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Redemption® Collectible Trading Card Game HQ => Deck Building & Design => Type 1 Deck Advice => Topic started by: Nameless on October 10, 2011, 08:23:49 PM
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I think that this is a kinda interesting deck and would like some advice about it and maybe make it smaller!
Cards 154
Lost souls 21
deck discard X 3
hand discard X 3
3 liner X 2
exchanger X 2
NT only X 2
woman’s X 2
site remover X 2
revealer X 2
Site Doubler X 3
Dominants 10
SoG
NJ
Angle
Grapes
GoYS
CM
Burial
FA
Mayhem
DoN
Heroes 8
Generous widow X 2
Martha
Hur
Watchful servant X 3
Phinehas
Enhancements (good) 9
Feast of Trumpets
Meeting the Messiah X 3
Repentance and restitution X 2
Kindness X 2
The Prodigal Returns X 2
Evil Characters 34
Goat with Horn
Winged leopard
Antiochus Epiphanes
Greek Philosophers
Philetus
12–fingered giant
Goliath X 2
Philistine Garrison X 2
Philistine armor bearer X 2
Queen Tapanis X 2
Egyptian Horsemen X 2
Huge Egyptian
Egyptian Magicians
King Shashak X 2
King Manasseh
Spirit of Temptation X 2
Wandering Spirit X 2
King of Tyrus X 2
King Rehoboam X 2
Gomer X 2
Uzzah
Balaam
Astrologers
Evil Enhancements 38
Abomination of Desolation X 3
Pride of Simon X 2
Bringing Fear X 2
Wrath of Satan X 2
Foolish Advice X 2
Joseph’s Brothers’ Schemes X 2
Egyptian Spear X 2
Egyptian Horses X 2
Wonders Forgotten X 2
Evil Sprit X 2
Pagan Sacrifices X 2
Destructive Sin X 2
Suicidal Swine Stampede X 2
Death of Unrighteous X 2
Confusion X 2
Threatened Lives X 2
Invoking Terror X 2
2K Horses
Forgotten History X2
Sites 9
Babylonian Banqueting Hall X 2
Babylon X 5
Chorvzn X 2
Artifacts 14
Unholy Writ X 2
Magic Charms X 2
Lampstand in the Sanctuary X 2
Ashera Poll
Bronze Laver X 2
Rain becomes Dust X 2
Household Idols
I Am Creator
Chariots of Fire
Giving Over to Egypt X 2
Gifts X 2
Fortresses 7
Herod’s Temple X 2
Philistine Outpost X 2
Gates of Hell
Jerusalem Tower
Kingdoms of this world
Goshen
Pithom
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Well, the first thing is that big decks don't work in anything more than casual play, due to the inevitable time outs, so just keep that in mind. Other than that, for the most part, I like it. Disciples will pretty much whip you unless you take out Simon the Zealot quickly, but since they aren't seeing much play right now, the idea isn't a bad gig.
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Well, the first thing is that big decks don't work in anything more than casual play, due to the inevitable time outs, so just keep that in mind. Other than that, for the most part, I like it. Disciples will pretty much whip you unless you take out Simon the Zealot quickly, but since they aren't seeing much play right now, the idea isn't a bad gig.
i was thinking of that what do you think that I could take out t make it smaller?
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I'm not sure that making it smaller is the best route for you, honestly. The thing this deck has going for it is that it's big. Do some discarding during the game, then just spam Generous Widow at the end game to get his hand size down so he can't do much against Servant. If you bust the deck down to a reasonable size (even 100 cards), you begin to lose the beauty of that concept.
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I'd have a Kingdoms of this World because you have no protection from AoCP, He is Risen, A Child is Born, and things like that. Maybe one of the Joseph's Bros schemes could go for that?
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That is one thing that i had not thought of. I like side battles because then they use Gen Widow and discard 2 cards from hand , deck and territory.
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That is one thing that i had not thought of. I like side battles because then they use Gen Widow and discard 2 cards from hand , deck and territory.
Perhaps one of the J towers then? Also, I think Asherah Pole would be handy to make all of your enhancements CBN. I dont know what to take out for that though. Maybe a Lampstand?
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imo scrap the deck there is too much going on here to even spend the time to save the deck.
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imo scrap the deck there is too much going on here to even spend the time to save the deck.
I disagree. The defense might need some tightening up, but the idea looks very, very fun if he can pull it off.
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I would like to disagree because with only being able to D3 every turn and having so many colors, discard your character cards and really no focus you wont be able to survive.
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Like I said, he focuses the defense a bit more, it'll be viable in casual play. You can "disagree" all you want, but you can't really say that my opinion that it looks like a fun idea is wrong. If he tightens the defense up to two colors, adds some drawing, and bumps it up to the full 154 with focus on hand discard with minor deck discard, it can most definitely work. Herolite/heroless, when done properly, are the strongest decks in the game.
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Make it 100 cards or bump it up to 150. You're gaining no benefit from running 140.
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Also, Philetus is a Greek, so he would probably be better than Greek Philosiphers. He can use Invoking Terror as a battle winner since he's crimson/black.
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That is one thing that i had not thought of. I like side battles because then they use Gen Widow and discard 2 cards from hand , deck and territory.
Perhaps one of the J towers then? Also, I think Asherah Pole would be handy to make all of your enhancements CBN. I dont know what to take out for that though. Maybe a Lampstand?
will do
Make it 100 cards or bump it up to 150. You're gaining no benefit from running 140.
i was thinking about that and adding a bit more speed. I wish that i could have gifts and RBD up at the same time that would speed things up.
Also, Philetus is a Greek, so he would probably be better than Greek Philosiphers. He can use Invoking Terror as a battle winner since he's crimson/black.
That's nice will do
could someone with RTS maybe try this deck for me and see if it does good?
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Chorizin will allow you to have RBD/Gifts, if only for one turn.
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Chorizin will allow you to have RBD/Gifts, if only for one turn.
would i have to do that the turn that i drew it or any turn that i wanted
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When you put a LS in it, it can then hold a curse for 1 turn. So as long as it's empty you can control when you put a LS in it and, thus, when it can hold a curse.
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What's Jerusalem Tower for? I can understand one but two of them?
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In a 150 card deck you can have 9 turns of Kozarin (3 Kozarin, 3 side-doublers, 3 site-removers). That's assuming you draw all 9 (and in the right order) before you lose.
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I have updated it a bit.
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I like the concept of big decks after taking a 154-card mostly defense deck to Nationals. With just 4 heros and 6 good enhancements, I only flat-out lost once (Miriam!), won 3 times, and timed out 6. That deck had only seen one game before going to Nationals, so with a few tweaks it should be able to win a few more of those time out games...
Have fun with it!
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I like the concept of big decks after taking a 154-card mostly defense deck to Nationals. With just 4 heros and 6 good enhancements, I only flat-out lost once (Miriam!), won 3 times, and timed out 6. That deck had only seen one game before going to Nationals, so with a few tweaks it should be able to win a few more of those time out games...
Have fun with it!
yeah miriam would have been tuff on you. that's what i think that I will do it just will take me forever to get all the cards.
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I took care of a couple others in different games, but didn't get any of the cards I had that could do anything about her in the one.
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I updated it a bit more.
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If you're looking to add cards, Goshen would nice to protect your heroes from your own Wrath of Satan and your opponent's defense.
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If you're looking to add cards, Goshen would nice to protect your heroes from your own Wrath of Satan and your opponent's defense.
Did that and a few other things.
What do you think?
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I wont to play agents this deck and see how it works! :o
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Agent Smith?
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If you're looking to add cards, Goshen would nice to protect your heroes from your own Wrath of Satan and your opponent's defense.
Did that and a few other things.
What do you think?
Looks pretty good to me, but no Pharaoh's Throne Room? Maybe take out Pithom x1 for that.
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I wont to play agents this deck and see how it works! :o
I will get to if i ever get all the cards
If you're looking to add cards, Goshen would nice to protect your heroes from your own Wrath of Satan and your opponent's defense.
Did that and a few other things.
What do you think?
Looks pretty good to me, but no Pharaoh's Throne Room? Maybe take out Pithom x1 for that.
i had already taken 1 out for something else and i want 1 in there.
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Well, I'd definitely try to fit in Throne room or maybe another Kingdoms. Just one protect fort in such a big deck might not be enough. Also, you could try testing it Online.
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Well, I'd definitely try to fit in Throne room or maybe another Kingdoms. Just one protect fort in such a big deck might not be enough. Also, you could try testing it Online.
i do not have RTS so i cannot. I wonder if someone else could do it.
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Well, I'd definitely try to fit in Throne room or maybe another Kingdoms. Just one protect fort in such a big deck might not be enough. Also, you could try testing it Online.
i do not have RTS so i cannot. I wonder if someone else could do it.
I would, but there's no rts for mac :'(
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I like the concept of big decks after taking a 154-card mostly defense deck to Nationals. With just 4 heros and 6 good enhancements, I only flat-out lost once (Miriam!), won 3 times, and timed out 6. That deck had only seen one game before going to Nationals, so with a few tweaks it should be able to win a few more of those time out games...
Have fun with it!
Few tweaks meaning cut it down to 70. At a top table, a speed player will take their time full well knowing that they will either win or time out win. Even with my 70, I struggled to win before a time out. Granted, I never really had a legit time out at Nationals, but I probably would have time out'd against RDT. I did time out against Tim at MN state.
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Well, I'd definitely try to fit in Throne room or maybe another Kingdoms. Just one protect fort in such a big deck might not be enough. Also, you could try testing it Online.
i do not have RTS so i cannot. I wonder if someone else could do it.
I would, but there's no rts for mac :'(
thats the same problem i have
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you should also consider High Places. It lets you play A-bomb, Destructive Sin, and a couple more outside of battle. Maybe take out J-Tower for that?
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you should also consider High Places. It lets you play A-bomb, Destructive Sin, and a couple more outside of battle. Maybe take out J-Tower for that?
I got the cards and made the deck and found that problem and fixed it.
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Have you gotten a chance to test this deck yet? If so I'd love to hear how it did. ;)
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Yeah i have played it a bit. If i can get sites,ecs,and philly outpost i can win. If i do not get ecs then i lost the game.
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who did you play?
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who did you play?
Neil,Jayden, mom,dad
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Yeah i have played it a bit. If i can get sites,ecs,and philly outpost i can win. If i do not get ecs then i lost the game.
If your having trouble getting ECs, I'd take at both (or at least one) Threatened Lives for either Unknown Nation or another EC. Damsel would be a good choice IMO.