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Redemption® Collectible Trading Card Game HQ => Deck Building & Design => Type 1 Deck Advice => Topic started by: BubbleBoy on October 03, 2008, 06:26:59 PM
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56 cards:
Lost Souls (8 )
Hopper
3-Line
Shame
Female
Shuffler
Exchanger
NT
Revealer
Good Dominants (3)
AotL
NJ
SoG
Evil Dominants (4)
Burial
CM
Destruction
FA
Teal Heroes (4)
Eliashib
Joshua
Joiada
Phineas
Teal Enhs. (5)
Filling ZT
Grain Offering
Jordan Interrupted
Trumpet Blast
Zeal
Green Hero (1)
Haggai
White Hero (1)
Zerubbabel
Purple Hero (1)
Widow
Purple Enh. (1)
AoCP
MC Heroes (2)
Zechariah
Melchizideck
Crimson EC's (7)
Ashpenaz
Babylonian Forces
The Imperial Guard
Judas Iscariot
King Merodach-baladan
Nebushasban
Nergalsharezer
Crimson Enhs. (7)
Carried into Exile
Desecrate the Temple
Great Image
Head of Gold
Midianites attack
Set Fire
Swift Horses
Teal Covenants (2)
Covenant with Levi
Covenant with Phinehas
Crimson Curse (1)
Captured Ark
Artifacts (4)
Chariot of Fire
Holy of Holies
Lampstand
Unholy Writ
Fortresses (4)
HQ at Riblah
Jerusalem Tower
Wall of Protection
ZT
Site (1)
Hormah
So, what do you think? Is there anything I need to take out? Is there anything I need to put in? I accept all suggestions.
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Out: Jerusalem Tower, The Amalekites' Slave
In: Negalsharezer, Swift Horses
Also, I'd find a way to work in Burning Incense since you have so many teal heroes. I'd probably drop Renewing the Covenant; I played a Z-Temple deck for about four months and I never once used that card. It seems great, but teal is powerful enough that it usually doesn't matter if you lose the BoTC combo mid-game.
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You want me to get rid of Slave? Why?! And as for JT, I have found numerous occasions where it has totally saved me against a deck destruction deck. (You'd be surprised at how many people don't know about Oppressed and Robbed.) Also, JT works well with Eliashib. It would be nice to put in Nerg and Horses, I know, but I would rather not take those particular cards out. I can see myself dropping Renewing the Covenant for Burning Incense, though....Or maybe dropping Renewing the Covenant and Asherah Pole for Nerg and Horses.
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If you really want an extra lost soul to dump in their territory, Hopper is a way better choice (though harder to find). I'm not particularly fond of JT, as I've rarely needed it, but maybe a lot of people in your area play deck discard.
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If you really want an extra lost soul to dump in their territory, Hopper is a way better choice.
Wow, Hopper is nowhere near as good as Slave. First of all, Slave lets you bring out a human EC of your choice. Also, Slave can't be HT'd (and I can't tell you how many times I've had that problem with Hopper). True, Hopper works as soon as you draw it (and lets you draw another card), and Slave is just extra space until you use it, but that doesn't really make a difference, at least to me.
I'm not particularly fond of JT, as I've rarely needed it, but maybe a lot of people in your area play deck discard.
Maybe so, but don't lots of people everywhere use cards like Amasai and Gabriel also? And having only 5 evil enhancements, I can't afford many attacks with those kinds of cards.
Either way, would you suggest that I trade out Renewing the Covenant and Asherah Pole for Nerg and Swift Horses, whether or not I make any other changes for the moment?
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Deck Updated
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I agree with you Bubbleboy... Deck Discard has become a LOT popular. Almost every brigade has some card to punish your deck. I have begin squeezing J Tower in and I haven't regretted it lately.
However, as a side note, I'm kind of biased because my first game at Nationals and RR discarded in this order:
SoG, AoTL, Ezra (when he had one of my heroes captured) and CM. I was NOT a happy camper. All this was prior to the new powerful ROA cards. My advice: keep JT
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I find JT to be a wasted card in most games. It never makes the cut in my decks and I've only wished that I had it a few times... ever.
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Either way, would you suggest that I trade out Renewing the Covenant and Asherah Pole for Nerg and Swift Horses, whether or not I make any other changes for the moment?
Yeah, that's a good move. If you do nothing else to the deck from my suggestions, at least squeeze in Nergalsharezer and Swift Horses. He's awesome. :)
Something else I've done to a few of my decks recently has been to take out the evil protect forts in favor of a more useful card. I'm not sure how well this will turn out, but in all my time of playing Redemption (which hasn't been that long, only a year or so) I've only seen a few decks with really big discard offenses. Aside from AoCP, which I don't seem to see often anyway, it seems that most of the time my ECs are knocked out in other ways than mass territory discarding. Of course, most of my decks are a little more focused on my offense than my defense, so it might be personal preference factoring in.
It's controversial, but you might take out HQ for Burning Incense. ;)
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Well, a very big reason that I put in HQ is AoCP, which I have in my deck. When I use AoCP, it pretty much just wipes out my opponent's defense. I know it would be nice to have Burning Incense, maybe, but I just can't seem to weazle it in. Should I take out...Search? I just played at a tournament today, and I only used it once, at the end of my last game (which I won partially because of it, but I didn't really need it).
I have to say, I really didn't do very well at that tournament with this deck. I think it was mostly because it took me too long to draw my defense. I mean, when I look at it now, I see that my deck only has two evil battle-winners, and both are captures....Maybe I should revert back to my Genesis deck. :-\
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..........Sorry, I started to ramble.
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Book of the Covenant could go.....
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You know, every time I take BotC out, I need it the next time I play. Of course, though, when I do have it (like today), I never find myself in a position where I need to use it. ::) Honestly, I think I would rather keep that just in case, because many an avoidable unexecuted rescue have I undergone in the past due to its absence.
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You only think you need it because you've had it for so long. Just ply one tournament without it and see what happens. What's the worst that could happen?
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I would definitely take out Book of the Cov. You only have 2 Covs and you don't normally need more than 2 of your arts active at a time.
I don't see this deck benefiting from U&T that much. Take it out to add more offense.
Go into Captivity would be better than Unholy Writ.
I would switch Reach of D for Search. This would also eliminate the need for Zechariah so you could put in a better hero. Maybe work in Elishama and Jehoshaphat so you can band and reuse some enhancements? You don't have a lot so being able to reuse could come in handy.
I would try to fit in Jehoidia's strength.
With your lost soul selection and only 6 evil guys to discard, I would take out Hormah.
With Destruction, Imperial Guard, and Descrate, I think you can take out Captured Ark.
In this deck, I would take out KoT. I think you're better off enhancing your crimson. possibilities:
Arioch, Ashpenaz, King Evil-merodach, Red Dragon, Sapphira, King Zimri, Gomer, or Leviathan
I would try for at least one more crimson enhancement. possibilities: Belshazzar's Banquet, Dream, Imitating Evil, Deceit of Sapphira, Midianites Attack, or Nebuchadnezzar's Pride
I think you can afford to switch Great Image and Babylonian Forces for some of those other cards.
So with all that you can fit in Jehoshaphat, Reach, Jehoidia's Strength, Ashpenaz, King Evil-merodach, Go into Captivity, Imitating Evil, Midianites Attack, and Nebby's Pride.
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Well, a very big reason that I put in HQ is AoCP, which I have in my deck.
Oh, duh. I totally missed that; don't take out HQ. My bad. :D
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I would definitely take out Book of the Cov. You only have 2 Covs and you don't normally need more than 2 of your arts active at a time.
I don't see this deck benefiting from U&T that much. Take it out to add more offense.
Go into Captivity would be better than Unholy Writ.
I would switch Reach of D for Search. This would also eliminate the need for Zechariah so you could put in a better hero. Maybe work in Elishama and Jehoshaphat so you can band and reuse some enhancements? You don't have a lot so being able to reuse could come in handy.
I would try to fit in Jehoidia's strength.
With your lost soul selection and only 6 evil guys to discard, I would take out Hormah.
With Destruction, Imperial Guard, and Descrate, I think you can take out Captured Ark.
In this deck, I would take out KoT. I think you're better off enhancing your crimson. possibilities:
Arioch, Ashpenaz, King Evil-merodach, Red Dragon, Sapphira, King Zimri, Gomer, or Leviathan
I would try for at least one more crimson enhancement. possibilities: Belshazzar's Banquet, Dream, Imitating Evil, Deceit of Sapphira, Midianites Attack, or Nebuchadnezzar's Pride
I think you can afford to switch Great Image and Babylonian Forces for some of those other cards.
So with all that you can fit in Jehoshaphat, Reach, Jehoidia's Strength, Ashpenaz, King Evil-merodach, Go into Captivity, Imitating Evil, Midianites Attack, and Nebby's Pride.
Hmm, that's quite a mouthful, but I see where you're coming from. All of those are sensible suggestions.
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Deck Updated
See what you think now.
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Burning of incense for Grain offering
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Then I would have to replace Joiada....
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Joiada and Pentecost is a great combo
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Then where would I put Burning Incense?
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If you really want an extra lost soul to dump in their territory, Hopper is a way better choice.
Wow, Hopper is nowhere near as good as Slave. First of all, Slave lets you bring out a human EC of your choice. Also, Slave can't be HT'd (and I can't tell you how many times I've had that problem with Hopper). True, Hopper works as soon as you draw it (and lets you draw another card), and Slave is just extra space until you use it, but that doesn't really make a difference, at least to me.
OK. Personally, i think slave stinks, unless you have a brown or gold deck. Yeah, he becomes a lost soul and lets you draw an ec, but it can be countered in many ways:
1. btn on first turn (it has happened to me before, but not w/ slave)
2. btn choose the blocker
3. choose the blocker w/ joel, negates specail ability, he gets initiative to kill you
4. rain becomes dust
I'd say put in the hopper :)
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Yeah, I kind of forgot about this post....Hopper certainly would be a better choice for this deck....
Deck Updated
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I would take out Reach and Grain Offering.
I would add Provisions and Go into Captivity.
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take all of the offense out, then add in Saul/Paul and holy grail... with a huge defense..... oh, wait.... someone already thought of that...... ::)
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Deck Updated
I replaced Reach with Zerubbabel (himself).
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I would take out Reach and Grain Offering.
I would add Provisions and Go into Captivity.
If I took out Joiada and Grain Offering, could I add Provisions and Go into Captivity? (I already took out Reach, and Joiada would be relatively worthless without Grain Offering.)
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If you really want an extra lost soul to dump in their territory, Hopper is a way better choice.
Wow, Hopper is nowhere near as good as Slave. First of all, Slave lets you bring out a human EC of your choice. Also, Slave can't be HT'd (and I can't tell you how many times I've had that problem with Hopper). True, Hopper works as soon as you draw it (and lets you draw another card), and Slave is just extra space until you use it, but that doesn't really make a difference, at least to me.
OK. Personally, i think slave stinks, unless you have a brown or gold deck. Yeah, he becomes a lost soul and lets you draw an ec, but it can be countered in many ways:
1. btn on first turn (it has happened to me before, but not w/ slave)
2. btn choose the blocker
3. choose the blocker w/ joel, negates specail ability, he gets initiative to kill you
4. rain becomes dust
I'd say put in the hopper :)
Not to mention hezekiah's signet ring. And yes, I agree, no slave. Put in something better.