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Title: Advice...Pls? Revision 04/12/2010
Post by: MrMiYoda on March 04, 2010, 11:36:26 AM
Per some suggestions (latest by Gabe), deck revised 04/12/2010.  Critique, please.

To those who have been part of the critique team AND are active participants, I promise a McDonald's breakfast if you attend Nats.  Gabe, I owe you a couple of RTS games!!!

Thanks and Godbless!

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CHANGES:
**none yet**

PLANS:
**none yet**

THINKTANK:
1.  What extra card should I put in place of Haman's Plot when it's used up, to keep my deck legal, thus 51-card total?
2.  If I insisted on 5 more cards,  does anyone among the 50-card fanatics, including my 'nephew' Gabe, have the ultimate fix that could still be as good as a 50-card deck?
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Cards in deck: 50
Lost Souls: 8
   Lost Soul (female only)
   Lost Soul (shuffler)
   Lost Soul (revealer)
   Lost Soul (wanderer)
   Lost Souls (2-line)
   Lost Soul (1st Round)
   Lost Soul (NT Only)
   Lost Soul (Hopper)

Lamb Dominants: 6
   Angel of the Lord
   Grapes of Wrath
   Guardian Of Your Souls
   New Jerusalem
   Son of God
   Harvest Time

Grim Reaper Dominants: 5
   Burial
   Christian Martyr
   Destruction of Nehushtan
   Falling Away
   Mayhem

Fortresses: 2
   Philistine Outpost
   The Garden Tomb
  
Multi-Color Sites: 1
   The Ends of the Earth

Artifacts: 3
   Gifts of the Magi
   Temple Veil
   Holy Grail

Silver Heroes: 2
   Captain of the Host
   The Strong Angel

White Heroes: 2
   Mary the Mother of James
   Salome

Gold Heroes: 3
   The Woman at the Well
   Moses
   Simeon (wa)

Green Heroes: 1
   Hur

Purple Heroes: 2
   Widow
   John

Multi Heroes: 1
   Faithful Servant Promo

White Hero Enhancements: 3
   'He Is Risen'
   Transfiguration
   Consider the Lilies

Gold Hero Enhancements: 1
   Meeting the Messiah  

Purple Hero Enhancements: 2
   Authority of Christ (promo)
   Reach of Desperation

Black Evil Characters: 3
   Philistine Garrison
   The Twelve-Fingered Giant
   Philistine Armor-Bearer

Brown Evil Characters: 3
   Uzzah
   Gomer
   The Amalekite's Slave

Orange Gold Evil Characters: 1
   King of Tyrus

Brown Evil Enhancements 1
   Haman's Plot
Title: Re: Advice...Pls?
Post by: Alex_Olijar on March 04, 2010, 11:37:24 AM
Take Abomination of Desolation out, you don't have any Greeks in here.
Title: Re: Advice...Pls?
Post by: TheKarazyvicePresidentRR on March 04, 2010, 11:38:15 AM
I think that house could be switched for 3 nails.
Title: Re: Advice...Pls?
Post by: BubbleBoy on March 04, 2010, 11:39:56 AM
Take Abomination of Desolation out, you don't have any Greeks in here.
I think he has the multi Greeks in there, seeing as his deck is also a few cards short of 56 from what I counted.

My advice would be to take out TGT. You don't really need it in a deck like this. ::)
Title: Re: Advice...Pls?
Post by: MrMiYoda on March 04, 2010, 11:47:14 AM
Take Abomination of Desolation out, you don't have any Greeks in here.

Hey Alex.  Aren't the two multi-evil guys both Greek?  I also have PM for you.  Thanks!
Title: Re: Advice...Pls?
Post by: ACe on March 04, 2010, 11:48:38 AM
yes they are both greek
Title: Re: Advice...Pls?
Post by: Alex_Olijar on March 04, 2010, 11:52:26 AM
Yeah they are. RTS doesn't export them in the file though. So they aren't in your deck list right now. I hadn't noticed you were short 2 cards.
Title: Re: Advice...Pls?
Post by: MrMiYoda on March 04, 2010, 11:56:23 AM
I think that house could be switched for 3 nails.

Hey Josh.  You think that Three Nails is more useful, right?
Title: Re: Advice...Pls?
Post by: MrMiYoda on March 04, 2010, 11:59:29 AM
Yeah they are. RTS doesn't export them in the file though. So they aren't in your deck list right now. I hadn't noticed you were short 2 cards.

Boy, thanks for catching that guys.  Is it a glitch that causes those cards not to get copied onto the clipboard?
Title: Re: Advice...Pls?
Post by: STAMP on March 04, 2010, 12:11:49 PM
Yeah they are. RTS doesn't export them in the file though. So they aren't in your deck list right now. I hadn't noticed you were short 2 cards.

Boy, thanks for catching that guys.  Is it a glitch that causes those cards not to get copied onto the clipboard?

Roy, the glitch is in RTS.  It can only handle certain card identifiers.  Teal and orange threw it for a loop.  I originally modified the cards.txt file for RTS so that cards would show up in the summaries, e.g. curses are defined as white covenants.  If those volunteers that are updating the cards.txt the past few releases are not remembering to do that, then some cards will not show up.
Title: Re: Advice...Pls?
Post by: MrMiYoda on March 04, 2010, 12:29:08 PM
Hey there Scott!  Long time no see, brother!  Thanks for the heads-up.

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Any more suggestions towards the deck in question are sincerely welcome!

Godbless, ALL!
Title: Re: Advice...Pls?
Post by: BubbleBoy on March 04, 2010, 01:01:47 PM
Do you have any other Orange or multicolor cards in there? Because each time I count this deck it comes out to only 55 cards.
Title: Re: Advice...Pls?
Post by: stefferweffer on March 04, 2010, 01:29:58 PM
Is this deck trying to site stall or not?  Mayhem can make that difficult if you draw lost souls at the wrong time, and Gifts of the Maji can do that to you with the Hur combo too.  You can also find yourself vulnerable to your own Garden Tomb being used against you, with your "splash" defense.  Captured Ark and/or Confusion of Mind could help keep them out of your sites too.  They can band to your own heroes too, without WOP in there.  Also, if you use WC Strong Angel and COTH you can add Israelite Archer (gold) to band to both of them.  Just some ideas to consider.
Title: Re: Advice...Pls?
Post by: TheKarazyvicePresidentRR on March 04, 2010, 03:28:38 PM
I think that house could be switched for 3 nails.

Hey Josh.  You think that Three Nails is more useful, right?
Yeah, I mean, I assume you are using House as a deterant for demons? or am I just missing the point?
Title: Re: Advice...Pls?
Post by: MrMiYoda on March 05, 2010, 12:06:24 PM
I think that house could be switched for 3 nails.

Hey Josh.  You think that Three Nails is more useful, right?
Yeah, I mean, I assume you are using House as a deterant for demons? or am I just missing the point?

Yes, it's just that with House I am more free to use my demons.  What do you think?
Title: Re: Advice...Pls?
Post by: TheKarazyvicePresidentRR on March 05, 2010, 12:42:03 PM
True, Hm, I just prefer 3nails cuz then I don't have to worry about it period, where as house I do, but I do see the defensive drawback.
Title: Re: Advice...Pls?
Post by: BubbleBoy on March 05, 2010, 12:46:11 PM
I would replace Peter with Joanna. Peter is adding an extra brigade, which is unnecessary since Joanna is the same brigade as Hur, and besides, Mary can band to her. I don't see you being able to play Battle Cry very often with only one character to play it on anyway.
Title: Re: Advice...Pls?
Post by: Red Dragon Thorn on March 05, 2010, 12:48:24 PM
Peter counters Simon the Magician. Otherwise Simon can play CBN against just about all of his heroes.
Title: Re: Advice...Pls?
Post by: BubbleBoy on March 05, 2010, 12:53:25 PM
I see. Well I would still get rid of Battle Cry and Captain of the Host to add Joanna and Feast of Trumpets (this is an Abom deck, oui?).
Title: Re: Advice...Pls?
Post by: MrMiYoda on March 05, 2010, 02:07:32 PM
I would replace Peter with Joanna. Peter is adding an extra brigade, which is unnecessary since Joanna is the same brigade as Hur, and besides, Mary can band to her. I don't see you being able to play Battle Cry very often with only one character to play it on anyway.

What do you think if I replaced Peter with FS promo?
Title: Re: Advice...Pls?
Post by: MrMiYoda on March 05, 2010, 02:08:38 PM
Peter counters Simon the Magician. Otherwise Simon can play CBN against just about all of his heroes.

That's why I have it.  Perfect analysis, my brother!  I'm missing Kris!!!!
Title: Re: Advice...Pls?
Post by: MrMiYoda on March 05, 2010, 02:11:01 PM
.... and Feast of Trumpets (this is an Abom deck, oui?).

Clarification ... please?  Thanks and Godbless!
Title: Re: Advice...Pls?
Post by: Red Dragon Thorn on March 05, 2010, 02:11:10 PM
Me too. I left him at home when I went to college. ;) I personally think leave Peter, but cut Battle Cry, BB's right, you'll rarely hit them together. I'd put in Feast of Trumpets.
Title: Re: Advice...Pls?
Post by: BubbleBoy on March 05, 2010, 02:16:58 PM
What do you think if I replaced Peter with FS promo?
Well, now that I think of it, I might not get rid of Peter. If you are expecting to run into Simon and not being able to deal with him (which is even more likely seeing as you are playing Black), Then Peter is a good fit in this deck. However, I stand by this:
Well I would still get rid of Battle Cry and Captain of the Host to add Joanna and Feast of Trumpets.
Battle Cry will likely never see play. I don't think you need Captain and TSA, and Captain has far fewer benefits since he allows banding (which you don't have) and he is OT (which is easier to target). Also, TSA can be brought in for FbtN when using He Is Risen. I don't know if FSP would really be that useful, since there isn't even that much you can play on him/her.

.... and Feast of Trumpets (this is an Abom deck, oui?).

Clarification ... please?  Thanks and Godbless!
Makes opponent draw. ;)
Title: Re: Advice...Pls?
Post by: TDK on March 05, 2010, 08:38:55 PM
i would switch out striking herod for Fire smoke and sulfur
Title: Re: Advice...Pls?
Post by: RTSmaniac on March 07, 2010, 11:00:37 PM
out:
Peter
Capt
TSA
striking herod

in:
Susanna
Johanna
feast of trumpets (b/c it makes opponent draw)
High Places
Title: Re: Advice...Pls?
Post by: lightningninja on March 07, 2010, 11:09:15 PM
This deck doesn't have time to use A-bom very well, in my opinion, take it out and put in Foolish Advice. All your black evil characters are high numbers so this should win battles. I'd take out one of the greeks therefore for Philistine Armor-Bearer (gets back 12FG), and then take out the other greek for Bringing Fear or Joseph in Prison, whichever you prefer. That should add more firepower for the defense and more stalls.

Also I love the use of the fbtn heroes with battle cry, 'He is risen' and striking herod. Adding Jepthah would give you more heroes to use battle cry on (1 to 1 tends to work 50% of games for some reason  ::)), so I'd put in Jephtah and take out... hm... not sure. Probably the Luke Heroe's fort... it's good but not great.

EDIT: I'd take out Moses and put in John. He negates too (though not enhancements), and Widow alone with two purple enhancements won't often work, and now if one of your purple heroes is discarded, you'll have another and two cards in your deck aren't worthless. ;D
Title: Re: Advice...Pls?
Post by: BubbleBoy on March 07, 2010, 11:13:52 PM
I agree that Abom will take more time to set up than this deck will usually have. I'd either beef up the offense or take it out. You can refer to a recent deck of mine (http://www.cactusgamedesign.com/message_boards/index.php?topic=19635.0) for tips given to me on a similar idea.
Title: Re: Advice...Pls?
Post by: Korunks on March 08, 2010, 07:34:36 AM
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Also I love the use of the fbtn heroes with battle cry, 'He is risen' and striking herod.

I don't understand why this is a good match, won't the FBTN prevent those enhancements from doing anything?
Title: Re: Advice...Pls?
Post by: MrMiYoda on March 08, 2010, 05:36:38 PM
Thank you all, so far, my Redemption family.  I've not yet made my final deck 'repair' and so please keep on with the critiques.

Godbless ALL!
Title: Re: Advice...Pls?
Post by: TDK on March 12, 2010, 08:33:58 AM
i woul take out striking herod for fire smoke and sulfure definately. ;D
Title: Re: Advice...Pls?
Post by: TheKarazyvicePresidentRR on March 12, 2010, 10:52:06 AM
I wouldn't. ITB+d/c> 2 discards.
Title: Re: Advice...Pls?
Post by: BubbleBoy on March 12, 2010, 11:22:11 AM
'Specially with high characters. Also, (7/0)>(1/3) for offense.
Title: Re: Advice...Pls?
Post by: MrMiYoda on March 16, 2010, 09:56:04 PM
Deck revised.

To those who have not seen this thread before, please share your new comments.

To those who have been part of the critique team (who I promise a McDonald's breakfast if you attend Nats):
a.  I haven't really done any changes to my silver offense.  Wrong or right?
b.  I took Hormah out.
c.  I unluckily was being ignored by Widow in practice I had.  I have but Uzzah to be able to enter battle.
b.  Why should I use Feast of Trumpets and High Places?

Thanks and Godbless!!!
Title: Re: Advice...Pls?
Post by: Warrior_Monk on March 16, 2010, 09:57:29 PM
you need to add a Moses if you're going to use that Transfig. I'd take out Battle Cry...
Title: Re: Advice...Pls?
Post by: Professoralstad on March 17, 2010, 04:06:15 PM
Per some suggestions, deck revised 03/16/2010

Critique, please.

Thanks and Godbless!

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Cards in deck: 56
Lost Souls: 7
   Lost Soul (can't be prevented)
   Lost Soul (female only)
   Lost Soul (punisher)
   Lost Soul (site doubler)
   Lost Soul (Speed Bump)
   Lost Soul (Wanderer)
   Lost Souls (2-line)

Lamb Dominants: 5
   Angel of the Lord
   Grapes of Wrath
   Guardian Of Your Souls
   New Jerusalem
   Son of God

Grim Reaper Dominants: 5
   Burial
   Christian Martyr
   Destruction of Nehushtan
   Falling Away
   Mayhem

Fortresses: 3
   House in Bethany
   Philistine Outpost
   The Garden Tomb

Multi-Color Sites: 1
   Dragon Raid

Red Sites: 3
   Babylon
   Babylon
   Babylon

Green Sites: 1
   Babylonian Banquet Hall

Artifacts: 3
   Chariot of Fire
   Gifts of the Magi
   Samaritan Water Jar

Silver Heroes: 2
   Captain of the Host
   The Strong Angel

White Heroes: 2
   Mary the Mother of James
   Salome

Red Heroes: 2
   Peter
   Jepthah

Gold Heroes: 2
   Martha
   The Woman at the Well

Green Heroes: 1
   Hur

Purple Heroes: 2
   Widow
   John

Silver Hero Enhancements: 1
   Striking Herod

White Hero Enhancements: 2
   'He Is Risen'
   Transfiguration (*will take out; replace with ?)

Red Hero Enhancements: 1
   Battle Cry (*planning to take out)

Gold Hero Enhancements: 2
   Deborah's Directive
   Meeting the Messiah

Purple Hero Enhancements: 2
   Authority of Christ
   Reach of Desperation

Black Evil Characters: 3
   Philistine Garrison
   The Twelve-Fingered Giant
   Philistine Armor-Bearer

Brown Evil Characters: 1
   Uzzah

Orange Evil Characters: 1
   King of Tyrus

Black Evil Enhancements: 4
   Joseph in Prison
   Philistine Chariot and Horses
   Foolish Advice
   Bringing Fear

I don't quite understand the point of the sites. If you're not going to do lockout, then the Babylonian sites are probably not very useful. You might stall a few rescues, but since you have nothing to stop even Dragon Raid, they're not going to help.

Which leaves you with two options: Add some anti-access cards, or get rid of the sites for other cards.

If you want to go with the first option: Land Dispute can take out an access site, as can Danites Attack with High Places. Philistine Priests will negate two of the three access arts (Priestly Crown and Covenant with Levi), and he's a sneaky character to have in general for Philistines (he can negate Chariot or Lampstand until your opponent's next turn, which is always nice).

If you go with the second option, Philistine Priests would still be a good idea, as would Fallen Warrior. Both are generic Philstines (for Outpost) and both would be able to block Widow. I would also include a Wall of Protection; that card has gone in nearly every deck I've made, and I'm almost always very thankful it's there. Especially with your TGT heroes. If they can band to those guys, then you might find yourself being ignored as well. Devourer is another very effective black negate as well.

As far as using Feast of Trumpets and High Places, those were really only for when you were using Abom. Feast of Trumpets makes your opponent draw, and High Places allows you to place Abom outside of battle (since Greeks rarely get initiative in battle). Without Abom as a strategy, I wouldn't use either Feast or HP.

As for your silver offense, I don't think Striking Herod will help you too much. It was basically designed to be used with Michael, and while it may win you one FBTN mutual destruction, I'd bet you'll find you rarely use it. I would just as soon use a Gathering of Angels. It might take some time, but if you get it early, you can get some very nice combos going (Jephthah banded to a TGT hero for immediate results of territory destruction? Yes please). 9 times out of 10 TSA/Captain will either win by their own numbers, or lose by a CBN SA.

Anyway, good luck! Hopefully I'll be able to redeem my free McD's breakfast, but we'll have to see.  ;)
Title: Re: Advice...Pls?
Post by: MrMiYoda on March 19, 2010, 02:43:56 PM
Deck revised.  Thanks and Godbless.
Title: Re: Advice...Pls?
Post by: Warrior_Monk on March 19, 2010, 03:39:38 PM
apparently, you missed my post. you have a Transfig in there and no Moses.
Title: Re: Advice...Pls?
Post by: MrMiYoda on March 19, 2010, 04:26:10 PM
apparently, you missed my post. you have a Transfig in there and no Moses.

Yes, thanks for the heads-up.  Got him in now.  Godbless!
Title: Re: Advice...Pls?
Post by: drb1200 on March 20, 2010, 09:19:49 AM
Congratulations!

Deck of the Week (http://redemptionspace.wordpress.com/2010/03/20/deck-of-the-week-3/)
Title: Re: Advice...Pls?
Post by: Prof Underwood on March 20, 2010, 09:23:06 AM
Congratulations!
Deck of the Week (http://redemptionspace.wordpress.com/2010/03/20/deck-of-the-week-3/)
I like this idea.  Picking the best deck posted each week and posting them on your website for others to find good examples.  Please keep this up.
Title: Re: Advice...Pls?
Post by: MrMiYoda on March 20, 2010, 11:24:02 PM
Congratulations!
Deck of the Week (http://redemptionspace.wordpress.com/2010/03/20/deck-of-the-week-3/)
I like this idea.  Picking the best deck posted each week and posting them on your website for others to find good examples.  Please keep this up.

Thanks!  However, I still feel that this deck needs more tweaking especially that I still have difficulty against ultra-speed decks.  I also want it to be prepared for a bit more than speed.

Plus, this deck is a product of a concerted effort amongst generous players who have given their honest critiques.  Thank you, all!

I'm also eager to hear Gabe's input on this thread.

Gabe?

Godbless all!
Title: Re: Advice...Pls?
Post by: lightningninja on March 22, 2010, 09:26:03 PM
I bet most of the reason you lose to speed is because of your type of defense. You have 4 negates and an interrupt+play next... speed decks try to get their cbn enhancements out as fast as possible. Basically, your enhancements are worthless against them. I'd suggest putting in overwhelmed by philistines in for devourer and putting in the cbp (cannot be prevented) ls.
Title: Re: Advice...Pls?
Post by: Michael_of_the_Star on March 22, 2010, 09:50:34 PM
I do suggest to keep the least of multicolor hero as possible, because with new cards and new things to go against multi color, it is really difficult for a speed to work, and if you are doing speed then you shouldn't have speed bumb in your deck, and in your speed deck, you need strong evil characters, you don't need too much enhancement, there are no need for sites, you do need few access sites and I do have you consider put in James, son of Zebedee, so when band to john, both Garden Tomb and House would work side by side. You need to put in Moses and Simeon in so then your speed can join with power. I made a deck similar to it, and the babylons and Babylonian banquet hall would not do so much. Lastly, good enhancement, you should keep transfiguration, put in gabriel meeting zachriah. That way banding will help a lot, and if you can put in King David. Thank you.

Michael Leung
Title: Re: Advice...Pls?
Post by: MrMiYoda on March 22, 2010, 10:39:47 PM
I do suggest to keep the least of multicolor hero as possible, because with new cards and new things to go against multi color, it is really difficult for a speed to work, and if you are doing speed then you shouldn't have speed bumb in your deck, and in your speed deck, you need strong evil characters, you don't need too much enhancement, there are no need for sites, you do need few access sites and I do have you consider put in James, son of Zebedee, so when band to john, both Garden Tomb and House would work side by side. You need to put in Moses and Simeon in so then your speed can join with power. I made a deck similar to it, and the babylons and Babylonian banquet hall would not do so much. Lastly, good enhancement, you should keep transfiguration, put in gabriel meeting zachriah. That way banding will help a lot, and if you can put in King David. Thank you.

Michael Leung

Welcome back, Michael!

Well, it was not my intention to make my offense pure speed.  Any suggestions based on my latest reply?

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Brandon, thanks once more for your suggestions, as well.

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Godbless!
Title: Re: Advice...Pls?
Post by: Michael_of_the_Star on March 22, 2010, 10:54:29 PM
I do suggest to keep the least of multicolor hero as possible, because with new cards and new things to go against multi color, it is really difficult for a speed to work, and if you are doing speed then you shouldn't have speed bumb in your deck, and in your speed deck, you need strong evil characters, you don't need too much enhancement, there are no need for sites, you do need few access sites and I do have you consider put in James, son of Zebedee, so when band to john, both Garden Tomb and House would work side by side. You need to put in Moses and Simeon in so then your speed can join with power. I made a deck similar to it, and the babylons and Babylonian banquet hall would not do so much. Lastly, good enhancement, you should keep transfiguration, put in gabriel meeting zachriah. That way banding will help a lot, and if you can put in King David. Thank you.

Michael Leung

Welcome back, Michael!

Well, it was not my intention to make my offense pure speed.  Any suggestions based on my latest reply?

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Brandon, thanks once more for your suggestions, as well.

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Godbless!

To against a ultra-speed deck, which is pretty possible, especially with the new ruling of only can held 16 cards in hand. Having speed bumb is good, but at the same time, you don't want to have speed neither. Currently, speed is not a good way to play, it may be good for multi still, but the best way is prevent them from drawing, and having mayhem could be a great choice. If you are going to against speed, then you should have defense that would stop any drawing, artifact negater, and strong offense to clean off a defense.
Hope you remember the deck I played you last time, although I beat you, but you should know if I don't get any good cards, I couldn't win, playing some kind of speed is always play by luck. Hope these can help, if I am not making myself clear, please tell me so I can reword it. Any advice please tell me. Thank you.

Michael Leung
Title: Re: Advice...Pls?
Post by: MrMiYoda on March 24, 2010, 06:23:48 PM
Per some suggestions, deck revised 03/24/2010.  Please read the first post.  Critique, please.

Michael, I'll get back to your suggestions soon.  Thanks!

Godbless all.
Title: Re: Advice...Pls? Revision 03/24/2010
Post by: Professoralstad on March 24, 2010, 06:33:44 PM
Per some suggestions, deck revised 03/24/2010.  Critique, please.

To those who have been part of the critique team AND are active participants, I promise a McDonald's breakfast if you attend Nats.

Thanks and Godbless!

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CHANGES:
1.  Took out 'Meeting the Messiah'.
2.  Put in 'Overwhelmed by Philistines'.
3.  Took out 'Jephtah'.
4.  Put in 'Blessings'.

PLANS:
1.  Put in Haman's Plot (idea taken from the all-time most random card splash by Gabe!)
2.  Put in ANB. Not?
3.  Take out my 'red' offense (3 cards).  I plan to beef up offense in another way.  I have been nagged to take out 'Battle Cry'.
4.  Put in 'Land Dispute' ??  It's tempting...even as a splasher.
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Cards in deck: 56
Lost Souls: 7
   Lost Soul (cannot be prevented)
   Lost Soul (female only)
   Lost Soul (punisher)
   Lost Soul (shuffler)
   Lost Soul (revealer)
   Lost Soul (wanderer)
   Lost Souls (2-line)

Lamb Dominants: 5
   Angel of the Lord
   Grapes of Wrath
   Guardian Of Your Souls
   New Jerusalem
   Son of God

Grim Reaper Dominants: 5
   Burial
   Christian Martyr
   Destruction of Nehushtan
   Falling Away
   Mayhem

Fortresses: 4
   House in Bethany
   Philistine Outpost
   The Garden Tomb
   Wall of Protection

Multi-Color Sites: 1
   Dragon Raid

Artifacts: 3
   Chariot of Fire
   Gifts of the Magi
   Samaritan Water Jar

Silver Heroes: 2
   Captain of the Host
   The Strong Angel

White Heroes: 2
   Mary the Mother of James
   Salome

Red Heroes: 1
   Peter

Gold Heroes: 2
   Martha
   The Woman at the Well
   Moses

Green Heroes: 1
   Hur

Purple Heroes: 2
   Widow
   John

White Hero Enhancements: 3
   'He Is Risen'
   Transfiguration
   Blessings

Red Hero Enhancements: 1
   Battle Cry

Gold Hero Enhancements: 1
   Deborah's Directive

Purple Hero Enhancements: 2
   Authority of Christ (promo)
   Reach of Desperation

Black Evil Characters: 5
   Philistine Garrison
   The Twelve-Fingered Giant
   Philistine Armor-Bearer
   Philistine Priests
   Fallen Warrior

Brown Evil Characters: 1
   Uzzah

Orange Evil Characters: 1
   King of Tyrus

Black Evil Enhancements: 6
   Joseph in Prison
   Philistine Chariot and Horses
   Foolish Advice
   Bringing Fear
   Devourer
   Overwhelmed by Philistines

Why did you take out Meeting the Messiah? That should be in any deck that includes even one Gold Luke/John Hero, and you have two (though I'm not sure if you need Martha). I would put that back in and take out Deborah's Directive: only four of your twelve heroes are OT humans, one of them being Moses who negates it, so I don't see it being very helpful. Especially if you do decide to keep Battle CXry, which does the same thing except it can bring in Captain.
Title: Re: Advice...Pls? Revision 03/24/2010
Post by: Warrior_Monk on March 24, 2010, 06:49:17 PM
+1 Prof. Meeting the Messiah is awesome.
Title: Re: Advice...Pls? Revision 03/25/2010
Post by: MrMiYoda on March 25, 2010, 10:21:13 PM
Deck revised 03/25/2010.  Critique, please.

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Thanks Prof U., Ring Wraith.
Title: Re: Advice...Pls? Revision 03/25/2010
Post by: redemption101 on March 26, 2010, 10:14:44 AM
hey some napkin math
I was looking at hurr and wonder if you could just take him out

heres the math 
56-7(ls) = 49 cards to draw
chance to draw hurr 1/49 per card

For him to be usefull you need to draw him first 3 turns
so its (8+3+3+3)= 17
so the chance of you drawing hurr is
34.6%
your chance of drawing Gifts is the same
your chance of drawing both is (.346)*.(346) =12%
10 turns in  you have a 60% chance (38 cards are drawn)

I see that you have 2 cards that would band him in, I won't play percents for this to many variables.  :)

if you took them out you could add
I am healing 
Holy grail

I am healing i see as important becuase of like overwelmed by philistines or you could use blue tassles, just in prevention of  captain geting captured. 

You going to Johns district this weekend?
Title: Re: Advice...Pls? Revision 03/25/2010
Post by: MrMiYoda on March 26, 2010, 02:18:28 PM
Thanks for the input, Dave.  I'll think about your thoughts.  Right now, I've considered Hur and Gifts as splashers although if they can be replaced by better options, why not.

Godbless!
Title: Re: Advice...Pls? Revision 03/25/2010
Post by: Warrior_Monk on March 26, 2010, 02:29:56 PM
hey some napkin math
I was looking at hurr and wonder if you could just take him out

heres the math 
56-7(ls) = 49 cards to draw
chance to draw hurr 1/49 per card

For him to be usefull you need to draw him first 3 turns
so its (8+3+3+3)= 17
so the chance of you drawing hurr is
34.6%
your chance of drawing Gifts is the same
your chance of drawing both is (.346)*.(346) =12%
10 turns in  you have a 60% chance (38 cards are drawn)
same with SoG and NJ, but everybody still plays those.
Title: Re: Advice...Pls? Revision 03/25/2010
Post by: redemption101 on March 26, 2010, 03:31:36 PM
wraith if you want to get technical its the same ratio for all the cards in deck.  Just like in poker the chance of you getting a royal flush is the same as you getting 1 specific junk hand.   The diffrence is once SOG/NJ is pulled you recieve the benifit.  Were as drawing hurr/gifts require much more input for less benfit.   The cost of Hurr/Gifts is 1 rescue attempt, 1 art slot.  For the benifit of 7 cards being drawn.  2 reach of desperations would give you a net of -1 card but have no cost.   Also something to think about is how likely Gifts is going to get don'd.  At some point of the recue attempt or even having the ec killing the art in some way.

So if you wnat similar drawing capabilities First fruits + words (this though is unrealistic as per  your other enhancements)

The best way to find out the benifit of hur+ gifts is play a couple games with it in than with out.   See how game breaking loosing hurr is.
Title: Re: Advice...Pls? Revision 03/25/2010
Post by: D-man on March 26, 2010, 03:33:40 PM
I've always thought Hur/Gifts are excellent inclusions.  Both (at least in this deck!) are somewhat useful on their own, and very strong together.  Hur can be a great hand disruption and LS generation card, and Gifts works with both Meeting the Messiah, Martha, and any drawing cards your opponent may use.  Also, if Hur/Gifts is coupled with AoTL (or a freebie/BC), you can get a second go with it.

Also, the fact that it takes up an artifact slot isn't bad, since there aren't any other artifacts in there that need to be activated more than once or twice.
Title: Re: Advice...Pls? Revision 03/25/2010
Post by: Warrior_Monk on March 26, 2010, 03:40:33 PM
wraith if you want to get technical its the same ratio for all the cards in deck.  Just like in poker the chance of you getting a royal flush is the same as you getting 1 specific junk hand.   The diffrence is once SOG/NJ is pulled you recieve the benifit.  Were as drawing hurr/gifts require much more input for less benfit.   The cost of Hurr/Gifts is 1 rescue attempt, 1 art slot.  For the benifit of 7 cards being drawn.  2 reach of desperations would give you a net of -1 card but have no cost.   Also something to think about is how likely Gifts is going to get don'd.  At some point of the recue attempt or even having the ec killing the art in some way.

So if you wnat similar drawing capabilities First fruits + words (this though is unrealistic as per  your other enhancements)

The best way to find out the benifit of hur+ gifts is play a couple games with it in than with out.   See how game breaking loosing hurr is.
two reaches is A. irrelevant, because in this deck you can't have two, and B. takes up two hand slots. Hur and Gifts don't clog the hand.
if they DoN gifts, great, they just made my other arts invincible. make them regret it. I have never regretted using a Hur and a gifts.
Title: Re: Advice...Pls?
Post by: Gabe on March 29, 2010, 10:11:02 AM
I'm also eager to hear Gabe's input on this thread.

It's always a blessing to help you uncle Roy.  Sorry it's taken a while.  I enjoy deck critiques but I don't have as much time for it as I wish I did.

This deck seems to have evolved quite a bit since it's original posting.  Here's what I would do if I were going to play this deck.

Cards in deck: 50
Lost Souls: 8
  Lost Soul (cannot be prevented) You won't need it
   Lost Soul (female only)
  Lost Soul (punisher) - If your opponent exchanges for this it hurts you big time
   Lost Soul (shuffler)
   Lost Soul (revealer)
   Lost Soul (wanderer)
   Lost Souls (2-line)
Lost Soul (1st Round) - it can buy you a turn and a turn can mean a lot
Lost Soul (NT Only) - really hard for some decks to rescue
Lost Soul (Hopper) - you always want to have a LS to rescue

Lamb Dominants: 6
   Angel of the Lord
   Grapes of Wrath
   Guardian Of Your Souls
   New Jerusalem
   Son of God
+ Harvest Time - you always want to have a LS to rescue

Grim Reaper Dominants: 5
   Burial
   Christian Martyr
   Destruction of Nehushtan
   Falling Away
   Mayhem

Fortresses: 2
  House in Bethany - This just doesn't do enough
   Philistine Outpost
   The Garden Tomb
  Wall of Protection - Although I like this it's a luxury that rarely fits in a 50 card deck

Multi-Color Sites: 1
   Dragon Raid - this is risky to use.  You have a little purple to get into Pergamum.  You can even use Land Dispute to take Pergamum so it doesn't hurt you.  Still, I think your offense is better off with The Ends of the Earth.

Artifacts: 3
  Chariot of Fire - you have plenty of Heroes and none of them are 100% essential to your offense
   Gifts of the Magi
  Samaritan Water Jar - This is nothing more than a fun card way too often in T1.  It can hurt you as much as it helps.
+ Temple Veil - you need more site access that cannot be stolen from you.
+ Holy Grail - Helps TGT and removes difficult humans.  Combos really well with The Woman at the Well.

Silver Heroes: 2
   Captain of the Host
   The Strong Angel

White Heroes: 2
   Mary the Mother of James
   Salome

Red Heroes: 0
  Peter - Nice but only works with TGT which is not your only, or even main, path to victory.  Don't fear Simon the Magician.  You have Grapes, AotL and Holy Grail for him.

Gold Heroes: 3
  Martha - I don't see any way that she helps this deck except to give you another character for MtM
   The Woman at the Well - amazing.  She's a soul searcher and she puts a problem EC in territory where you can HG them before they block.
   Moses
+ Simeon (wa) - Provides a character for MtM, band to your Captain, John and a number of other commonly used prophets.

Green Heroes: 1
   Hur

Purple Heroes: 2
   Widow
   John

Multi Heroes: 1
+ Faithful Servant Promo - can use most of your enhancements and his SA can save the day sometimes.

White Hero Enhancements: 3
   'He Is Risen'
   Transfiguration
  Blessings - this is nice but Consider the Lilies is better
+ Consider the Lilies - let's you search out your HiR and Transfig, then use one of them a 2nd time.

Red Hero Enhancements: 0
  Battle Cry - even if you keep Peter this isn't worth the space it takes up

Gold Hero Enhancements: 1
   Meeting the Messiah  

Purple Hero Enhancements: 2
   Authority of Christ (promo)
   Reach of Desperation

Black Evil Characters: 3
   Philistine Garrison
   The Twelve-Fingered Giant
   Philistine Armor-Bearer
  Philistine Priests - Great for a different style deck but doesn't do much here.
  Fallen Warrior - Great for a different style deck but doesn't do much here.

Brown Evil Characters: 3
   Uzzah
+ Gomer - bands to KoT, opponent's ECs and can use Haman's Plot
+ The Amalekite's Slave - creates a LS to rescue, pulls out your needed EC to block and can use Haman's Plot!

Orange Gold Evil Characters: 1
   King of Tyrus

Black Evil Enhancements: 0
  Joseph in Prison
   Philistine Chariot and Horses
   Foolish Advice
   Devourer
   Overwhelmed by Philistines
   Bringing Fear
- most EE's just get in the way in this style of deck


Brown Evil Enhancements 1
+ Haman's Plot

I think that this is exactly 50 cards which leaves you room to add 1 more if you want to keep your deck legal after you play Haman's Plot.

...I promise a McDonald's breakfast if you attend Nats.

Can I trade in my breakfast for a couple games over RTS some time? :)

Blessings!

Gabe

Title: Re: Advice...Pls? Revision 03/25/2010
Post by: lightningninja on April 01, 2010, 05:31:37 PM
Man... another simple standalone defense... although it's effective I liked the originality. :)
Title: Re: Advice...Pls? Revision 03/25/2010
Post by: Gabe on April 01, 2010, 06:01:21 PM
I'm surprised at the number of people I've seen using stand along defenses this year despite the fact that they're less effective than they used to be.  I guess that just speaks to how good they used to be.

After further though I changed KoT to gold instead of orange so that you have two gold characters vs TGT.
Title: Re: Advice...Pls? Revision 03/25/2010
Post by: MrMiYoda on April 12, 2010, 10:36:36 PM
Deck revised 04/12/2010.  Critique, please.

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Gabe, I have notes for you on the first thread.  Thanks and Godbless!
Title: Re: Advice...Pls? Revision 04/12/2010
Post by: redemption101 on April 13, 2010, 11:02:45 AM
I would almost add sabbath breaker to this deck but i'm pretty sure there are better options out there,

Pros
-Amazing couple with amalakites slave, you don't have many ec that amalakites slave works with so adding one more is benificail, Exspecialy since you defenses is brought out of deck with philly outpost so you won't have any thing to use amalakites slave with,
-D3= the whole point of this deck

Cons
-needs dom support to stop a block
- gomer and Uzzah are both better choices for AMS


A more defense oriented choice would be Unkown nation the only downside is this card only speed up your deck by one card instead of 3
Title: Re: Advice...Pls? Revision 04/12/2010
Post by: Warrior_Monk on April 13, 2010, 03:09:15 PM
Yeah, I have a standalone defense like this and many times I get burned by AMS. I ended up throwing in a Seven Sons and a Sabbath Breaker. I'd definitely recommend adding a Sabbath Breaker as that extra card you need for when you rip the plot.
I don't see how you can easily push this up to 56 and not lose your speed. maybe adding a Words, but I'd keep it at 50.
Title: Re: Advice...Pls? Revision 04/12/2010
Post by: D-man on April 13, 2010, 03:10:45 PM
What is AMS again?
Title: Re: Advice...Pls? Revision 04/12/2010
Post by: Gabe on April 13, 2010, 04:28:04 PM
If you really want to bump it to 56, you should completely reconfigure your defense and add 6 more defensive cards.  I think that would be a mistake but that's only my opinion.
Title: Re: Advice...Pls? Revision 04/12/2010
Post by: BubbleBoy on April 13, 2010, 04:34:05 PM
Wait a minute...Abom is gone now? Wha...? I think that needs to go back in for sure, what with all the forced drawing you already have...
Title: Re: Advice...Pls? Revision 04/12/2010
Post by: Warrior_Monk on April 13, 2010, 04:44:18 PM
What is AMS again?
Ammy Slave.

I agree with Gabe, if you were to put more in, it'd need to be defense...
Wait a minute...Abom is gone now? Wha...? I think that needs to go back in for sure, what with all the forced drawing you already have...
twas taken out with Gabe's instruction.
Title: Re: Advice...Pls?
Post by: BubbleBoy on April 13, 2010, 05:46:09 PM
Wait a minute...Abom is gone now? Wha...? I think that needs to go back in for sure, what with all the forced drawing you already have...
twas taken out with Gabe's instruction.
Well, apparently I agree with him...
I agree that Abom will take more time to set up than this deck will usually have.
Title: Re: Advice...Pls?
Post by: Warrior_Monk on April 13, 2010, 05:56:43 PM
Wait a minute...Abom is gone now? Wha...? I think that needs to go back in for sure, what with all the forced drawing you already have...
twas taken out with Gabe's instruction.
Well, apparently I agree with him...
I agree that Abom will take more time to set up than this deck will usually have.
maybe a month ago...
Title: Re: Advice...Pls? Revision 04/12/2010
Post by: redemption101 on April 13, 2010, 08:01:17 PM
i'm sorry if the part about the unkown nation was confusing.

Roy has made no indication of wanting to bump it up to 56
Thanks again for ring wraith keeping me on track  :)

After ring wraiths comments unkown nation is not worth putting in becuase there is not enough EC to search through deck to pull one out.
Title: Re: Advice...Pls? Revision 04/12/2010
Post by: Warrior_Monk on April 13, 2010, 08:16:11 PM
Roy has made no indication of wanting to bump it up to 56
THINKTANK:
2.  If I insisted on 5 more cards,  does anyone among the 50-card fanatics, including my 'nephew' Gabe, have the ultimate fix that could still be as good as a 50-card deck?
Title: Re: Advice...Pls? Revision 04/12/2010
Post by: redemption101 on April 16, 2010, 02:00:21 PM
for a 56 card deck i would do
Fortresses
Gates of Hell

Crimson Evil Characters: 1
   Seven Sons of Sceva

Brown Evil Characters: 1
   Gomer
Orange Evil Charecters:6
Kot
Potw
wandering spirit
fallen angle
seven wicked spirits
spirit of temptation

Multi-Color Evil Enhancements: 3
   Deafening Spirit (Orange)
   Destructive Sin (Orange)
   Torment
+12 cards
Hold on getting your deck up
Cards in deck: 50
Lost Souls: 8
   Lost Soul (female only)
   Lost Soul (shuffler)
   Lost Soul (revealer)
   Lost Soul (wanderer)
   Lost Souls (2-line)
   Lost Soul (1st Round)
   Lost Soul (NT Only)
   Lost Soul (Hopper)

Lamb Dominants: 6
   Angel of the Lord
   Grapes of Wrath
   Guardian Of Your Souls
   New Jerusalem
   Son of God
   Harvest Time

Grim Reaper Dominants: 5
   Burial
   Christian Martyr
   Destruction of Nehushtan
   Falling Away
   Mayhem

Fortresses: 2
   Philistine Outpost
  The Garden Tomb
  
Multi-Color Sites: 1
   The Ends of the Earth

Artifacts: 3
   Gifts of the Magi
   Temple Veil
   Holy Grail

Silver Heroes: 2
   Captain of the Host
   The Strong Angel

White Heroes: 2
   Mary the Mother of James
   Salome

Gold Heroes: 3
   The Woman at the Well
   Moses
   Simeon (wa)

Green Heroes: 1
   Hur

Purple Heroes: 2
   Widow
   John

Multi Heroes: 1
   Faithful Servant Promo

White Hero Enhancements: 3
   'He Is Risen'
   Transfiguration
   Consider the Lilies

Gold Hero Enhancements: 1
   Meeting the Messiah  

Purple Hero Enhancements: 2
   Authority of Christ (promo)
   Reach of Desperation

Black Evil Characters: 3
   Philistine Garrison
   The Twelve-Fingered Giant
   Philistine Armor-Bearer


Brown Evil Characters: 3
  Uzzah
   Gomer
   The Amalekite's Slave


Orange Gold Evil Characters: 1
   King of Tyrus

Brown Evil Enhancements 1
   Haman's Plot

That new defense is 1 card Over i Had forgot to count Gates when I had posted it,  I would probably take out sprit of temptation to hit 56,

A couple other cards that are nice for a little more defense
Unholy writ
Confusion of the Mind
Uzzah
HP
unfortuanetly to add in more I would have to alter offense to get those in, Though i would say Unholy writ is almost nonegotaible, because it prety much allows another block out of KOt
Title: Re: Advice...Pls? Revision 04/12/2010
Post by: Warrior_Monk on April 16, 2010, 02:02:33 PM
I would add a Bringing Fear, Philistine Priests, Foolish Advice, Wrath (maybe...), and a couple others. haha.
Title: Re: Advice...Pls? Revision 04/12/2010
Post by: adotson85 on April 23, 2010, 02:21:07 AM
Quote
1.  What extra card should I put in place of Haman's Plot when it's used up, to keep my deck legal, thus 51-card total?

I have played with a deck very similar to this one. I feel that the 51st card should be decided on after you play a few games with the deck and see what you are missing. Some cards that come to mind are:

Captured Ark: Gets rid of annoying artifacts. G-Calf, Confusion of Mind or Holy of Holies which can really slow this deck down. Captured ark also helps to get rid of annoying defensive artifacts like Unknown Nation or Unholy Writ.

Confusion of Mind: Can stall out opponent's offense for a couple turns often times or can discard some good enhancements,Destruction or
sometimes even a good dominant.

Lydia: Protected from capture, adds a NT female for He Is Risen and can use purple or white enhancements.

Blessings: Adds some versatility to your white heroes. A FBTN band of Mary the Mother of James with TGT up could be difficult to stop.

Others: King David, Jephthah, A New Beginning, Words of Encouragement

Title: Re: Advice...Pls? Revision 04/12/2010
Post by: Captain Falcon on May 10, 2010, 04:24:48 PM
To be honest, I don't see a whole lot of fire power.  I see transfig, AOCP, HIR and consider the lilies to get one of the two white enhancements back.  Then maybe the Simeon and captain band, which, along with transfig, can be spoiled by grapes.  I would maybe add fellowship: it bands all your NT in, including simeon banded to captain.  Or maybe second seal, as it adds your whole offense, and you got a BIG offense.
 As was aforementioned, Aptured Cark could be pretty good as well, to stop those problem artifacts like Writ or Go Into Captivity.
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