Author Topic: He discarded and discarded and discarded some more. (Read 5073 times)

Nameless · « **on:** October 10, 2011, 08:23:49 PM »

I think that this is a kinda interesting deck and would like some advice about it and maybe make it smaller!

Cards 154

Lost souls 21
deck discard X 3
hand discard X 3
3 liner X 2
exchanger X 2
NT only X 2
woman’s X 2
site remover X 2
revealer X 2
Site Doubler X 3

Dominants 10
SoG
NJ
Angle
Grapes
GoYS
CM
Burial
FA
Mayhem
DoN

Heroes 8
Generous widow X 2
Martha
Hur
Watchful servant X 3
Phinehas

Enhancements (good) 9
Feast of Trumpets
Meeting the Messiah X 3
Repentance and restitution X 2
Kindness X 2
The Prodigal Returns X 2

Evil Characters 34
Goat with Horn
Winged leopard
Antiochus Epiphanes
Greek Philosophers
Philetus
12–fingered giant
Goliath X 2
Philistine Garrison X 2
Philistine armor bearer X 2
Queen Tapanis X 2
Egyptian Horsemen X 2
Huge Egyptian
Egyptian Magicians
King Shashak X 2
King Manasseh
Spirit of Temptation X 2
Wandering Spirit X 2
King of Tyrus X 2
King Rehoboam X 2
Gomer X 2
Uzzah
Balaam
Astrologers

Evil Enhancements 38
Abomination of Desolation X 3
Pride of Simon X 2
Bringing Fear X 2
Wrath of Satan X 2
Foolish Advice X 2
Joseph’s Brothers’ Schemes X 2
Egyptian Spear X 2
Egyptian Horses X 2
Wonders Forgotten X 2
Evil Sprit X 2
Pagan Sacrifices X 2
Destructive Sin X 2
Suicidal Swine Stampede X 2
Death of Unrighteous X 2
Confusion X 2
Threatened Lives X 2
Invoking Terror X 2
2K Horses
Forgotten History X2

Sites 9
Babylonian Banqueting Hall X 2
Babylon X 5
Chorvzn X 2

Artifacts 14
Unholy Writ X 2
Magic Charms X 2
Lampstand in the Sanctuary X 2
Ashera Poll
Bronze Laver X 2
Rain becomes Dust X 2
Household Idols
I Am Creator
Chariots of Fire
Giving Over to Egypt X 2
Gifts X 2
Fortresses 7
Herod’s Temple X 2
Philistine Outpost X 2
Gates of Hell
Jerusalem Tower
Kingdoms of this world
Goshen
Pithom

Chronic Apathy · « **Reply #1 on:** October 10, 2011, 08:27:25 PM »

Well, the first thing is that big decks don't work in anything more than casual play, due to the inevitable time outs, so just keep that in mind. Other than that, for the most part, I like it. Disciples will pretty much whip you unless you take out Simon the Zealot quickly, but since they aren't seeing much play right now, the idea isn't a bad gig.

Nameless · « **Reply #2 on:** October 10, 2011, 08:29:01 PM »

Quote from: Chronic Apathy on October 10, 2011, 08:27:25 PM

Well, the first thing is that big decks don't work in anything more than casual play, due to the inevitable time outs, so just keep that in mind. Other than that, for the most part, I like it. Disciples will pretty much whip you unless you take out Simon the Zealot quickly, but since they aren't seeing much play right now, the idea isn't a bad gig.

i was thinking of that what do you think that I could take out t make it smaller?

Chronic Apathy · « **Reply #3 on:** October 10, 2011, 08:31:56 PM »

I'm not sure that making it smaller is the best route for you, honestly. The thing this deck has going for it is that it's big. Do some discarding during the game, then just spam Generous Widow at the end game to get his hand size down so he can't do much against Servant. If you bust the deck down to a reasonable size (even 100 cards), you begin to lose the beauty of that concept.

Red Wing · « **Reply #4 on:** October 10, 2011, 09:03:34 PM »

I'd have a Kingdoms of this World because you have no protection from AoCP, He is Risen, A Child is Born, and things like that. Maybe one of the Joseph's Bros schemes could go for that?

Nameless · « **Reply #5 on:** October 10, 2011, 09:06:51 PM »

That is one thing that i had not thought of. I like side battles because then they use Gen Widow and discard 2 cards from hand , deck and territory.

Red Wing · « **Reply #6 on:** October 10, 2011, 09:13:37 PM »

Quote from: Nameless on October 10, 2011, 09:06:51 PM

That is one thing that i had not thought of. I like side battles because then they use Gen Widow and discard 2 cards from hand , deck and territory.

Perhaps one of the J towers then? Also, I think Asherah Pole would be handy to make all of your enhancements CBN. I dont know what to take out for that though. Maybe a Lampstand?

Isildur · « **Reply #7 on:** October 10, 2011, 09:42:33 PM »

imo scrap the deck there is too much going on here to even spend the time to save the deck.

Chronic Apathy · « **Reply #8 on:** October 10, 2011, 10:12:37 PM »

Quote from: Isildur on October 10, 2011, 09:42:33 PM

imo scrap the deck there is too much going on here to even spend the time to save the deck.

I disagree. The defense might need some tightening up, but the idea looks very, very fun if he can pull it off.

Isildur · « **Reply #9 on:** October 11, 2011, 12:08:01 AM »

I would like to disagree because with only being able to D3 every turn and having so many colors, discard your character cards and really no focus you wont be able to survive.

Chronic Apathy · « **Reply #10 on:** October 11, 2011, 08:57:19 AM »

Like I said, he focuses the defense a bit more, it'll be viable in casual play. You can "disagree" all you want, but you can't really say that my opinion that it looks like a fun idea is wrong. If he tightens the defense up to two colors, adds some drawing, and bumps it up to the full 154 with focus on hand discard with minor deck discard, it can most definitely work. Herolite/heroless, when done properly, are the strongest decks in the game.

Minister Polarius · « **Reply #11 on:** October 11, 2011, 09:04:39 AM »

Make it 100 cards or bump it up to 150. You're gaining no benefit from running 140.

Red Wing · « **Reply #12 on:** October 11, 2011, 10:00:20 AM »

Also, Philetus is a Greek, so he would probably be better than Greek Philosiphers. He can use Invoking Terror as a battle winner since he's crimson/black.

Nameless · « **Reply #13 on:** October 11, 2011, 05:51:54 PM »

Quote from: Red Wing on October 10, 2011, 09:13:37 PM

Quote from: Nameless on October 10, 2011, 09:06:51 PM
That is one thing that i had not thought of. I like side battles because then they use Gen Widow and discard 2 cards from hand , deck and territory.

Perhaps one of the J towers then? Also, I think Asherah Pole would be handy to make all of your enhancements CBN. I dont know what to take out for that though. Maybe a Lampstand?

will do

Quote from: Minister Polarius on October 11, 2011, 09:04:39 AM

Make it 100 cards or bump it up to 150. You're gaining no benefit from running 140.

i was thinking about that and adding a bit more speed. I wish that i could have gifts and RBD up at the same time that would speed things up.

Quote from: Red Wing on October 11, 2011, 10:00:20 AM

Also, Philetus is a Greek, so he would probably be better than Greek Philosiphers. He can use Invoking Terror as a battle winner since he's crimson/black.

That's nice will do

could someone with RTS maybe try this deck for me and see if it does good?

SomeKittens · « **Reply #14 on:** October 11, 2011, 06:48:43 PM »

Chorizin will allow you to have RBD/Gifts, if only for one turn.

Nameless · « **Reply #15 on:** October 11, 2011, 06:52:48 PM »

Quote from: SomeKittens on October 11, 2011, 06:48:43 PM

Chorizin will allow you to have RBD/Gifts, if only for one turn.

would i have to do that the turn that i drew it or any turn that i wanted

browarod · « **Reply #16 on:** October 11, 2011, 07:00:35 PM »

When you put a LS in it, it can then hold a curse for 1 turn. So as long as it's empty you can control when you put a LS in it and, thus, when it can hold a curse.

Red Wing · « **Reply #17 on:** October 11, 2011, 09:47:18 PM »

What's Jerusalem Tower for? I can understand one but two of them?

Minister Polarius · « **Reply #18 on:** October 11, 2011, 11:46:01 PM »

In a 150 card deck you can have 9 turns of Kozarin (3 Kozarin, 3 side-doublers, 3 site-removers). That's assuming you draw all 9 (and in the right order) before you lose.

Nameless · « **Reply #19 on:** October 12, 2011, 08:36:15 AM »

I have updated it a bit.

Ken4Christ4ever · « **Reply #20 on:** October 12, 2011, 10:25:30 AM »

I like the concept of big decks after taking a 154-card mostly defense deck to Nationals. With just 4 heros and 6 good enhancements, I only flat-out lost once (Miriam!), won 3 times, and timed out 6. That deck had only seen one game before going to Nationals, so with a few tweaks it should be able to win a few more of those time out games...

Have fun with it!

Nameless · « **Reply #21 on:** October 12, 2011, 05:52:35 PM »

Quote from: Ken4Christ4ever on October 12, 2011, 10:25:30 AM

I like the concept of big decks after taking a 154-card mostly defense deck to Nationals. With just 4 heros and 6 good enhancements, I only flat-out lost once (Miriam!), won 3 times, and timed out 6. That deck had only seen one game before going to Nationals, so with a few tweaks it should be able to win a few more of those time out games...

Have fun with it!

yeah miriam would have been tuff on you. that's what i think that I will do it just will take me forever to get all the cards.

Ken4Christ4ever · « **Reply #22 on:** October 12, 2011, 08:24:53 PM »

I took care of a couple others in different games, but didn't get any of the cards I had that could do anything about her in the one.

Nameless · « **Reply #23 on:** October 13, 2011, 08:44:07 AM »

I updated it a bit more.

Red Wing · « **Reply #24 on:** October 13, 2011, 09:02:56 AM »

If you're looking to add cards, Goshen would nice to protect your heroes from your own Wrath of Satan and your opponent's defense.

Nameless · « **Reply #25 on:** October 13, 2011, 06:43:53 PM »

Quote from: Red Wing on October 13, 2011, 09:02:56 AM

If you're looking to add cards, Goshen would nice to protect your heroes from your own Wrath of Satan and your opponent's defense.

Did that and a few other things.
What do you think?

cookie monster · « **Reply #26 on:** October 13, 2011, 08:33:03 PM »

I wont to play agents this deck and see how it works!

Minister Polarius · « **Reply #27 on:** October 13, 2011, 08:42:52 PM »

Agent Smith?

Red Wing · « **Reply #28 on:** October 13, 2011, 08:44:31 PM »

Quote from: Nameless on October 13, 2011, 06:43:53 PM

Quote from: Red Wing on October 13, 2011, 09:02:56 AM
If you're looking to add cards, Goshen would nice to protect your heroes from your own Wrath of Satan and your opponent's defense.
Did that and a few other things.
What do you think?

Looks pretty good to me, but no Pharaoh's Throne Room? Maybe take out Pithom x1 for that.

Nameless · « **Reply #29 on:** October 13, 2011, 08:48:26 PM »

Quote from: cookie monster on October 13, 2011, 08:33:03 PM

I wont to play agents this deck and see how it works!

I will get to if i ever get all the cards

Quote from: Red Wing on October 13, 2011, 08:44:31 PM

Quote from: Nameless on October 13, 2011, 06:43:53 PM
Quote from: Red Wing on October 13, 2011, 09:02:56 AM
If you're looking to add cards, Goshen would nice to protect your heroes from your own Wrath of Satan and your opponent's defense.
Did that and a few other things.
What do you think?

Looks pretty good to me, but no Pharaoh's Throne Room? Maybe take out Pithom x1 for that.

i had already taken 1 out for something else and i want 1 in there.

Red Wing · « **Reply #30 on:** October 13, 2011, 08:52:48 PM »

Well, I'd definitely try to fit in Throne room or maybe another Kingdoms. Just one protect fort in such a big deck might not be enough. Also, you could try testing it Online.

Nameless · « **Reply #31 on:** October 13, 2011, 09:01:03 PM »

Quote from: Red Wing on October 13, 2011, 08:52:48 PM

Well, I'd definitely try to fit in Throne room or maybe another Kingdoms. Just one protect fort in such a big deck might not be enough. Also, you could try testing it Online.

i do not have RTS so i cannot. I wonder if someone else could do it.

Red Wing · « **Reply #32 on:** October 13, 2011, 09:15:47 PM »

Quote from: Nameless on October 13, 2011, 09:01:03 PM

Quote from: Red Wing on October 13, 2011, 08:52:48 PM
Well, I'd definitely try to fit in Throne room or maybe another Kingdoms. Just one protect fort in such a big deck might not be enough. Also, you could try testing it Online.
i do not have RTS so i cannot. I wonder if someone else could do it.

I would, but there's no rts for mac

Warrior_Monk · « **Reply #33 on:** October 14, 2011, 12:10:44 AM »

Quote from: Ken4Christ4ever on October 12, 2011, 10:25:30 AM

I like the concept of big decks after taking a 154-card mostly defense deck to Nationals. With just 4 heros and 6 good enhancements, I only flat-out lost once (Miriam!), won 3 times, and timed out 6. That deck had only seen one game before going to Nationals, so with a few tweaks it should be able to win a few more of those time out games...

Have fun with it!

Few tweaks meaning cut it down to 70. At a top table, a speed player will take their time full well knowing that they will either win or time out win. Even with my 70, I struggled to win before a time out. Granted, I never really had a legit time out at Nationals, but I probably would have time out'd against RDT. I did time out against Tim at MN state.

Nameless · « **Reply #34 on:** October 14, 2011, 05:43:08 PM »

Quote from: Red Wing on October 13, 2011, 09:15:47 PM

Quote from: Nameless on October 13, 2011, 09:01:03 PM
Quote from: Red Wing on October 13, 2011, 08:52:48 PM
Well, I'd definitely try to fit in Throne room or maybe another Kingdoms. Just one protect fort in such a big deck might not be enough. Also, you could try testing it Online.
i do not have RTS so i cannot. I wonder if someone else could do it.

I would, but there's no rts for mac

thats the same problem i have

Red Wing · « **Reply #35 on:** October 14, 2011, 08:51:11 PM »

you should also consider High Places. It lets you play A-bomb, Destructive Sin, and a couple more outside of battle. Maybe take out J-Tower for that?

Nameless · « **Reply #36 on:** October 15, 2011, 05:04:21 PM »

Quote from: Red Wing on October 14, 2011, 08:51:11 PM

you should also consider High Places. It lets you play A-bomb, Destructive Sin, and a couple more outside of battle. Maybe take out J-Tower for that?

I got the cards and made the deck and found that problem and fixed it.

Red Wing · « **Reply #37 on:** October 18, 2011, 01:17:51 PM »

Have you gotten a chance to test this deck yet? If so I'd love to hear how it did.

Nameless · « **Reply #38 on:** October 18, 2011, 06:41:50 PM »

Yeah i have played it a bit. If i can get sites,ecs,and philly outpost i can win. If i do not get ecs then i lost the game.

cookie monster · « **Reply #39 on:** October 20, 2011, 06:32:45 PM »

who did you play?

Nameless · « **Reply #40 on:** October 20, 2011, 07:30:10 PM »

Quote from: cookie monster on October 20, 2011, 06:32:45 PM

who did you play?

Neil,Jayden, mom,dad

Red Wing · « **Reply #41 on:** October 21, 2011, 04:03:16 PM »

Quote from: Nameless on October 18, 2011, 06:41:50 PM

Yeah i have played it a bit. If i can get sites,ecs,and philly outpost i can win. If i do not get ecs then i lost the game.

If your having trouble getting ECs, I'd take at both (or at least one) Threatened Lives for either Unknown Nation or another EC. Damsel would be a good choice IMO.

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