Author Topic: Madness? This is HEROLESS! (Updated) (Read 6679 times)

TheKarazyvicePresidentRR · « **on:** August 10, 2010, 03:02:28 PM »

Cards in deck: 70
Lost Souls: 9
   Lost Soul (can't be prevented)
   Lost Soul (deck discard)
   Lost Soul (discarder)
   Lost Soul (female only)
   Lost Soul (N.T. only)
   Lost Soul (revealer)
   Lost Soul (site guard)
   Lost Soul (site remove)
   Lost Soul (Thorns)

Lamb Dominants: 4
   Angel of the Lord
   Grapes of Wrath
   New Jerusalem
   Son of God

Grim Reaper Dominants: 3
   Christian Martyr
   Destruction of Nehushtan
   Falling Away

Fortresses: 5
   Herod's Temple
   High Places
   Obadiah's Caves
   Pharaoh's Throne Room
   Storehouse

Multi-Color Sites: 1
   Dragon Raid

White Sites: 1
   Herod's Dungeon

Gold Sites: 1
   Egypt

Artifacts: 6
   Golden Calf
   Hidden Treasures
   Holy Grail
   Household Idols
   Lampstand of the Sanctuary
   Magic Charms

White Covenant Cards: 3
   Given Over to Egypt (Gold)
   Go Into Captivity (Crimson)
   Unknown Nation (Yellow)

Gold Covenant Cards: 2
   I am Healing
   I am Redemption

Multi-Color Hero Enhancements: 3
   Jordan Interrupted (Teal)
   Trumpet Blast (Teal)
   Zeal for the Lord (Teal)

Green Hero Enhancements: 1
   Backward Shadow

Purple Hero Enhancements: 2
   Authority of Christ
   Reach of Desperation

Gold Evil Characters: 12
   Egyptian Archer
   Egyptian Charioteers
   Egyptian Warden
   Herod Agrippa II
   Herod Philip II
   Herod the Great
   Herodias
   Jannes
   King of Tyrus
   King Shishak
   Potiphar's Wife
   Salome

Gray Evil Characters: 1
   Saul/Paul

Multi-Color Evil Enhancements: 1
   Herod's Treachery

Gold Evil Enhancements: 15
   Beheaded
   Egyptian Horses
   Egyptian Spear
   Enslaved by Egypt
   Escape to Egypt
   Evil Spirit
   Imprisoned
   Mask of Fear
   Moses kills Egyptian
   Pagan Sacrifices
   Rash Oath
   Ruthless
   Spreading Mildew
   Swift Horses
   Wonders Forgotten

(Updated with Disciples)

stefferweffer · « **Reply #1 on:** August 10, 2010, 03:55:24 PM »

I really like this approach. How do you protect Paul from capture if they IOJ or Destructive Sin Obadiah's Caves? Or is Paul immune to those cards?

TheKarazyvicePresidentRR · « **Reply #2 on:** August 10, 2010, 03:57:47 PM »

Quote from: stefferweffer on August 10, 2010, 03:55:24 PM

I really like this approach. How do you protect Paul from capture if they IOJ or Destructive Sin Obadiah's Caves? Or is Paul immune to those cards?

I am Redemption.

JSB23 · « **Reply #3 on:** August 10, 2010, 04:03:59 PM »

Darius's decree?

TheKarazyvicePresidentRR · « **Reply #4 on:** August 10, 2010, 04:05:04 PM »

Quote from: JSB23 on August 10, 2010, 04:03:59 PM

Darius's decree?

What about it? I don't use set asides.

stefferweffer · « **Reply #5 on:** August 10, 2010, 04:14:29 PM »

Quote from: TheKarazyvicePresidentRR on August 10, 2010, 03:57:47 PM

Quote from: stefferweffer on August 10, 2010, 03:55:24 PM
I really like this approach. How do you protect Paul from capture if they IOJ or Destructive Sin Obadiah's Caves? Or is Paul immune to those cards?
I am Redemption.

I saw this in there, but how soon can you activate it? What stops an opponent from capturing Paul and then quickly burying him or rescuing him with their own SOG?

TheKarazyvicePresidentRR · « **Reply #6 on:** August 10, 2010, 04:19:55 PM »

Quote from: stefferweffer on August 10, 2010, 04:14:29 PM

Quote from: TheKarazyvicePresidentRR on August 10, 2010, 03:57:47 PM
Quote from: stefferweffer on August 10, 2010, 03:55:24 PM
I really like this approach. How do you protect Paul from capture if they IOJ or Destructive Sin Obadiah's Caves? Or is Paul immune to those cards?
I am Redemption.
I saw this in there, but how soon can you activate it? What stops an opponent from capturing Paul and then quickly burying him or rescuing him with their own SOG?

If they do that, they get props for doing so. Most of the time SOG/NJ has been played long before they deck out.

Master_Chi · « **Reply #7 on:** August 13, 2010, 11:52:39 AM »

How are you going to convert Saul/Paul to a Hero?

Professoralstad · « **Reply #8 on:** August 13, 2010, 11:58:54 AM »

Quote from: Master_Chi on August 13, 2010, 11:52:39 AM

How are you going to convert Saul/Paul to a Hero?

Holy Grail

disciple_drew · « **Reply #9 on:** August 16, 2010, 09:38:07 PM »

Man great deck! I like it!

Warrior_Monk · « **Reply #10 on:** August 16, 2010, 09:40:40 PM »

an Alter of Ahaz might help. I'd switch it for Hidden Treasures.

The M · « **Reply #11 on:** August 20, 2010, 04:11:44 PM »

that is pretty pwn.
has anyone ever seen an evil character less deck?

Warrior_Monk · « **Reply #12 on:** August 20, 2010, 04:15:05 PM »

Quote from: The M on August 20, 2010, 04:11:44 PM

that is pretty pwn.
has anyone ever seen an evil character less deck?

yeah. Mike Turnage (sp?) was the first.

Professoralstad · « **Reply #13 on:** August 20, 2010, 05:33:39 PM »

Quote from: Ring Wraith on August 20, 2010, 04:15:05 PM

Quote from: The M on August 20, 2010, 04:11:44 PM
that is pretty pwn.
has anyone ever seen an evil character less deck?
yeah. Mike Turnage (sp?) was the first.

Turnidge. And yes, I'll never forget the first time I played against a deck with no Evil Characters. And lost.

TheKarazyvicePresidentRR · « **Reply #14 on:** August 20, 2010, 11:36:30 PM »

Quote from: Professoralstad on August 20, 2010, 05:33:39 PM

Quote from: Ring Wraith on August 20, 2010, 04:15:05 PM
Quote from: The M on August 20, 2010, 04:11:44 PM
that is pretty pwn.
has anyone ever seen an evil character less deck?
yeah. Mike Turnage (sp?) was the first.

Turnidge. And yes, I'll never forget the first time I played against a deck with no Evil Characters. And lost.

Neither will I. Sadly he doesn't play anymore or we'd have a win/loss record for heroless vs defenseless.

YourMathTeacher · « **Reply #15 on:** August 20, 2010, 11:46:55 PM »

Quote from: disciple_drew on August 16, 2010, 09:38:07 PM

Man great deck! I like it!

I'm glad you like it, since you will have to play against it at the next Orlando tournament you attend.

TheKarazyvicePresidentRR · « **Reply #16 on:** August 20, 2010, 11:48:50 PM »

Quote from: YourMathTeacher on August 20, 2010, 11:46:55 PM

Quote from: disciple_drew on August 16, 2010, 09:38:07 PM
Man great deck! I like it!

I'm glad you like it, since you will have to play against it at the next Orlando tournament you attend.

Depends on my mood

Tee-hee <3

The M · « **Reply #17 on:** August 21, 2010, 02:18:22 PM »

Quote from: TheKarazyvicePresidentRR on August 20, 2010, 11:36:30 PM

Quote from: Professoralstad on August 20, 2010, 05:33:39 PM
Quote from: Ring Wraith on August 20, 2010, 04:15:05 PM
Quote from: The M on August 20, 2010, 04:11:44 PM
that is pretty pwn.
has anyone ever seen an evil character less deck?
yeah. Mike Turnage (sp?) was the first.

Turnidge. And yes, I'll never forget the first time I played against a deck with no Evil Characters. And lost.
Neither will I. Sadly he doesn't play anymore or we'd have a win/loss record for heroless vs defenseless.

I did turtle versus offensive-less and won.
I used woman as snares and took out all of his defense in one fell swoop.

Master_Chi · « **Reply #18 on:** August 27, 2010, 11:09:25 AM »

I came up with a pretty sick Silver defenseless.....

TheJaylor · « **Reply #19 on:** August 27, 2010, 11:15:22 AM »

i always figured a Silver defenseless doesn't work very well. please post the deck if your willing.

disciple_drew · « **Reply #20 on:** September 05, 2010, 04:37:39 PM »

Quote from: YourMathTeacher on August 20, 2010, 11:46:55 PM

Quote from: disciple_drew on August 16, 2010, 09:38:07 PM
Man great deck! I like it!

I'm glad you like it, since you will have to play against it at the next Orlando tournament you attend.

Oh yeah, that's if I get paired up against it. On a side note, your brothers in the South are getting plenty of practice!

Plus, the group is growing with about 3+ new people getting into Redemption.

TheKarazyvicePresidentRR · « **Reply #21 on:** September 05, 2010, 04:54:00 PM »

Quote from: disciple_drew on September 05, 2010, 04:37:39 PM

Quote from: YourMathTeacher on August 20, 2010, 11:46:55 PM
Quote from: disciple_drew on August 16, 2010, 09:38:07 PM
Man great deck! I like it!

I'm glad you like it, since you will have to play against it at the next Orlando tournament you attend.

Oh yeah, that's if I get paired up against it. On a side note, your brothers in the South are getting plenty of practice!
Plus, the group is growing with about 3+ new people getting into Redemption.

Sweet!

YourMathTeacher · « **Reply #22 on:** September 06, 2010, 10:15:51 AM »

Quote from: disciple_drew on September 05, 2010, 04:37:39 PM

Oh yeah, that's if I get paired up against it. On a side note, your brothers in the South are getting plenty of practice!
Plus, the group is growing with about 3+ new people getting into Redemption.

Great to hear! We look forward to future tournaments, especially since there is a new host in town, Deist, over in western FL. We should have a rowdy Florida state tournament this year.

galadgawyn · « **Reply #23 on:** September 06, 2010, 10:46:12 AM »

Quote

Quote from: JSB23 on August 10, 2010, 09:03:59 PM
Darius's decree?

What about it? I don't use set asides.

I'm not sure but if they have DD up and discard Paul then you can't use your healing enhancement.

The M · « **Reply #24 on:** September 06, 2010, 04:56:05 PM »

how does DD discard paul he isnt set aside?

galadgawyn · « **Reply #25 on:** September 06, 2010, 05:25:46 PM »

it doesn't. 2 separate steps. You activate DD and then use something else like CM to discard Paul; traditionally heroless decks would easily deal with CM by healing but in this case DD stops healing cards.

TheKarazyvicePresidentRR · « **Reply #26 on:** September 07, 2010, 12:11:05 AM »

Quote from: galadgawyn on September 06, 2010, 05:25:46 PM

it doesn't. 2 separate steps. You activate DD and then use something else like CM to discard Paul; traditionally heroless decks would easily deal with CM by healing but in this case DD stops healing cards.

Which is why IAHealing is in here. Also HT would allow me to instead CM.

The M · « **Reply #27 on:** September 07, 2010, 05:48:22 PM »

yeah. what he said. but isn't HT enhancements only?

TheKarazyvicePresidentRR · « **Reply #28 on:** September 08, 2010, 12:38:43 PM »

Quote from: The M on September 07, 2010, 05:48:22 PM

yeah. what he said. but isn't HT enhancements only?

Rephrase: Herod's Temple.

Minister Polarius · « **Reply #29 on:** September 08, 2010, 01:07:17 PM »

Harvest Time, Herod's Temple, Herod's Treachery, Hidden Treasures, and Herod's Temple...five commonly-used cards sharing one abbreviation.

TheKarazyvicePresidentRR · « **Reply #30 on:** September 08, 2010, 01:11:30 PM »

Quote from: Minister Polarius on September 08, 2010, 01:07:17 PM

Harvest Time, Herod's Temple, Herod's Treachery, Hidden Treasures, and Herod's Temple...five commonly-used cards sharing one abbreviation.

Yeah, I gotta get used to doing Ht(rest of name here)

Minister Polarius · « **Reply #31 on:** September 08, 2010, 01:15:56 PM »

TheKarazyvicePresidentRR · « **Reply #32 on:** September 08, 2010, 01:46:07 PM »

HTroll.

The M · « **Reply #33 on:** September 11, 2010, 01:26:28 PM »

Quote from: TheKarazyvicePresidentRR on September 08, 2010, 01:46:07 PM

HTroll.

MY EYES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!AHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!
that was a weird picture.
does anybody know other commonly confused abbreviations?

YourMathTeacher · « **Reply #34 on:** September 11, 2010, 08:20:20 PM »

Quote from: The M on September 11, 2010, 01:26:28 PM

does anybody know other commonly confused abbreviations?

PETA is commonly confused with a legitimate organization concerned about animals.

Master_Chi · « **Reply #35 on:** September 13, 2010, 10:19:16 AM »

Quote from: KoalaKingoFA on August 27, 2010, 11:15:22 AM

i always figured a Silver defenseless doesn't work very well. please post the deck if your willing.

Will do as soon as I can, I'm not sure when I'll be able to....

Warrior_Monk · « **Reply #36 on:** November 04, 2010, 05:40:20 PM »

Bump. Why the Dragon Raid? Paul is multicolored...

Josh · « **Reply #37 on:** November 05, 2010, 12:13:35 PM »

Quote from: Ring Wraith on November 04, 2010, 05:40:20 PM

Bump. Why the Dragon Raid? Paul is multicolored...

I don't have an answer for this. But...

Quote from: Minister Polarius on September 08, 2010, 01:07:17 PM

Harvest Time, Herod's Temple, Herod's Treachery, Hidden Treasures, and Herod's Temple...five commonly-used cards sharing one abbreviation.

...this was worth pointing out

SomeKittens · « **Reply #38 on:** November 05, 2010, 02:24:53 PM »

No Pithom? That would work really well with your gold curses.

Professoralstad · « **Reply #39 on:** November 05, 2010, 05:22:21 PM »

Quote from: jmhartz on November 05, 2010, 12:13:35 PM

Quote from: Ring Wraith on November 04, 2010, 05:40:20 PM
Bump. Why the Dragon Raid? Paul is multicolored...

I don't have an answer for this. But...

Quote from: Minister Polarius on September 08, 2010, 01:07:17 PM
Harvest Time, Herod's Temple, Herod's Treachery, Hidden Treasures, and Herod's Temple...five commonly-used cards sharing one abbreviation.

...this was worth pointing out

That's because Herod's Temple is 2 cards: It's a card that allows you to save your EC's, and a card that allows you to hold a Temple artifact.

Also, occasionally Heroless decks have to be played without Paul...if a site deck user puts the deck discard LS in a site at an inopportune moment, you may have to rely on a single-colored hero. I have Ends of the Earth in my Heroless (since most of my EC's are Sadducees).

And of course, the Site Guard LS, which is probably the more likely reason.

The Guardian · « **Reply #40 on:** November 10, 2010, 04:18:10 PM »

Quote from: jmhartz on November 05, 2010, 12:13:35 PM

Quote from: Ring Wraith on November 04, 2010, 05:40:20 PM
Bump. Why the Dragon Raid? Paul is multicolored...

I don't have an answer for this. But...

Quote from: Minister Polarius on September 08, 2010, 01:07:17 PM
Harvest Time, Herod's Temple, Herod's Treachery, Hidden Treasures, and Herod's Temple...five commonly-used cards sharing one abbreviation.

...this was worth pointing out

Or because there's two versions of Herod's Temple--the Fortress and the Site.

SomeKittens · « **Reply #41 on:** November 10, 2010, 04:21:25 PM »

The Herod's temple site is commonly used?

TheKarazyvicePresidentRR · « **Reply #42 on:** November 20, 2010, 02:53:32 PM »

Quote

And of course, the Site Guard LS, which is probably the more likely reason.

Yup!

Quote from: SomeKittens on November 05, 2010, 02:24:53 PM

No Pithom? That would work really well with your gold curses.

This was made before pithom was released.

Josh · « **Reply #43 on:** November 20, 2010, 09:50:17 PM »

With all the new cards that discard curses, and with Nazareth in many decks, is Unknown Nation going to be worth the card slot in a 70 card deck?

YourMathTeacher · « **Reply #44 on:** November 21, 2010, 12:34:03 AM »

Quote from: jmhartz on November 20, 2010, 09:50:17 PM

With all the new cards that discard curses, and with Nazareth in many decks, is Unknown Nation going to be worth the card slot in a 70 card deck?

Curses! Without clear site into the future, the answer to this question is unknown.

TheKarazyvicePresidentRR · « **Reply #45 on:** November 26, 2010, 10:34:52 PM »

Quote from: YourMathTeacher on November 21, 2010, 12:34:03 AM

Quote from: jmhartz on November 20, 2010, 09:50:17 PM
With all the new cards that discard curses, and with Nazareth in many decks, is Unknown Nation going to be worth the card slot in a 70 card deck?

Curses! Without clear site into the future, the answer to this question is unknown.

That was terrible

Quote from: jmhartz on November 20, 2010, 09:50:17 PM

With all the new cards that discard curses, and with Nazareth in many decks, is Unknown Nation going to be worth the card slot in a 70 card deck?

Totally, if all else fails 10/18 KOT is always nice.

YourMathTeacher · « **Reply #46 on:** November 27, 2010, 10:09:13 AM »

Quote from: TheKarazyvicePresidentRR on November 26, 2010, 10:34:52 PM

Quote from: YourMathTeacher on November 21, 2010, 12:34:03 AM
Quote from: jmhartz on November 20, 2010, 09:50:17 PM
With all the new cards that discard curses, and with Nazareth in many decks, is Unknown Nation going to be worth the card slot in a 70 card deck?
Curses! Without clear site into the future, the answer to this question is unknown.

That was terrible

Thank you!

It was funny a week ago. Where have you been?

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Author Topic: Madness? This is HEROLESS! (Updated) (Read 6679 times)

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