite
watchful servant
Gabriel (disciples)
Samuel
David (red)

GE:
Gabriel meets Zechariah
striking Herod
Bravery of David
battle cry

cookie monster · « **Reply #38 on:** December 15, 2011, 07:01:44 PM »

Quote from: Nameless on December 15, 2011, 06:54:57 PM

I would take out these since they are not protected from everything.

Ahimelek the Hittite
watchful servant
Gabriel (disciples)
Samuel
David (red)

GE:
Gabriel meets Zechariah
striking Herod
Bravery of David
battle cry

I have taken some of those cards out, but I am going to keep some of the banding in.

cookie monster · « **Reply #39 on:** December 15, 2011, 07:09:56 PM »

List updated!

Red Wing · « **Reply #40 on:** December 15, 2011, 07:23:35 PM »

Quote from: cookie monster on December 15, 2011, 06:40:33 PM

What are the best N.T lost souls for this deck,I am looking for protected lost souls specifically.

Here are some of the better ones:

Luke 13_25 (Di)

Type: Lost Soul • Brigade: None • Ability: None • Class: None • Special Ability: If an opponent plays a good Dominant, you may place this Lost Soul beneath owner's deck. • Identifiers: None • Verse: Luke 13:25 • Availability: Disciples booster packs ()

Luke 16_20-21 (Di)

Type: Lost Soul • Brigade: None • Ability: None • Class: None • Special Ability: When this Lost Soul is rescued, you may shuffle a N.T. Lost Soul into deck. • Play As: When this Lost Soul is rescued, you may return a N.T. Lost Soul into deck. • Identifiers: None • Verse: Luke 16:20-21 • Availability: Disciples booster packs ()

Acts 11_18 (Ap)

Type: Lost Soul • Brigade: None • Ability: None • Class: None • Special Ability: This Lost Soul may only be rescued by a N.T. Hero. • Play As: Protect this Lost Soul from rescue, except by a N.T. Hero. • Identifiers: None • Verse: Acts 11:18 • Availability: Apostles booster packs (Rare)

I Corinthians 1_27 (G) (if you are using sites)

Type: Lost Soul • Brigade: None • Ability: None • Class: None • Special Ability: If you put this lost soul in a site, each of your opponents must discard a card from hand. • Play As: If you place this Lost Soul in a site, each of your opponents must discard a card from hand. • Identifiers: None • Verse: I Corinthians 1:27 • Availability: G Deck

Romans 3_23 (AW)

Type: Lost Soul • Brigade: None • Ability: None • Class: None • Special Ability: When you draw this card, each opponent must reveal the top two cards of his draw pile. Place each revealed Lost Soul in owner's Land of Bondage. Place the rest beneath owner's draw pile. • Identifiers: None • Verse: Romans 3:23 • Availability: Angel Wars booster packs (Rare)

cookie monster · « **Reply #41 on:** December 16, 2011, 01:16:58 PM »

Those will work quite nicely

thank you for the advice.

cookie monster · « **Reply #42 on:** December 19, 2011, 02:56:12 PM »

The protect deck won its first two games. One vs my brother, one vs Neil de bomb. This deck is off to a good start.

Nameless · « **Reply #43 on:** December 19, 2011, 06:47:04 PM »

nice. You should find a way to put more battle winners in this.

cookie monster · « **Reply #44 on:** December 23, 2011, 02:49:41 PM »

I am looking evil battle winners, My heroes have done wonders, even when I don't have an enhancements.

SomeKittens · « **Reply #45 on:** December 23, 2011, 03:46:57 PM »

Belshazzar's Banquet is a nice CBI battlewinner for crimson.

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