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the idea behind this offence is to discard your hearos to use I Am Holy and then get them back with spy+CoF=Lampstand for protection, then use the banding chain to win.  
offence=14 cards

heros:
heldi
abishi
isrealite archer
ashael
caleb
army of simmeonites
men of judah
centurion at capernicum
centurian at clavery
spy

other cards:
the tabernacle
lampstand of the sancturary
wash basin
I Am Holy

but what about the darkness? if 7 sons is put in there i wont be able to hurt him till he hits battle

centurions negate seven sons.

You should do a lot of heroes with banding/ high numbers and constantly attack and use negates. Using negates is the same thing as making them discard stuff. Eventually, with I Am Holy every turn, they have nothing evil. Just have a strong defense.

i changed it a little again, adding the other centurian and wash basin.  wash basin+AotL at the right time takes care of the orange demon combo by discarding them on the bottom of deck or hittimg them in territory when they use gates.  the only thing i can see stopping this deck from winning (given that the defense holds out and locks them out) is an A-bomb deck.  anyone see any other way to beat this offense?  i know i will take forever, but its a guarenteed win against anything but A-bomb

AotL and Grapes take care of nadab and amon and DoN plus defensive artifact killers can take out any artifacts. multiple artifacts could cause a problem, but not if you play the deck smart

I RA with Micah + Hidden Treasures, play Sword of the Lord, make Garrison fight Philistine Priests, deactivate Lampy, DoN. GG.

I do like this.

Casting Lots, Imprisoned, and Philistine Priests+DoN on CoF makes your life difficult. Herods laugh at this win strategy, Abom will carve it up, and Four Dolla Holla or Simon Zealotes will render the strategy utterly impotent.

Philly Priests needs a side battle (since I'm assuming he's going to deactivate CoF when he doesn't attack with Spy). Imprisoned will be discarded?

Not sure what Four Dolla Holla is, but you're right about Casting Lots, Abom, and Simon.

That'd do it. Although, there are ways around that.

I think the point has been made though that this offense is gimmicky and situational and won't achieve mainstream success because of that.

I think I am Holy can still be a legit part of a larger overall strategy, but I think it goes better with Job or Genesis, two themes that can still be viable even if I am Holy gets shut down somehow.

Quote from: Alex_Olijar on January 04, 2011, 01:41:44 PM

I think the point has been made though that this offense is gimmicky and situational and won't achieve mainstream success because of that.

I think I am Holy can still be a legit part of a larger overall strategy, but I think it goes better with Job or Genesis, two themes that can still be viable even if I am Holy gets shut down somehow.

I meant this particular IaH offense. I don't think IaH can be used as a main strategy. With a Job or Genesis offense, it could definately have some benefits.

ok wall wont i was assuming you were using my characters, but then you have to be using both that offense and that defense and have all those cards in hand, which is very very unlikely.  it will only lose me 1 turn to DoN 4DC, so you're not losing much.  its not meant to be a fast deck or a tourny deck, more of a theoretical deck/offense.  given you have a defense that will hold out forever and your opponent isn't using A-bomb or a deck that is specifically meant to kill this one, this offense will win every time

you would be surprised how well a huge site defense can hold out. I used to have a 30 card  crimson/black site defense that could stop anything and only lost when my brother, who helped me build the deck, build an offnese to specifically counter it.  most offenses today are pretty small, around 20 cards, and they don't have much depth and don't always have a ton in to combat sites (ill probably get torn apart for saying that, but that is how my playgroup usually is)  a giant defence catches people off guard, along with sites and it can be hard to beat.  fishing boat gets around site decks, but phillies have overwhelmed by philisties and goliaths armor, plus using darius decree and wrath, you can put a huge dent in a disciples offense.  Also, this is a theroretical offense.  i dont play to ever build or use it, but just try to build a perfect, yet very impractical offense.  I had 3 of these offenses before Grapes and darius decree came out, so i decided to try again i think this works (except againt A-bomb, theres no way arond that without putting in 10 cards just to combat that 1 less-used strategy)