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Non-interrupts are your enemy when you have such large numbers. I'd:

Drop Fire Smoke and Sulfer for Striking Herod
drop Multibook Soul
drop Christian Martyr
drop Words of Encouragement
drop Chamber of Angels
drop The Tartan
drop Attending Angel
drop another card

If you don't want to go down to 50-51, then drop CM for Guardian and take your pick on the above for things like Invoking Terror. You could also drop Asnapper for Damsel.

Drop the words/FSS/POJ/Search
Go you don't need an eighth dom. Go down to 50.

Do remember 80-90% of the time, I'm not killing an Opponents guy in battle, I'm killing mine to activate PoJ. And both Daniel Heroes becomes less useful without a White Enhancement to play on them.

CM is still one of the Top Doms to play, yes it doesn't become an Auto-block against Sam-Decks, but it's still VERY useful.

Chamber helps more then it can hurt. (Trust me, I play Angels and I know very well)

The Tartan is my Anti-Hero/Fort card + Anti-Goliath ( which is a staple in my region)

Attending Angel - Again there for a purpose, to pull PoJ faster.

Also, Assnapper is there mostly for LS Gen, I can give an Opponent a Captured Card that I have. Plus it's anti-Egyptian. Damsel's numbers make her useless to this deck especially since I need more of an Assyrian base. It's also why (when I get a copy of it) You'll see both SH and Fire, Smoke and Sulfur in there

Oh, I realize that, I just won't think you'll get a chance to play words, nor will it be particularly useful. Razor is the only thing that'd be good to follow it up with, so not that useful, though there are some situations where it would be. For the most part though, I don't think you need Words.

CM is a middling dominant. I understand it has great uses, but of the dominants you have, that'd be the first I'd cut. And I'd add Guardian over CM anyday.

Chamber is unnecessary because you have Chariots. Sure, you could say "DoN", but those situations are not going to occur that often, and honestly if they can kill all your heroes and DoN your Chariots I'll be impressed. It won't happen the vast majority of the time.

The Tartan is the worst evil character. Your meta is your meta. Strength in Weakness could be good in some metas, but that doesn't mean you should keep it in a final version of a deck.

Attending Angel is unnecessary with speeding the deck up like this. Wheel, Call, Search (which I'd be tempted to take out), Seraph, and First Fruits will all aid to speed the deck up. I would expect all cards in decks to have a purpose, but that purpose isn't necessary for your deck, nor is it the only thing that can do that.

Yeah, I like Asnapper, but he's negatable and situational. Pagan Priest would probably be the better drop. (And yes, I realize you can combo him with PoJ, it's not that good).

Household Idols--
Pros:

• Great card against pretty much any deck
• Able to be recurred with Pagan Priest

Cons:

• Hurts offense a bit
• Not much else

Overall: Possibly worth it, slows down most offenses quite a bit (which also is a cost of yours) but has so much potential to be a staple in every deck nowadays unless every/almost every one of your heroes bands and you only have 4/9 heroes that band.

Strength in Weakness could be good in some metas

Try it, play me, no it can't.

I meant Exchanger. Its also called hopper too.

By you :p

Quote from: Red on September 26, 2012, 11:56:50 AM

Drop the words/FSS/POJ/Search
Go you don't need an eighth dom. Go down to 50.

PoJ is the Decks' base. Enough said.

Words gives more speed and an ITB in a deck that needs it + More draws.

FSS - Again, it kills 2 Characters (I kill my Assyrians to crush the Blocker in a way they can't stop easily, if at all)

Search - WHY??? If I drop Search there is really no need for HT and I can quickly recur it with Micah.

Also, I have never run a 50-52 card deck and never will.

I'm cool with you leaving PoJ in. Words is only good for the speed, Striking Herod (which SHOULD be in here over FSS) and Two Bears are all you really need for interrupts, not to mention Provisions is pre-block, and you also have a boss recurrable negate in Live Coal. So it's essentially just a draw 3. To combo it with HT is risky because then Daniel is left vulnerable and alone.

Or, you could just decimate them instead of doing hokey masiquistic plays. Striking Herod still gives you the option to kill yourself, but includes an interrupt quality. Because you already have massive banding, the interrupt is the better bet.

So drop HT too. Search won't be that useful due to not getting inish, because, again, you SHOULD be banding, otherwise you're extremely vulnerable, and HT leaves you with the same problem.

Yeah, I'm a big banding advocate. It's tough to stop.

Famous last words. I don't agree with Red that you've doomed yourself, I once had the same mentality, but playing all styles of decks make you a better player.

I have always disliked Guardian, mainly because it's only come once for me no other times does it ever come in time.

Chamber is there actually because I don't like having Chariot up that much. And Chamber ensures that I will get my Characters back. But It might be a card I can swap for something else.

Why is the Tartan bad? The Tartan has uses, mainly against Philly's (which are still strong right now) and it shuts Bart down too.

AA was originally in there to get PoJ out faster, but again he is more debatable then anything else.

Assnapper is mainly for my LS Gen (as I already said) and Pagan Priest is actually just an Inish character.

@Q I meant Exchanger. Its also called hopper too.
Daniel Heroes with the Daniel (P) are good, the rest of the Prophets aren't useful to this deck.

Thats why I draw a lot.

HHI hurts me more than my Opponent.

There's a little phrase I like to call PEMN. It means Personal Experience Means Nothing. Guardian isn't useful because you always play larger decks. By cutting it down and adding Guardian, you're saving a soul.

You don't need Chariot up much. You'll have plenty of interrupts to save your characters, and so it's a just-in-case card.

Because The Tartan is just another one of those not-good-for-inish-or-FBTN assyrians with a negatable ability that really doesn't help you except under very certain situations.

I agree with you on HHI though.

By saying you will never play a 50-52 carder you have forever doomed yourself to scrubdom.

I also downvoted this comment.  I piloted a 63 card deck at Nats to 12th place, which although not awesome, is certainly NOT scrubdom.

I'm cool with you leaving PoJ in. Words is only good for the speed, Striking Herod (which SHOULD be in here over FSS) and Two Bears are all you really need for interrupts, not to mention Provisions is pre-block, and you also have a boss recurrable negate in Live Coal. So it's essentially just a draw 3. To combo it with HT is risky because then Daniel is left vulnerable and alone.

Or, you could just decimate them instead of doing hokey masiquistic plays. Striking Herod still gives you the option to kill yourself, but includes an interrupt quality. Because you already have massive banding, the interrupt is the better bet.

So drop HT too. Search won't be that useful due to not getting inish, because, again, you SHOULD be banding, otherwise you're extremely vulnerable, and HT leaves you with the same problem.

Yeah, I'm a big banding advocate. It's tough to stop.

Famous last words. I don't agree with Red that you've doomed yourself, I once had the same mentality, but playing all styles of decks make you a better player.

There's a little phrase I like to call PEMN. It means Personal Experience Means Nothing. Guardian isn't useful because you always play larger decks. By cutting it down and adding Guardian, you're saving a soul.

You don't need Chariot up much. You'll have plenty of interrupts to save your characters, and so it's a just-in-case card.

Because The Tartan is just another one of those not-good-for-inish-or-FBTN assyrians with a negatable ability that really doesn't help you except under very certain situations.

I agree with you on HHI though.

Once I get a SH, I will be putting it in (I only have 1 and its in my other Deck) The main problem isn't actually leaving myself vulnerable, it's actually an Enhancement loss. Micah is awesome at recurring cards like Provisions when then I can use to beat my own Assyrian and activate PoJ (Im assuming that's correct, because PoJ doesn't need a Discard Ability, I just have to D/C an Assyrian) and Micah can put Search back to my Deck too. Both Isaiah and Daniel can easily hold their own in a Battle without other Characters with them too. (or at least as I had played them)
I also have trouble that I'll draw Seraph or a weak guy like that early and then I've got a problem there...

As I mentioned, plenty of my Characters have found HT more useful then troublesome. (I'm good with big banding, but only in certain situations. Goliath is not one of those situations you want your guys in Battle, plus I can easily throw in a banding card that's either Green or White to help me too.)

Actually now that I think about it, I have played a 52 card deck before. (I eventually added a card or two though) I found that it requires playing an unequal deck. Something I don't like doing. (I did it once with Gardensciples... Idk how they're fairing so good or maybe it's just that the girls don't like me or something...)

As for Guardian, I can kinda see where it would great in a Mini-deck that has insane draws. This doesn't go fast enough though.

Hmm... You might be right, I may drop Chamber, but I like it in there because this was supposed to be Angel-based with a Prophet splash...

The thing about the Tartan is that most decks have big banding and that's where I'd use him more then a general blocker. If Goliath or a Philly's out, I'll use him if a Character like Bart appears I'll use it there. But in my region (where I'll be playing this deck for the most part) Goliath has been running rampant so it's an easy way to get rid of that problem.

Red, I commonly play 56 card Decks and I only lost to you because of a mis-play that I did the turn before, and your crazy luck... Idk how you got both SoG/NJ from Mayhem... And I beat you online with my 56 card deck too. Bigger decks don't always mean they're worse, it varies on the player. Like I can't play a 52 card deck because of how I play. Others can, it just varies on the play style.

I apologize for my rough wordage.

Apology accepted, and I had a rough day today as well.  Hopefully we can both look forward to a better tomorrow

I'm just confused as to how your offence intends to win games,

Perhaps you could explain it to me a little

SoG/NJ = 2
Provisions = 1 (at least)
AotL = 1
PoJ/ I kill my territory = Opponent loses 9-10 Evil cards... namely Characters.

Mainly, I kill my own guys to kill the blocker.

This deck my see a Cov w/ Death soon...

You left out walk-ins. You need to use the power of the walk-ins you have.

You do realize that because of the way Poj works, I can simply it instead of your battle winner and laugh at the fact that you just lost an EC. Also, unless i'm playing assyrians you can't chain it to take out multiple of my cards.

I think RDT meant to have "negate" in there. The instead refers to instead of negating the battle winner, you can just negate PoJ.

SoG/NJ = 2
Provisions = 1 (at least)
AotL = 1
PoJ/ I kill my territory = Opponent loses 9-10 Evil cards... namely Characters.

Mainly, I kill my own guys to kill the blocker.

This deck my see a Cov w/ Death soon...

If SoG/NJ/AotL/Provisions are going to get you 4-5 of your souls, why not just cut your deck down to 50 cards and speed to get these cards out?  You have 50 non-LS cards in this deck, of which you calculate 4 will win you 80%-100% of your rescues.  I'm not sure why you can't cut 7 cards (and one LS) from the other 46 cards.

Devourer, mask of fear, foolish advice, any negate any enhancement, of which there are several across each brigade... Any fbtn character for that matter...