Author Topic: Stonewall Jackson deck (Read 2492 times)

wyatt_marcum · « **on:** July 26, 2012, 08:47:10 PM »

i need some help with this. its supposed to be a stonewall deck. i know i need to fix something. don't know what though.
Cards in deck: 63
Lost Souls: 8
   Lost Soul (can't be prevented)
   Lost Soul (female only)
   Lost Soul (N.T. only)
   Lost Soul (revealer)
   Lost Soul (Site Discard)
   Lost Soul (site doubler)
   Lost Soul (Wanderer)
   Lost Souls (2-line)

Lamb Dominants: 3
   Angel of the Lord
   New Jerusalem
   Son of God

Grim Reaper Dominants: 1
   Christian Martyr

Fortresses: 1
   Philistine Outpost

Red Sites: 6
   Ashdod
   Babylon
   Babylon
   Babylon
   Babylon
   Babylon

Green Sites: 1
   Babylonian Banquet Hall

Purple Sites: 1
   Pergamum

Artifacts: 8
   Altar of Incense
   Asherah Pole
   Chariot of Fire
   David's Harp
   Gifts of the Magi
   Magic Charms
   The Bronze Laver
   Unholy Writ

White Covenant Cards: 5
   Captured Ark (Crimson)
   Confusion of Mind (Pale Green)
   Go Into Captivity (Crimson)
   Unknown Nation (Yellow)
   Unsuccessful (Gray)

Blue Covenant Cards: 1
   Covenant of Noah

Blue Heroes: 1
   Zebulun

Purple Heroes: 1
   John

Blue Hero Enhancements: 1
   Forgiveness of Joseph

Purple Hero Enhancements: 1
   Authority of Christ

Black Evil Characters: 8
   Fallen Warrior
   Goliath
   Herod the Great
   Philistine Armor Bearer
   Philistine Garrison
   Philistine Priests
   Simon the Magician
   The Twelve-Fingered Giant

Multi-Color Evil Enhancements: 1
   Herod's Treachery

Black Evil Enhancements: 12
   Bringing Fear
   Danites Attack
   Devourer
   Foolish Advice
   Intent to Kill
   Joseph in Prison
   Land Dispute
   Net
   Overwhelmed by Philistines
   Philistine Chariot and Horses
   Pride of Simon
   Wrath of Satan

Brown Evil Enhancements: 2
   Gibeonite Trickery
   Haman's Plot

DDiceRC · « **Reply #1 on:** July 26, 2012, 09:31:55 PM »

Andrew Jackson wasn't "Stonewall." That was Thomas Jackson of the Confederate Army.

wyatt_marcum · « **Reply #2 on:** July 26, 2012, 09:35:35 PM »

your right. sorry.

Captain Kirk · « **Reply #3 on:** July 26, 2012, 10:05:29 PM »

With your focus being on defense you will want to have at least a few more evil characters. You should take a look at Tyler Steven's or Andrew Wester's black defenses that both took 3rd at the past two nationals for an idea of the ratio of EC:EE.

I think an orange splash is one of the things you can do in a defense heavy deck as Gates of Hell allows the battle to continue after a battle winner. In a pinch you can also discard down to find the right EC. Especially as there are so many Orange ECs that have a 2nd color they go well in decks like this.

Kirk

jbeers285 · « **Reply #4 on:** July 26, 2012, 10:45:29 PM »

U literally only have 5 rescues including SoG NJ and AotL
What if ur opponent uses unknown nation after your AoCP? Now you can only save 4?

Also why not throw in carcasses to make dc abilities CBN?

wyatt_marcum · « **Reply #5 on:** July 26, 2012, 10:50:04 PM »

i have Zebulan for the very end. i ignore them cause i have no more cards in my hand.

jbeers285 · « **Reply #6 on:** July 26, 2012, 11:45:52 PM »

If chariots Destroyed and they CM Zeb ur hurting

Idk I guess it's risky IMO i would try to add at least 2 more rescues but I would suggest 4-5 more but that does take away from your defense at the same time.

TheJaylor · « **Reply #7 on:** July 27, 2012, 12:04:09 AM »

Brass Serpent? That'll stop CM. Plus Herod's Temple might be nice as well.

wyatt_marcum · « **Reply #8 on:** July 27, 2012, 12:10:35 AM »

i have David's Harp, which i would use before Chariots. it is a bit better because you get it back next turn garenteed.

Minister Polarius · « **Reply #9 on:** July 27, 2012, 07:03:52 AM »

I own the copyright to Stonewall. Please change the name to "Kitchen Dust Spaghetti."

Minion of Jesus · « **Reply #10 on:** July 27, 2012, 08:12:39 AM »

Quote from: Minister Polarius on July 27, 2012, 07:03:52 AM

I own the copyright to Stonewall. Please change the name to "Kitchen Dust Spaghetti."

That would be a name to strike fear into any heart.

Prof Underwood · « **Reply #11 on:** July 27, 2012, 10:19:10 AM »

In (4): 4 more doms (Grapes, Mayhem, DoN, Burial)
Doms are the most powerful cards in the game. You want as many as you can get.

Out (3): 2 Babylons and Ashdod
3 Babs, BBH, and Perg can hold 7 LSs. You don't need more than that, and almost all your stuff is black so you don't need Ashdod.

Out (6): Altar of Incense, A-Pole, GotM, Bronze Laver, Unsuccessful, Cov of Noah
AoI is lame. A-Pole hurts you. GotM is only for speed decks. BL is more for Orange. Unsuccessful is lame. Cov of Noah is cool, but you need the spot more elsewhere.

In: (1): Kingdoms of this World
You want some place to put your territory autoblocks (Herod + Treachery & Simon + Charms) where they won't just get AotL'd. It will also stop choose the blocker which is making a comeback this season.

In: (3): The Amelekite's Slave, Uzzah, Gomer
You need more ECs just in case you haven't drawn your Philly Outpost. TaS can get one of your Phillys and create a LS for you. Uzzah is an autoblock, and Gomer lets you steal your opponents defense that might be causing Zeb a problem.

Out (5): Devourer, Intent to Kill, Net, Overwhelmed by Phillys, Gib Trick
You are playing a site lock-out strategy. As long as you kill their access you win. None of these cards above are going to affect their access at all. Most of them you won't get initiative to play, and they can be negated anyway. Gib trick can't, but it's brown so not worth the spot.

Out (4): Zebulun, John, Forgiveness of Joe, AoC
This offense will NOT win you enough LSs to possibly win the game.

This leaves you 10 spots to make an offense. I would suggest either going with an Isaiah -or- Genesis recursion offense or an invincible Zeb -or- Watchful Servant -or- Job offense.

Professoralstad · « **Reply #12 on:** July 27, 2012, 11:13:28 AM »

Quote from: Prof Underwood on July 27, 2012, 10:19:10 AM

In (4): 4 more doms (Grapes, Mayhem, DoN, Burial)
Doms are the most powerful cards in the game. You want as many as you can get.

Out (3): 2 Babylons and Ashdod
3 Babs, BBH, and Perg can hold 7 LSs. You don't need more than that, and almost all your stuff is black so you don't need Ashdod.

Out (6): Altar of Incense, A-Pole, GotM, Bronze Laver, Unsuccessful, Cov of Noah
AoI is lame. A-Pole hurts you. GotM is only for speed decks. BL is more for Orange. Unsuccessful is lame. Cov of Noah is cool, but you need the spot more elsewhere.

In: (1): Kingdoms of this World
You want some place to put your territory autoblocks (Herod + Treachery & Simon + Charms) where they won't just get AotL'd. It will also stop choose the blocker which is making a comeback this season.

In: (3): The Amelekite's Slave, Uzzah, Gomer
You need more ECs just in case you haven't drawn your Philly Outpost. TaS can get one of your Phillys and create a LS for you. Uzzah is an autoblock, and Gomer lets you steal your opponents defense that might be causing Zeb a problem.

Out (5): Devourer, Intent to Kill, Net, Overwhelmed by Phillys, Gib Trick
You are playing a site lock-out strategy. As long as you kill their access you win. None of these cards above are going to affect their access at all. Most of them you won't get initiative to play, and they can be negated anyway. Gib trick can't, but it's brown so not worth the spot.

Out (4): Zebulun, John, Forgiveness of Joe, AoC
This offense will NOT win you enough LSs to possibly win the game.

This leaves you 10 spots to make an offense. I would suggest either going with an Isaiah -or- Genesis recursion offense or an invincible Zeb -or- Watchful Servant -or- Job offense.

Mostly agree, but I would never build a defensive heavy deck without the Bronze Laver. And I think Zebulun is okay, you just need to provide better ways to recur him and protect him from capture. Covenant of Palestine, Ahimaaz, The Tabernacle (better than a Temple because it can't get killed by Desecrate the Temple, which is used in Babylonian defenses), Lampstand of the Sanctuary, and Kerith Ravine. Keep Laver and Asherah Pole (it only hurts you if you get blocked, which shouldn't happen often if you play your cards right). Also keep Gibeonite Trickery if you end up adding the three Brown EC's Prof U suggested, the card is too good not to use in case you've been having trouble locking them out (which you often will, especially since Samuel decks will have plenty of Heroes with access to your Sites.

As to your Sites, Red and Green are two of the most popular colors to use in T1 this year, which means your deck will not be site-lock as is, and will probably barely be site-stall. I would probably use different color sites, and focus on NT sites with Caesarea Phillipi. I would use the following: Caesarea Phillipi, Golgotha (then throw in Abe's Descendant so you can recur an EE that way), Pergamum, and then maybe two more NT Purple sites (Marketplace, Patmos, or Herod's Temple all work). Sure, Disciples will still have access to the Purple, but they have Fishing Boat anyway, which you can't get rid of in this deck. But any other deck using Purple will only have 2-3 Purple Heroes (Abigail, King David, and/or King Amaziah) which you can hopefully dispatch via other means. You could also toss in Goliath's Armor if you have room, if Disciples give you trouble.

CJSports · « **Reply #13 on:** July 27, 2012, 12:50:51 PM »

I would use WS over zebulun because your opponent's will deck faster and doesn't have a stipulation and you can have a hand andyou can't be captured and you can use HT. Any reason you would use Zeb first?

wyatt_marcum · « **Reply #14 on:** July 27, 2012, 01:29:18 PM »

what is WS? Women as Snares?

Red Wing · « **Reply #15 on:** July 27, 2012, 01:42:44 PM »

Quote from: wyatt_marcum on July 27, 2012, 01:29:18 PM

what is WS? Women as Snares?

Watchful Servant

wyatt_marcum · « **Reply #16 on:** July 27, 2012, 02:02:23 PM »

ah. ok.

jbeers285 · « **Reply #17 on:** July 27, 2012, 02:07:13 PM »

As far as dom's go if ur already at 63 I say add a soul and a 9th dom an take out one card

Prof Underwood · « **Reply #18 on:** July 27, 2012, 04:18:59 PM »

Quote from: jbeers285 on July 27, 2012, 02:07:13 PM

As far as dom's go if ur already at 63 I say add a soul and a 9th dom an take out one card

I disagree. At 63 you can already fit in SoG+NJ, AotL, Grapes, Mayhem, CM, Burial, and DoN.

If you were to add another Dom your choices are: HT, GotL, GoYS, FA, and Doubt. Obviously you don't want GotL and Doubt. And since you are waiting until the end of the game to make rescues HT will also be useless. That just leaves FA and GoYS, but with a slow defense-heavy deck like this you will almost NEVER draw either of those before your opponent has drawn the one that stops it. I just don't think they are worth the spot in a deck like this.

TheJaylor · « **Reply #19 on:** July 28, 2012, 12:52:28 AM »

Red/purple sites Goliath + Goliath's Armor and Bear + Wings of Calamity = win (well, most of the time).

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Author Topic: Stonewall Jackson deck (Read 2492 times)