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Need suggestions on my "speed" deck...
« on: November 17, 2008, 03:15:14 PM »
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Here it is:

50 cards

Lost souls:
2-liner
Hopper
NT only
Exchanger
Women Only
Shuffler
ROA lost soul
ROA lost soul

Site:
Dragon Raid
Promised Land

Dominants:
Son of God
New Jerusalem
Angel of the Lord
GOYS
Burial
Christian Martyr
Falling Away

Artifacts:
Holy of Holies
Covenant With Noah
I am Healing
Lampstand of the Sanctuary

Forts:
Z-Temple
The Throne of David

Heroes:
Phinehas
Joshua
Zecheriah    (ROA)
Joaida
King Jotham
Melchizedeck   (ROA)
Ethiopian Treasurer
King Lemuel
King's Daughter
Queen of Sheba

Good enhancements:
Zeal for the Lord
Trumpet Blast
Scapegoat
Burning Incense
Peace Treaty
Royal Parade
Authority of Christ
Unified Kingdom
Pentacost
First Fruits
Reach of Desperation

Evil Characters:
Sabbath Breaker
Seven Sons of Sceva
Trembling Demon
Uzzah
King of Tyrus

Evil enhancements:
Torment


Please give me some tips,

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« Last Edit: December 05, 2008, 06:32:23 PM by amelo »
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Re: Need suggestions on my "speed" deck...
« Reply #1 on: November 17, 2008, 05:10:26 PM »
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This is new.  I haven't seen a mostly teal-based speed deck before.  New, by the way, isn't bad; it's good  :)  Hur w/gifts will probably only work once, on account of the fact that you have no enhancements and if they block you die.  Unless, of course, it's a rescue and you AotL them ;D you need a way to get rid of a fortress, in case they, for example, play egyptians and have the throne room up.  Wait... scratch that; you do.  Trumpet blast. DUH!! :P  There are a few other things, but right now, i'm feelin to lazy to post them ::)
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Re: Need suggestions on my "speed" deck...
« Reply #2 on: November 17, 2008, 06:13:37 PM »
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50 cards

Lost souls:8
2-liner
Hopper
NT only
Exchanger
Women Only
Shuffler
ROA lost soul
ROA lost soul

Site:2
Dragon Raid
Promised Land

Dominants:9
Son of God
New Jerusalem
Angel of the Lord
GoYS
Burial
Christian Martyr
Falling Away

Artifacts:5
Gifts of the Magi
Holy of Holies
Burial Shroud
Covenant with Levi
Lampstand of the Sanctuary

Forts:1
Z-Temple

Heroes:9
Joakim, Son of Joshua
Abiathar
Phinehas
Joshua the High Priest
Joaida, son of Eliashib
Eliashib, the High Priest
Priest of Christ (Promo)
Zacharia ( the Teal Green Dude from RoA )
Hur

Good enhancements:9
Plague of Frogs
Pentecost
Feast of Trumpets
First Fruits
Scapegoat
Jordan Interrupted
Zeal for the Lord
Trumpet Blast
Burning Incense

Evil Characters:
Sabbath Breaker
Prince of this World
King of Tyrus
Uzzah


There are a few things I would take out and add. What I have above is a start to how I would start to change this deck. You now have 13 card slots open to make this deck better. To tell you the honest truth, it's just too slow to attack and overwhelm your opponent like an offensive deck is supposed to. That by its self makes this deck not viable to compete at a high level. I'm not trying to shoot down your deck, I'm just trying to help you out. I've played with a deck like this for a very long time, so I've had first hand experience what the capabilities of this deck are. Not so good... :-\

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Re: Need suggestions on my "speed" deck...
« Reply #3 on: November 17, 2008, 06:39:35 PM »
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There's a few cards you need:

coat of many colors and abel's sacfafice for hur(as in to work with him, not instead of him). And no, it doesn't have enough firepower or drawing to compete with high level decks. You need cards like king david, ET, aocp, love at first sight, generous widow, gideon's call, stuff to use with gifts. Right now it's just a weak teal offense. Take out pretty much ALL the teal.
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Re: Need suggestions on my "speed" deck...
« Reply #4 on: November 17, 2008, 07:49:44 PM »
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SoulSaver, I don't have POC, Promised Land, or Uzzah. So I can't make those changes. I liked having Trembling Demon, SSoS, and Torment because that gives me 3 solid blocks, should I really take those out?
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Re: Need suggestions on my "speed" deck...
« Reply #5 on: November 17, 2008, 08:09:44 PM »
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imo this is not a speed deck but a "fasterish" deck with Priests thrown in (but in this case it might be the other ways around....) imo pick one or the other, both mixed together is 1. not fast enough to make worth putting in Hur and buds and 2. puts you at a weak point for having weaker then average teal because of these random fast cards. Just my thoughts  :)
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Re: Need suggestions on my "speed" deck...
« Reply #6 on: November 17, 2008, 08:11:43 PM »
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Okay, could you show me what a good teal offense looks like?
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Re: Need suggestions on my "speed" deck...
« Reply #7 on: November 17, 2008, 08:19:47 PM »
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Ill post later sample deck lists for Teal stuff. But till then ill say ive found that you either want to combo teal with either Purple/Teal (which is very strong with aocp and the kings), combo teal with silver/teal (which has fun O.T warriors class banding chains and when using Table of showbread is UBER) or use a strong Teal only mainly using Z Temple.
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Re: Need suggestions on my "speed" deck...
« Reply #8 on: November 19, 2008, 12:25:01 PM »
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 :scratch: Just try to make a new speed deck. I'd definitely try to include teal, just don't make it your main weapon in your speed deck.

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Re: Need suggestions on my "speed" deck...
« Reply #9 on: November 19, 2008, 02:52:16 PM »
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Ill post later sample deck lists for Teal stuff. But till then ill say ive found that you either want to combo teal with either Purple/Teal (which is very strong with aocp and the kings), combo teal with silver/teal (which has fun O.T warriors class banding chains and when using Table of showbread is UBER) or use a strong Teal only mainly using Z Temple.
well whers the cards? huh? i doubt you dont have any



There's a few cards you need:

coat of many colors and abel's sacfafice for hur(as in to work with him, not instead of him). And no, it doesn't have enough firepower or drawing to compete with high level decks. You need cards like king david, ET, aocp, love at first sight, generous widow, gideon's call, stuff to use with gifts. Right now it's just a weak teal offense. Take out pretty much ALL the teal.
ok knowing amelo he wont build a deck with out battle winners you might but he wont plus i doubt you even know what half the cards in his deck do


Austin (musicain [which should be musician]), STOP being rude.  Just because you are on the internet and not talking to someone doesn't mean that you can just say whatever you want.   >:( >:( >:(

Don't insult people who are much better at Redemption than you.  If fact, don't insult anyone like that.

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Re: Need suggestions on my "speed" deck...
« Reply #10 on: November 19, 2008, 02:55:29 PM »
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Ill post later sample deck lists for Teal stuff. But till then ill say ive found that you either want to combo teal with either Purple/Teal (which is very strong with aocp and the kings), combo teal with silver/teal (which has fun O.T warriors class banding chains and when using Table of showbread is UBER) or use a strong Teal only mainly using Z Temple.
well whers the cards? huh? i doubt you dont have any
Not to come off mean, but the last person (Theraven878) lost all help on these boards for the same kinda attitude a while back. He did change and now is actually not that hard to talk to about his decks but thats beside the point. Being rude, not listening, and then asking for help doesn't work. Being nice, Trying out the ideas (even if they dont work), and then asking for more help does. Also if you have a reason for not liking a suggestion, tell us why! We may know something you don't.
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Re: Need suggestions on my "speed" deck...
« Reply #11 on: November 19, 2008, 04:21:41 PM »
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Back to the topic of my deck, is there anything else I need to change? I'm kind of interested in a Teal/Purple offense. Maybe someone can help me better understand how that would work.

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Re: Need suggestions on my "speed" deck...
« Reply #12 on: November 19, 2008, 05:31:54 PM »
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We won't correct you if you freaking use your native tongue and not internetspeak.
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Re: Need suggestions on my "speed" deck...
« Reply #13 on: November 19, 2008, 07:01:13 PM »
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I changed it to Teal/Purple. Would adjustments would you guys make???
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Re: Need suggestions on my "speed" deck...
« Reply #14 on: November 19, 2008, 07:47:19 PM »
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Okay, this probably doesn't have enough drawing cards to be a speed deck. But here it is:

56 cards(you should have a little more cards; don't worry, you'll draw it anyways)
Lost souls:
2-liner
Hopper
NT only
Exchanger
Women Only
Shuffler
ROA lost soul(which one?)
ROA lost soul(which one?)

Site:
Dragon Raid

Dominants:
Son of God
New Jerusalem
Angel of the Lord
GOYS
Burial
Christian Martyr
Falling Away

Artifacts:
Gifts of the Magi
Holy of Holies
took out lampstand, both covs and burial shroud
chariot of fire


Forts:
took out z-temple
Wall of Protection
The Throne of David

Heroes:
Phinehas
Joshua
Zecheriah    (ROA)
took our joida
took our johikaim
Melchizedeck   (ROA)
Ethiopian Treasurer
King Lemuel
King's Daughter
King David(if you don't have him, use King saul)
Queen of Sheba(good to have more than one female royalty, and she gets initiative pretty well)
King Joram(he's not very common, but read him. He's cbn status against warrior class, which is pretty freaking awesome)
Hur(draws lots of cards, great for a few turns)

Good enhancements:
Zeal for the Lord
Trumpet Blast
Scapegoat
Burning Incense
Peace Treaty
Royal Parade
Authority of Christ
Unified Kingdom
Pentacost
First Fruits
Prosperity(draws some more; great to play first with david's throne room)
reach of desperation(every purple deck needs this)
Coat of many colors(great for hur, or for purple/teal if you only have enhancements of the other brigade)
Great faith(great to draw out your better enhancements early, and to re-use)


Evil Characters:
Sabbath Breaker
Seven Sons of Sceva
Trembling Demon
Prince of this World
King of Tyrus
twelve fingered giant
red dragon



Evil enhancements:
Torment
Lurking
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Re: Need suggestions on my "speed" deck...
« Reply #15 on: November 19, 2008, 11:07:53 PM »
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umm excuse me you guys say that i need to read posts befor i respond well i told you guys like 5 times i try to do the best i can but my grammer check is not here and i dont want to do spell check on any thing els cause it take's to long and i only get a HR on the computer.

and guys im sorry im rude on here but like i told you i hate it when correct me on my grammer and if you guys didnt do that i would not have been rude and if you dont do it i wont be rude if that make seince.
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Re: Need suggestions on my "speed" deck...
« Reply #16 on: November 20, 2008, 12:08:14 AM »
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umm excuse me you guys say that i need to read posts befor i respond well i told you guys like 5 times i try to do the best i can but my grammer check is not here and i dont want to do spell check on any thing els cause it take's to long and i only get a HR on the computer.

and guys im sorry im rude on here but like i told you i hate it when correct me on my grammer and if you guys didnt do that i would not have been rude and if you dont do it i wont be rude if that make seince.
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Re: Need suggestions on my "speed" deck...
« Reply #17 on: November 20, 2008, 04:47:03 PM »
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And that's the problem. But Schaef, could get a lock? I was trying to provide deck help... but there's too much flame, and I'm getting burned. Send me a PM in you want more help on your deck, man, cause hopefully this will get locked.
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« Reply #18 on: November 20, 2008, 06:00:40 PM »
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ok, I'll send you a pm tomorrow
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Re: Need suggestions on my "speed" deck...
« Reply #19 on: November 20, 2008, 08:14:56 PM »
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btw how big do you want the deck to be? 56 or 63?
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« Reply #20 on: November 21, 2008, 02:38:14 PM »
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No more than 56 would be great.
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Re: Need suggestions on my "speed" deck...
« Reply #21 on: November 25, 2008, 05:35:46 PM »
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Updated.

How does this look?
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« Reply #22 on: November 25, 2008, 06:02:09 PM »
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umm excuse me you guys say that i need to read posts befor i respond well i told you guys like 5 times i try to do the best i can but my grammer check is not here and i dont want to do spell check on any thing els cause it take's to long and i only get a HR on the computer.

and guys im sorry im rude on here but like i told you i hate it when correct me on my grammer and if you guys didnt do that i would not have been rude and if you dont do it i wont be rude if that make seince.
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go talk to SoulSaver he always pwns me with his ridiculous speed decksbut I think if Ga ever gets a tourney I might be competitive  ;)

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« Reply #23 on: November 26, 2008, 04:22:48 PM »
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about the ridiculous conflict:  Yes it can be difficult to read musician's posts and he seems to often be immature.  However, his profile indicates he is 13 and I cut him some slack.  None of us are perfect and I do not think we would want to be judged as harshly as he sometimes is.  The Bible exhorts us to be slow to anger, quick to listen, and consider other's interests above our own.  We can challenge people like musician to be better but it says to speak the truth in LOVE.

about the deck:

I don't think I'm the best but I have some experience with this (my teal speed deck placed 10th at Natz last year).  I think teal has great speed with all the set-asides.  I also think teal is great to combo with; I used teal/white before, I'm currently trying teal/green, and I've wanted to try teal/purple.

first thoughts for changes:
I would have the Revealer lost soul in for speed.  I would take out the NT.  You can't play SoG/NJ on it to deny your opponent access.  If your opponent manages to exchange it, it will slow you down which you don't want with speed.

Take out Burial Shroud.  A good speed deck should never have two turns that they don't want to rescue.

With 10 heroes, I think you can afford to take out I am healing.  I think another hero would be better.  There are a lot of great hero abilities and it will help ensure you draw a hero quickly (essential). 

I might switch a access site for the Amelikites Slave.  You get to search for a defensive guy and add a lost soul which is always helpful versus only good against site decks.
I would try to add Uzzah and Captured Ark.

A personal favorite of mine is adding I am Holy.  With an offensive speed deck, I've always had a good card available to discard and it has often severely limited or decimated my opponent's defense.  With speed you can also end up having too many cards in your hand and this gives them a purpose instead of just throwing them in the discard pile.

Lastly, why 50 cards?  Presumably it is to draw your cards faster but my friend and I did the math and you'll draw your 51st card on the same turn as your 50th.  Since Hopper doesn't count against your draw then you can go to 52 and be equally as fast.  (since the draw cards are draw 3, they don't alter the number of turns)


 


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