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Redemption® Collectible Trading Card Game HQ => Deck Building & Design => Type 1 Deck Advice => Topic started by: Beautiful Light on October 18, 2011, 06:41:57 PM
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Alright, so this is the first deck I tried on my own. I know it may need some work, but I'm not sure where. So this is what I have so far. I'd love suggestions on how to improve it! I'd really also love to get it down to 50, or close to it. Any ideas?
Lost Souls: 7
three liner
shuffler (Luke 16:20-21)
shuffler (Ezekiel 31:14)
NT only
female/SOG only
opponent discard (1 Cor. 1:27) revealer
immunity to brigade (Jeremiah 13:10)
Sites: 2
DR
Golgotha Hormah
Fortresses: 2
TGT
Haman's Gallows Philistine Outpost
Dominants: 11
SoG
NJ
AoTL
GoYS
Grapes
Harvest
Burial
CM
DoN
Mayhem
FA
Artifacts: 4
Unholy Writ
Holy Grail
Gifts of the Magi
Four Drachma Coin Chariots of Fire
Covenants: 1
The New Covenant
White Heroes: 8
Mary the Mother of James
Salome
Mary Magdalene
Joanna
Lydia
Susanna
Mary
Jairus' Daughter
Green Heroes: 1
Hur
Purple Heroes: 2
John
Matthew
Red Heroes: 1
Peter
Purple Good Enhancements: 2
Reach of Desperation
Prosperity
White Good Enhancements: 10
He is Risen
No Need for Spices
Magnificent
Consider the Lilies
Burning Bush
Words of Encouragement
Moses and Elders
Love at First Sight
Spirit as a Dove
Blessings
Holy Priesthood
Black Evil Characters: 5
Goliath
Philistine Garrison
The Twelve-Fingered Giant
Philistine Armor Bearer
Fallen Warrior
Black Evil Enhancements: 7
Land Dispute
Philistine Chariot and Horses
Bringing Fear
Overwhelmed by Philistines
Goliath's Armor
Devourer
Joseph in Prison
Brown Evil Characters: 2
Uzzah
Complainers
Brown Evil Enhancements: 3
Image of Jealousy
Korah's Rebellion
Haman's Plot
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how many is it now?
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It's 56, but I'd rather get it down, so I can draw dominants faster!
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Whats exactly wrong with the deck outside of it not being 51 cards (points to hamans plot)? It looks like the standard dummy proof deck and looks like it should do well.
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Gifts of the Magi
Lydia
Susanna
Hur
Prosperity
Burning Bush
Complainers
Image of Jealousy
Korah's Rebellion
In
Gomar
Phli
Bart
Thad
James
the other one
Thom
Simon the zelot
that 54
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Thanks! I don't know if there is anything wrong with it necessarily. Low confidence at deck building I guess, since it's my first one. I have a tornament coming up (first one of those too) and want to make sure it's good enough to enter with!
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I do not have a Goliath promo or passover hymn YET, but I thank you for the advice! Noted for the future! :)
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Gifts of the Magi
Lydia
Susanna
Hur
Prosperity
Burning Bush
Complainers
Image of Jealousy
Korah's Rebellion
In
Gomar
Phli
Bart
Thad
James
the other one
Thom
Simon the zelot
that 54
I agree with everything except taking out Susanna. She might be the best hero in this deck. Take out Golgotha instead.
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Never ever take out Susanna if you're using any NT white. Srsly. She's like the best hero.
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Why Matthew? I'm assuming you meant the purple one, because with no red enhancements you have NO reason to put in a red Matthew (is there even a red matthew)? You only have three Disciples, so you have to have every one of them out for the draw to work effectively. And take out the purple enhancements unless you have a battle winner. You want to win pretty quickly, so attacking with purple and not being able to win a battle is not a very good bet. Either bump up the purple a bit, perhaps add in Thomas, James, Son of Zebedee, and authority of Christ or just keep John and take out Matthew and the two enhancements.
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Why Matthew? I'm assuming you meant the purple one, because with no red enhancements you have NO reason to put in a red Matthew (is there even a red matthew)? You only have three Disciples, so you have to have every one of them out for the draw to work effectively. And take out the purple enhancements unless you have a battle winner. You want to win pretty quickly, so attacking with purple and not being able to win a battle is not a very good bet. Either bump up the purple a bit, perhaps add in Thomas, James, Son of Zebedee, and authority of Christ or just keep John and take out Matthew and the two enhancements.
There isnt a red Matthew. There's a purple one and a Green one. I'm assuming it's the purple one, so my guess would be he's mainly in there to Draw and recur "He is Risen." But add more purple or you can just take it out
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Yes, I meant purple Matthew (whoops), for the purpose of the draw, not battle winning. Fixing the color now, thanks!
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If I take out brown, won't my defense be too small? Is it ok to have a lot of offense with little defense? Also, why is it recommended to take out Hur? He is great for his ability!
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If I take out brown, won't my defense be too small? Is it ok to have a lot of offense with little defense? Also, why is it recommended to take out Hur? He is great for his ability!
If you look at the complete decks section of the forum, most tourney winning T1 decks are offense-heavy. It all depends on how quickly you can win. Hur is great, but only if you get Gifts out. There are other things for speed that fit better in this theme. Pentecost and First Fruits for example
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Noted! Thanks a lot! So if I pull Hur and add pentecost and first fruits, what other recommendations do you have? I wasn't looking to make this strictly Gardenciples, but it seems that most recommendations are to do so. I guess I don't understand the benefit of adding more disciples, with no purple enhancements.
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Whats exactly wrong with the deck outside of it not being 51 cards (points to hamans plot)?
Actually, I can do 50 (points to haman's gallows)!
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Noted! Thanks a lot! So if I pull Hur and add pentecost and first fruits, what other recommendations do you have? I wasn't looking to make this strictly Gardenciples, but it seems that most recommendations are to do so. I guess I don't understand the benefit of adding more disciples, with no purple enhancements.
I'd suggest:
taking out
Hur
Gifts
No Need for Spices
Burning Bush
Prosperity
Golgatha
and exchange the immunity LS for something else
and adding in
AoCP
My Lord & My God
First Fruits
Pentacost
Philip
Bartholemew
Whats exactly wrong with the deck outside of it not being 51 cards (points to hamans plot)?
Actually, I can do 50 (points to haman's gallows)!
True, but make sure you dont play the Plot without Gallows in play!
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True, but make sure you dont play the Plot without Gallows in play!
I'm guessing he only has one and wouldn't play it without gallows, regardless of deck size. Not all of us have stacks of plots ready for such occasions ::)
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Whats exactly wrong with the deck outside of it not being 51 cards (points to hamans plot)?
Actually, I can do 50 (points to haman's gallows)!
Usually Gallows isn't worth the slot in top decks.
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Whats exactly wrong with the deck outside of it not being 51 cards (points to hamans plot)?
Actually, I can do 50 (points to haman's gallows)!
Usually Gallows isn't worth the slot in top decks.
For someone who can't check 8 identical decks just to use Plot, it's worth a spot IMHO.
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Absolutely. That's why I said top decks.
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Whats exactly wrong with the deck outside of it not being 51 cards (points to hamans plot)?
Actually, I can do 50 (points to haman's gallows)!
Usually Gallows isn't worth the slot in top decks.
For someone who can't check 8 identical decks just to use Plot, it's worth a spot IMHO.
2 decks with HP at 50; 1 at 50 without Plot OR 1 with 51 with a Plot (which will probably be ripped first game).
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Ok, so does anyone recommend going with just white N.T. females, and no disciples? I have heard that this can be beneficial with GT, especially with Susanna.
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I don't know for sure about 2P, but I rather like a mix of Disciples and NT females for my multiplayer deck.
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I prefer solid white. Maybe a splash of purple with John, Lois, Reach, and AoCP. And maybe Lydia in your white.
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The right Teal splash can get real fun.
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Ok, so does anyone recommend going with just white N.T. females, and no disciples? I have heard that this can be beneficial with GT, especially with Susanna.
Disciples give more speed options, but straight white, or a little purple splashed in (like Ring Wraith suggested) or TGT with Teal could all work.
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My Suggestions are just to go Straight White No John, and Peter. And Straight Brown.
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Ok, noted! Thanks everyone. There are many suggestions here. I guess I'll have to play out the options and see which is the best.
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I'd replace Dragon Raid with Ends of the Earth.
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I updated to all white (no disciples). I feel like they were hindering the N.T. female strength. I'm still stuck on what to do for defense, phillies, brown or someting totally different. Suggestions?
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I would add Four-Drachma Coin and Peter to help your speed, and I would get rid of black (or at least several of your black enhancements - especially Goliath's Armor), and instead concentrate on standalone (Uzzah, Gomer, KoT, Sabbath Breaker, Plot, Manny + Charms).
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I would add Four-Drachma Coin and Peter to help your speed, and I would get rid of black (or at least several of your black enhancements - especially Goliath's Armor), and instead concentrate on standalone (Uzzah, Gomer, KoT, Sabbath Breaker, Plot, Manny + Charms).
Damsel would be handy in a standalone for drawing and the ability to use Charms
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True. I like Manny for standalone because his ability can be a battle winner late-game, and I like his band ability since you can potentially take an opponent's Genyptian defense, or possibly an Astrologers. However, Damsel might indeed be the better choice.
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The problem is that his ability needs GoJ to win the battle late game, or it'll get negated.