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Daniel Deck? (T1)
« on: September 27, 2018, 04:39:09 PM »
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I know it's a moot point with the new set poised to inject new life in things like prophets/babylonians/etc, but does anyone know of a Foretelling Angel Daniel decklist that's been successful in T1? Just curious because I've never played against Foretelling Angel outside of draft and have nothing to draw from, and possibly this list can be developed if it doesn't yet exist.
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Re: Daniel Deck? (T1)
« Reply #1 on: September 27, 2018, 06:02:22 PM »
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I have created a Foretelling Angel deck that was consistent in terms of getting out what you need, getting the engine (Foretelling Angel is the obvious piece) going, and winning some battles.  The barrier to the deck crossing into being competitive is access to battle winning enhancements.

I believe I have a decklist somewhere but it is no longer constructed, and will be a little harder to recreate if not.  I will try to send you a PM with list and explanation if I can find it.

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Re: Daniel Deck? (T1)
« Reply #2 on: September 28, 2018, 07:24:22 AM »
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I did a Daniel deck with foretelling angel but I added the Ruth offense to it with 4x Kindness of Boaz to snag the top card if it wasn't a Daniel card. It was very fast but more of a multi deck.

edit: I'm blind, totally missed this was for t1 lol
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Re: Daniel Deck? (T1)
« Reply #3 on: September 28, 2018, 02:59:01 PM »
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I ran a list for fun around the time of CoW that was very defense heavy, brown and crimson along with 7 sites (Lions Den and BBH IIRC). This was before the Reserve existed. As goalieking87 mentioned, the problem was lack of power on GE part of the deck. But the defense was capable of taking out a large portion of the opposing defense to help clear the path. It wasn't highly completive but it set up extremely fast if you could get Foretelling Angel (which you usually can).
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Re: Daniel Deck? (T1)
« Reply #4 on: September 30, 2018, 05:50:58 PM »
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To make up for a lack of strong GEs, I was thinking the CoW Daniel would be superior due to his recursion (Faith o' Samuel, Faith o' Daniel, etc). But I was also thinking everything this supposed deck would do well an Ezekiel deck would do better. :-\ I don't know how many Daniel cards are out there that are worth playing to the point where Foretelling Angel would be really good.

It's too bad there isn't a limit on Foretelling (say, 2-3 per turn). If there was, I imagine a plethora of Daniel cards could be printed to make the deck pretty competitive. Since there isn't, I think Daniel cards will be few and far between.
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Re: Daniel Deck? (T1)
« Reply #5 on: September 30, 2018, 08:22:14 PM »
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To make up for a lack of strong GEs, I was thinking the CoW Daniel would be superior due to his recursion (Faith o' Samuel, Faith o' Daniel, etc). But I was also thinking everything this supposed deck would do well an Ezekiel deck would do better. :-\ I don't know how many Daniel cards are out there that are worth playing to the point where Foretelling Angel would be really good.

It's too bad there isn't a limit on Foretelling (say, 2-3 per turn). If there was, I imagine a plethora of Daniel cards could be printed to make the deck pretty competitive. Since there isn't, I think Daniel cards will be few and far between.

I looked and didn’t find a deck list. I did enjoy that deck a lot though so I may try to reconstruct it.

It won’t be immediately by any measure of the term, but I will let you know.

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Re: Daniel Deck? (T1)
« Reply #6 on: September 30, 2018, 08:30:50 PM »
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Daniel decks have also suffered from defensive options that have anti-synergy. The strongest Daniel EC - Nebuchadezzar, doesn't work if a Daniel Hero is in play.  :doh:

There are 6 beasts from Daniel that represent different nations. Several of them discard one another. While that's very thematic, it eliminates even more options as you try to build a defense out of the smallish selection of cards that have a Daniel reference.

I think Daniel cards will be few and far between.

We might see few and far before the next Nationals.
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Re: Daniel Deck? (T1)
« Reply #7 on: September 30, 2018, 10:11:30 PM »
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The Daniel deck list I am currently running is as follows:

Tres Leones deck
56 Cards + 10 Card Reserve
* = Daniel Reference (for The Foretelling Angel)
Highlighted = Prophecies of Christ cards

Dominants - 7

Three Woes (RoJ)
The Second Coming (CoW)
Son of God (I deck)
Angel of the Lord (I deck)
Destruction of Nehushtan
Shipwreck (TEC)
Mayhem (FoM-LR)

Lost Souls - 7

“Foreigner”
*“Covenant Breakers

“Gain” (RoJ)
“Vindicated” (FoM)
“Discipline” (CoW)
“Wander” (Priests)
“Site Doubler” (Kings)

Support Cards - 8

Magic Charms (TeP)
*Darius’ Decree (TeP)
*Fiery Furnace
*Lion’s Den

*Lions Den (Women)
*Lions Den (Women)
*Lions Den (Women)
*Lions Den (Women)

Heroes - 9

*Shadrack
*Meshach
*Abed-nego

*Daniel (Promo)
*The Foretelling Angel (TPC)
*Michael (Kings)
*Servants by the River
*Daniel’s Guardian

*Gabriel (Kings)

Good Enhancements - 4

Angelic Guidance (I deck)
Wheel Within a Wheel (FooF)
*Stone Cut Without Hands
*Undefiled (FooF)

Dual Alignment Cards - 4

*Final Judgment
*Cast into Lion’s Den (TPC)
Fire Foxes (CoW)


Evil Characters - 8

*Nebuchadnezzar
*Soothsayers of Babylon
*Conjurers

*Astrologers (TeP)
*The Winged Lion
*King Belshazzar (FooF)
Babylonian Siege Army
*Lions (CoW)
*Chaldeans (Promo)

Evil Enhancements - 9

Invoking Terror (FooF)
*Nebuchadnezzar’s Pride (RoA)
*Belshazzar’s Banquet (FooF)
*Head of Gold (FooF)
Envy (RoJ)
*Large Tree (TxP)
*Thrown to the Beasts (CoW)
Carried into Exile (Priests)
*Great Image (Prophets)

Reserve - 10

~“Gain” LS and Envy (FoM) targets~ Can target any card from Reserve
Overcome! (RoJ)
Faith of Daniel (CoW)

~*Lion’s Den targets~
Negev Lions
Devouring Lion


~*Conjurers targets~
Death of Unrighteous (FoM-LR)
Nimrod, the Mighty (CoW)

~*”Covenant Breakers” LS targets~
Melchizedek
*The Coming Prince


~*Abed-nego (Azariah) targets~
*Michael’s Sword (Angel Wars)
*Unbound (FooF)
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Re: Daniel Deck? (T1)
« Reply #8 on: September 30, 2018, 11:08:09 PM »
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I feel weird commenting on this, due to the fact that I haven't played constructed T1 in years. But I do have a T2 Daniel deck. While I'm sure my experiences with it won't translate perfectly to T1, for a number of reasons, but I could help shine some light on it.

First of all my deck is about 2/3 Daniel cards and it used the CoW Daniel for recursion. Secondly, my characters (especially Azariah) give some decent protection against some things, while I use the Daniel enhancements as negates and protection as well as the occasional battle winner (especially Faith of Daniel when I don't screw up and Cast into Lions Den).

On the defense I have a combo of Babylonians and Persians. While the Babylonians do the majority of the work, I can often get some blocks out of my Persians, especially after Nebechunezzar's Pride (or another ability) has set aside the attacking character and I have a Persian Presidents waiting. Another interesting thing I've found is that the 4 Daniel Beasts from RoA are immune to a brigade, so while I have Foretelling Angel out and the top card of my deck is Daniel it's CBN brigade coverage, which is surprisingly useful with the plethora of multi brigade enhancements out there.

Finally, I am very interested to see that Prophesies of Christ will have at least 13 Daniel cards (if I counted right that is). Although I have to admit, that I do enjoy playing decks that aren't quite competitive because I like a challenge.
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Re: Daniel Deck? (T1)
« Reply #9 on: September 30, 2018, 11:24:35 PM »
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A PoC DoN!! Awesome! I'm curious if it will have updated wording with the same ability, or be upgraded as well...

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Re: Daniel Deck? (T1)
« Reply #10 on: September 30, 2018, 11:40:18 PM »
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In the morning I will add links to the phase 1 cards on Travis’ list. If my count is correct that adds up to 10 cards that haven’t been previewed before!
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Re: Daniel Deck? (T1)
« Reply #11 on: October 01, 2018, 12:15:25 AM »
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Another interesting thing I've found is that the 4 Daniel Beasts from RoA are immune to a brigade, so while I have Foretelling Angel out and the top card of my deck is Daniel it's CBN brigade coverage, which is surprisingly useful with the plethora of multi brigade enhancements out there.

Of course it helps when your opponent forgets that Faith of Barak is still half red when played on a clay character... :-[
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Re: Daniel Deck? (T1)
« Reply #12 on: October 01, 2018, 08:50:50 AM »
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Re: Daniel Deck? (T1)
« Reply #13 on: October 01, 2018, 09:06:49 AM »
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Between Conjurers and Mounted Forces, a PG/Crimson deck is looking pretty solid this year.

Interesting tradeoff on DoN. I think it's probably good, but still not sure it'll top the Woes that took its deckslot for me.

I like the design on Bab Siege Army a lot.
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Re: Daniel Deck? (T1)
« Reply #14 on: October 01, 2018, 09:35:16 AM »
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About DoN- in years past there has been discussion that when it's reprinted, it would be a good dominant since the event is of King Hezekiah destroying an idol.

Love the look of Winged Lion!! And I agree with Bobbert about Bab Siege Army - such a creative and great ability!
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Re: Daniel Deck? (T1)
« Reply #15 on: October 01, 2018, 09:58:52 AM »
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There were a number of options considered for DoN, including a dual alignment Dom like 3W, but this is what our team settled on. It could almost be an LR if it wasn’t for old wording that caused it to discard, then negate.
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Re: Daniel Deck? (T1)
« Reply #16 on: October 01, 2018, 10:02:37 AM »
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oh ok, sounds good! Yes it would be cool if it were a LR...I guess if the old one was errata'd first then it could still happen, but I don't think it's really a big deal either way
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Re: Daniel Deck? (T1)
« Reply #17 on: October 01, 2018, 10:29:24 AM »
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On Shadrach, should his ability be for band abilities on good cards CBI? I am not too worried about it either way since it kind of helps balance it if it makes evil Daniel bands CBI, but not sure why it would scripturally speaking.

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Re: Daniel Deck? (T1)
« Reply #18 on: October 01, 2018, 10:53:41 AM »
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On Shadrach, should his ability be for band abilities on good cards CBI? I am not too worried about it either way since it kind of helps balance it if it makes evil Daniel bands CBI, but not sure why it would scripturally speaking.

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Re: Daniel Deck? (T1)
« Reply #19 on: October 01, 2018, 12:59:32 PM »
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Babylonian Siege Army: "...If its is an Artifact, take it." EDIT: Also; "If it is a Site or Fortress..." <- You missed some spots. ;)

That's a lot more Daniel cards than I expected. I hope extensive testing is being done to ensure Foretelling Angel doesn't become another 'deck out on turn 2-3' deck style. A 50 card deck like this with Mayhem, Wages, Dream, and Faith of Samuel might just do it.
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Re: Daniel Deck? (T1)
« Reply #20 on: October 01, 2018, 02:16:55 PM »
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You can run 4 of the same site in a T1 deck?  I thought max was 3?
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Re: Daniel Deck? (T1)
« Reply #21 on: October 01, 2018, 02:21:11 PM »
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You can run 4 of the same site in a T1 deck?  I thought max was 3?

Pretty sure that no SA sites are unlimited (hence Gates of Samaria).

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Re: Daniel Deck? (T1)
« Reply #22 on: October 01, 2018, 02:38:24 PM »
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It has a Daniel reference so free card with Foretelling. It can hid souls to stall. There are even ways to slow down site access.
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Re: Daniel Deck? (T1)
« Reply #23 on: October 01, 2018, 03:07:25 PM »
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The deck is designed to utilize Sites to hide souls (site-doubler helps this)  and then to shuffle souls and sites away to do it again. That is why I put Shipwreck and Nebuchadnezzar's Pride in this build to deal with any potential access Site or Hero that my opponent has up their sleeves.

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Re: Daniel Deck? (T1)
« Reply #24 on: October 01, 2018, 05:32:45 PM »
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You can run 4 of the same site in a T1 deck?  I thought max was 3?
Pretty sure that no SA sites are unlimited (hence Gates of Samaria).

There is a limit. The number of sites, with or without SA, in a T1 deck cannot exceed the number of souls in the deck. With a no SA site (like Samaria) you can have up to 7 if there are 7 souls in the deck. But if the site has a SA you can only have one of that site in the deck but up to 7 different sites with SAs if there are 7 souls in the deck.
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Re: Daniel Deck? (T1)
« Reply #25 on: October 02, 2018, 01:43:57 AM »
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Wow! Lot's of new cards  :thumbup: ;D

Seems Daniel decks will become a power now and see some play! But my impression regarding crimson increases: This brigade becomes more and more OP IMHO!

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Re: Daniel Deck? (T1)
« Reply #26 on: October 02, 2018, 07:03:35 AM »
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Babylonian Seige Army is a pretty strong card; I love the versatile ability. Was there any reason why it’s ability didn’t have a condition of use, such as Assyrians Seige Army which required another Assyrian to be in play? I think BSA would benefit from such a condition, and it would also help keep it from being an auto splash defense IMHO.
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Re: Daniel Deck? (T1)
« Reply #27 on: October 02, 2018, 07:50:44 AM »
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Babylonian Seige Army is a pretty strong card; I love the versatile ability. Was there any reason why it’s ability didn’t have a condition of use, such as Assyrians Seige Army which required another Assyrian to be in play? I think BSA would benefit from such a condition, and it would also help keep it from being an auto splash defense IMHO.

I’m guessing it’s because there is no room on the card.  Also, it isn’t CBN like Assyrian Siege Army, so that probably factored in too.
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Re: Daniel Deck? (T1)
« Reply #28 on: October 02, 2018, 08:21:59 AM »
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Babylonian Seige Army is a pretty strong card; I love the versatile ability. Was there any reason why it’s ability didn’t have a condition of use, such as Assyrians Seige Army which required another Assyrian to be in play? I think BSA would benefit from such a condition, and it would also help keep it from being an auto splash defense IMHO.

I’m guessing it’s because there is no room on the card.  Also, it isn’t CBN like Assyrian Siege Army, so that probably factored in too.

There appears to be room. There’s a full space at the bottom enough to fit all of the wording. If it can be done on Outsiders gld/blk, it can be done on this. :) Yeah the CBN on ASA I’m sure is a factor.
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Re: Daniel Deck? (T1)
« Reply #29 on: October 04, 2018, 04:13:30 PM »
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Having revealed my deck list and having talked about how spotty the defense was before the new set this year, I would like to share a couple of cards that did not make my list but could have. The old Daniel beasts were good by themselves but were problematic if put in a deck together. Now they are not...

The Bear
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Re: Daniel Deck? (T1)
« Reply #30 on: October 04, 2018, 04:15:34 PM »
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That Terrifying Beast is... terrifying!
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« Reply #31 on: October 04, 2018, 04:44:53 PM »
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That Terrifying Beast is... terrifying!

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Re: Daniel Deck? (T1)
« Reply #32 on: October 04, 2018, 04:50:02 PM »
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Terrifying Beast banding to Emperor Domitian to remove both banded heroes or cost two cards from hand.... Eep.

Bear looks like he'll be fun with the Persian stuff we've seen, too. Looking forward to these!
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Re: Daniel Deck? (T1)
« Reply #33 on: October 04, 2018, 05:03:57 PM »
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Terrifying Beast banding to Emperor Domitian to remove both banded heroes or cost two cards from hand.... Eep.

It’s even worse if your opponent’s hand is protected.
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Re: Daniel Deck? (T1)
« Reply #34 on: October 04, 2018, 06:06:12 PM »
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Terrifying Beast banding to Emperor Domitian to remove both banded heroes or cost two cards from hand.... Eep.

It’s even worse if your opponent’s hand is protected.

Always has been... I stopped running Crowds because of Entrapping.

On another note, between Leopard and Alex Greek banding could be a powerful strategy.
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Re: Daniel Deck? (T1)
« Reply #35 on: October 04, 2018, 06:10:00 PM »
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Terrifying Beast banding to Emperor Domitian to remove both banded heroes or cost two cards from hand.... Eep.

It’s even worse if your opponent’s hand is protected.

Always has been... I stopped running Crowds because of Entrapping.

On another note, between Leopard and Alex Greek banding could be a powerful strategy.

Speaking of banding, I’m glad TTB can band to any Roman now. Romans desperately need banding characters.
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« Reply #36 on: October 06, 2018, 12:45:52 AM »
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Very nice. It's good to see new versions of the Daniel Beasts, although I will miss their brigade immunities, as quite often that alone won me battles.

From my experience with a T2 Daniel deck and based on the cards I've seen so far, I can rank them in order of how good they look to me.
1) The Bear: Topdecking a Babylonian is such a nice ability for a Daniel deck, especially when he can band to a Persian, and being able to get a Persian from Reserve is nice too.

2) The Winged Lion:  Recurring evil enhancements is nice, especially nice ones like Nebechunezzar's Pride. Although to be fair, he mostly made it here because Crimson is the best Daniel brigade so far.

3) The Terrifying Beast: His ability probably should put him in first, but the lack of any real utility in a Daniel deck except his ability (he's grey and orange, neither of which have much in the way of enhancements) But his ability and numbers can sometimes win battles on their own (if their hand is protected or they have to underdeck their only usable enhancement).

4) The Winged Leopard: His ability is good, but lack of Daniel support and The Terrifying Beast's battle winning ability put him here. However, there are a couple of other Daniel Greeks, and with Alexander coming out, maybe he could have a place.

Either way, this is mostly my thoughts on the four of them as I look at them right now. Given some support and I could see my view of them change.

That being said, my analysis was just for in a Daniel deck. They all seem to work nicely along with their Civilization.
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