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Dominants can't be negated. Both of the cards you mentioned are very good, but they can't negate three woes.

Shoot let me explain a little better, haha.

I found IotB and GS shutting down my artifacts I have in place like cake.  (Annoying)
Then 3 Woes shutting down Moses (REALLY ANNOYING) He is one of my major defensive cards because of his ability.  I LOVE CoW cards, but is RoJ going to be king from now on?

Dang it....

Yeah, still learning Redemption lingo.  Okay then, Partners with Demons it is then XD.

But Lampstand of the Sanctuary would protect against CM?  Because it discards?

you can't protect from being negated.  lampstand doesn't stop 3woes or those artifacts from negating anything

Lampstand does protect against the three woes if it's played as an evil dominant.

Quote from: sepjazzwarrior on June 28, 2017, 09:52:38 AM

you can't protect from being negated.  lampstand doesn't stop 3woes or those artifacts from negating anything

Lampstand does protect against the three woes if it's played as an evil dominant.

Negates target abilities. That's why you can still negate a protected CoW Gideon for example.

Lampstand does not protect cards from an evil Three Woes.

As for your trouble with Image and Censer, I would recommend Treasures of War and/or Paying Taxes (especially if they are kind enough to negate your Moses). 

The black/gold outsiders is nice for getting rid of problematic cards rolling over your opponent with its insane ability

Fixed that for you

Lampstand does not protect cards from an evil Three Woes.

I'm having a hard time understanding why, can you elaborate?

Negate targets abilities. Same goes for protect Fortresses (Areopagus protects your Greeks from good cards, but they can still be targeted by say a Moses or Golden Censer from territory to be negated even though they couldn't be say discarded or converted)

Pretty much this.

As far as IotB and GC are concerned, I don't recall seeing anyone use them besides myself. They're nice, but not staples. If they could stop 3 Woes somehow, they'd probably be staples.

As far as making Moses unstoppable, there's always this:

Spoiler (hover to show)

I've toyed with using that (in the Reserve) for a certain Hero, but other things have been more useful.

Protection applies to cards, negates target abilities.

Why do you think Three Woes can target a protected Lampstand (because it protects itself), but not anything else it's protecting?  If Lampstand is a valid target, so is anything else it's protecting.

discard it from territory or use CBN/CBI stuff

Protection applies to cards, negates target abilities.

Why do you think Three Woes can target a protected Lampstand (because it protects itself), but not anything else it's protecting?  If Lampstand is a valid target, so is anything else it's protecting.

So you're saying if gopher wood which protects Noah's Ark is on Noah's Ark you can still negate Noah's Ark and the characters in Noah's Ark just sit there?

Abomination of Desolation, Priests of Zeus, Desecrate the Temple and Partners with Demons can hit Woes either as good or evil.

Depending on if its played as good or evil you can use various other enhancements to discard it.

How can Desecrate hit T3W if it's played as evil? It only drops Good Dominants

Could ya'll explain to me why Joy (EC) can be played on Moses? Doesn't he negate it?

Could ya'll explain to me why Joy (EC) can be played on Moses? Doesn't he negate it?

If you play Joy in battle and place it on your Moses in territory, Moses would not negate it because his ability is a prevent at that point and Joy has already activated.

Once Joy is placed, the place ability cannot be negated in a later phase (because it has completed). So as long as Joy is placed on Moses it makes him "cannot be negated" and abilities that make other cards "cannot be negated" cannot be negated themselves.

Whoa 

Learning these very precise rules is proving difficult but doable.

Hang in There! You will get it!

Thanks for the advice!

I don't think they bother me as much as I want to get some answer for them.  I felt like my deck was SOLID at states, granted I was playing a National Champ, but I feel like my deck's defense got pummeled, just plain pummeled.

I was thinking more about the original question and while I don't think they are necessarily "staples," I think that if someone does not have a Three Woes, they should definitely run at least one of these two (maybe both if they have room). Personally, if I had a deck that did not have 3 Woes, I would probably run one of them in the main deck and the other in the Reserve (the one in the Reserve depending on what Reserve access I had available in the main deck).

I do have a T1 deck currently built that has 3 Woes and Censer in the main deck and then Image in the Reserve because I have the Brown/Crimson Outsiders as an easy way to pull it out.

What do you do if you have opened two boxes and some packs at tournaments and still have gotten either? 

Then it's time to starting making some trades