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Title: Flood
Post by: Bobbert on July 10, 2018, 11:10:45 AM
I'd been planning to play some variation of this before the set launched, but I was scared off by R&D's buff. Now that it seems the consensus is that R&D isn't worth it in T1, I'm giving it a shot.

7 Souls
Dull
Imitate
Humble
Wanderer
Prosperity
Wicked
Darkness

7 Doms
SoG
TSC
AotL
ANB
3W
CM
FA (CoW)

6 Support
Noah's Ark
Babel
Pitch and Gopher Wood
YWR
I am Gabe
Rainbow

9 Heroes
AotW
Noah
's Wife
Ham
's Wife
Shem
's Wife
Japheth
's Wife

5 GEs
Abe's Descendant
FAC
Dove Returns
Faith o Noah
Faith o Sarah

4 DACs
Firefoxes
Two By Two
Forbidden Fruit
Flood

6 ECs
Damsel
Nimrod
Assyrian Survivor
Namaah
Wicked People
Deciever

6 EEs
DoU
2kH
FH
Corrupt Earth
Scattered
Did God Really Say?

10 Reserve
Abe's Servant to Ur
Anthropophobia
7 Years of Plenty
Behemoth
Serpent
FW
ASA
Women as Snares
Treasures of War
Shame

Offense is pretty standard. 5 ways to find Ark (P&GW, Faith o Noah, 2x2, Nimrod, 7 years from FF or Gabe), so it's pretty easy to get it out early. Most of these can also pull Babel, which makes a fantastic target for Noah (especially the ones that put Babel in hand, allowing it to reset so you can play it as a site for reserve access).
Rainbow is almost always if not exclusively an enhancement, and a common target to pull from discard when someone leaves Ark.

The defense is a mix of PG themes. Nimrod tutors the forts and Survivor, Survivor is init, and Siege Army is Shipwreck on a character. Damsel is fast. Namaah is, IMO, the best standalone antediluvian. I like the idea of Wicked People, but I haven't run into enough decks that have enhancements I can discard to make them worth it, so I might swap them for something else.

ANB is mostly played in two situations: If I get behind, I play it during my draw phase to restart my the game going first with 11 cards - with 2.5 copies of Noah to draw the biggest concern is soul drought (which Shem's wife can fix, especially if you do have Noah); otherwise, I'll play it during upkeep to rush heroes out of Ark. I haven't yet played it in battle, though there are situations where it seems good.

Between playing Babel as a site 2-3 times per game, a very open art slot to fit Gabe any turn I need it, First Fruits, and 2x2 grabbing both Behemoth and Serpent if I don't need it for Ark access, I usually get most of my reserve. The bigger issue is if I get too much of it before playing ANB and have to shuffle it back into my deck.

ECs tend to stay in hand instead of in territory, because of Flood, Faith of Noah, and Shem.

Considering adding IaC just to have an extra copy of Noah to draw. If I do then I'll toss an Uzzah in reserve - the only reason I don't have him now is because I don't have the arts to throw away. That said, I'm not sure what to cut - I think this is a deck that I really want to keep as thin as possible (in fact, I'm thinking I might cut one more card for hopper for this reason).

All in all, I think it's fairly solid, though I need more testing (and against a wider variety of decks) before I'll call it good.
Thoughts?
Title: Re: Flood
Post by: Gabe on July 12, 2018, 12:10:03 AM
Overall your build looks solid. You're doing a lot of things right. I am Creator almost assuredly belongs in here. Getting Noah 1st turn and again after ANB is almost "make or break" for this offense. I'd also probably move Fire Foxes to the Reserve and Serpent to the main deck since Serpent can play your EEs. I found The Flood is something I don't want to play every game and ended up stashing it in the Reserve.
Title: Re: Flood
Post by: Bobbert on July 12, 2018, 10:04:23 AM
My reasoning behind the way it's currently set up is that Firefoxes is a more solid block, and Serpent has a higher minimum value if they play around it (since I'll normally pull the animals with 2x2, so they'll know what I'm grabbing). I could see possibly switching them, but why do it for the use of enhancements if I can get a block without enhancements?

Made a couple changes:
-Darkness
-Wicked People
-Abe's Servant to Ur (reserve)
>Treasures of War (reserve to main)
+Lawless
+IAC
+Tubal-Cain
+Ammy Slave (reserve)
+Uzzah (reserve)

Played a couple games with this. Still trying to decide on souls - Lawless is nice as another imitate target but would be much better for this deck if it was good instead of evil, so I might switch back to Darkness. I do like Tubal-Cain - had some fun with him grabbing 2kH into FH to deny the Throne that a lone DaveShep just pulled out. Ammy Slave in reserve essentially lets Babel pull ECs from deck, which is nice. It is at 51 at the moment, but I think I'm okay with that. I'm debating about whether to swap the Shame in reserve for Confusion - I haven't ever actually used Shame yet but I feel like the extra battlewinner is nice to have.
Title: Re: Flood
Post by: Gabe on July 12, 2018, 11:35:46 AM
My reasoning behind the way it's currently set up is that Firefoxes is a more solid block, and Serpent has a higher minimum value if they play around it (since I'll normally pull the animals with 2x2, so they'll know what I'm grabbing). I could see possibly switching them, but why do it for the use of enhancements if I can get a block without enhancements?

In my experience you can get plenty of easy blocks with Fire Foxes against average (and below average) players. The really good players (which are the ones I'd be concerned about) are going to have answers to Fire Foxes or play around it. Fire Foxes and Uzzah are meta so the prepared won't often be caught by it.

I love the addition of Lawless but don't think Darkness is the LS to cut. You have a low number of EC and said yourself that you hold them in hand a lot, meaning Darkness will trigger more often for you. There's also the reset with DoU and ANB. Seems like a potential +3 from that LS is much better than something situational like Wicked.
Title: Re: Flood
Post by: The Guardian on July 12, 2018, 11:52:27 AM
I have found that pulling Foxes out of Reserve with 2x2 really messes with my opponent precisely because they know I'm holding it. They carefully avoid using any draws or searches thinking that Foxes is my only option only to discover that I can get a block and do far more damage with the other character I was holding--so now they've been blocked, didn't get the benefit of drawing or searching and I'm still holding Foxes for next turn... ::)
Title: Re: Flood
Post by: Bobbert on July 12, 2018, 01:05:17 PM
That's a good point on the mind games. I'll have to think about it.

I agree that Darkness is great here and that it should go back in. I do think Wicked is the cut if so, though I will miss the RoP. Maybe I'll have to find room for Lamech somewhere...
Title: Re: Flood
Post by: bluefrog1288 on July 19, 2018, 08:51:37 PM
I have found this post very useful, but some of the abbreviations and short hand make it very difficult to figure out what you're talking about.
Title: Re: Flood
Post by: Bobbert on July 19, 2018, 09:56:46 PM
I have found this post very useful, but some of the abbreviations and short hand make it very difficult to figure out what you're talking about.

Allow me to elaborate on them - sorry if some of these seem obvious, just trying to make sure all bases are covered.

R&D - Rubble and Dust
SoG - Son of God
TSC - The Second Coming
AotL - Angel of the Lord
ANB - A New Beginning
3W - Three Woes
CM - Christian Martyr
FA (CoW) - Falling Away (Cloud of Witnesses)
YWR - You Will Remain
I am Gabe - Covenant of Prayer
AotW - Angel of the Winds
FAC - Faith Among Corruption
DACs - Dual Alignment Cards
Damsel - Damsel with a Spirit of Divination
DoU - Death of Unrighteous
2kH - Two Thousand Horses
FH - Forgotten History
FW - Foreign Wives
ASA - Assyrian Siege Army
2x2 - Two by Two
IaC - I am Creator
Ammy Slave - The Amalekite's Slave
RoP - Regardless of Protection

Hope that helps! Anything I didn't cover, feel free to ask!
Title: Re: Flood
Post by: bluefrog1288 on July 19, 2018, 10:16:20 PM
Thank you!!  I couldn’t figure out a couple for the life of me