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Redemption® Collectible Trading Card Game HQ => Redemption® Resources and Thinktank => Strategies and Combos => Topic started by: The M on June 16, 2011, 08:36:43 AM
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A) Yes
B) No
C) A little, maybe the NT sites or Babs
D) A lot, with NT sites or Babs
E) Not until the next set
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E) not until next set
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A) Yes
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If you're playing against anything other than disciples, than yes. I still think it's site stall though, instead of site lockout with all the ways you can create ls's.
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In and of itself it is not a viable defense. Combined with anything else it is a stall at best. Everyone who plays compeditively will include site access in one form or another.
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In type 2 it is still viable. Heretics can stall for days on end, add in phillys with land disputex5 and you are in business.
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A) Yes
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No. It's just too easy to get into a site. It's a stall at best.
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Did a mod create the poll, or does Schaef let us make them now?
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I created it.
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The optimism in this thread is fairly astounding.
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If you try to use a completely random style of sitelock, it might work against anything except disciples.
Silver sites are actually pretty effective for early game stalling.
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unless your playing against a new player because they love silver- then you should beat them because they are new, right?
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unless your playing against a new player because they love silver- then you should beat them because they are new, right?
Not as often as one may think.
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Martin says yes. :-*
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B) No
Fishing Boat is just too powerful.
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thats exactly the reason i added e... ;)
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Martin says yes. :-*
Hahahahahaha because an RLK beat you with a site-lock.
For the people who say yes, why?
I've gotten some reasons about stall but is lock still usable in a tournament?
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Martin says yes. :-*
Hahahahahaha because an RLK beat you with a site-lock.
For the people who say yes, why?
I've gotten some reasons about stall but is lock still usable in a tournament?
I would disagree that Neal is an RLK...he beat Jonathan, Martin, and Josh in succession. I'd say he's for real.
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Martin says yes. :-*
Hahahahahaha because an RLK beat you with a site-lock.
For the people who say yes, why?
I've gotten some reasons about stall but is lock still usable in a tournament?
I would disagree that Neal is an RLK...he beat Jonathan, Martin, and Josh in succession. I'd say he's for real.
I've played him over 10 times with him using the same deck and never lost.
And if I can beat someone they're definitely a noob. (or I got extremely lucky.)
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then beat Josh or Martin to prove that you are better than him
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Martin says yes. :-*
Hahahahahaha because an RLK beat you with a site-lock.
For the people who say yes, why?
I've gotten some reasons about stall but is lock still usable in a tournament?
I would disagree that Neal is an RLK...he beat Jonathan, Martin, and Josh in succession. I'd say he's for real.
Yeah we know that is just the running joke. I will never let martin forget it ;)
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For everyone voting E...wut?
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I have to say.... option E really makes no sense whatsoever. If anything, sitelock is gonna die a brutal death when the next one comes out. O_o
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Exactly. Sure, the silver bullet for Sitelock will lose some of its shine, but have you seen the rest of the set?
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Let's keep in mind that 95% of us haven't seen 99.16% of the new set.
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I'm obviously not talking to that group. If you haven't seen the set you shouldn't be voting E.
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I have to say.... option E really makes no sense whatsoever. If anything, sitelock is gonna die a brutal death when the next one comes out. O_o
well lets see. a previously and COMPLETELY unchecked anti-site card with no counters WHATSOEVER now receives hard counters. this doesnt make sense to you? this doesnt make sitelock at the very least 'viable' again? ooooook.
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I have to say.... option E really makes no sense whatsoever. If anything, sitelock is gonna die a brutal death when the next one comes out. O_o
well lets see. a previously and COMPLETELY unchecked anti-site card with no counters WHATSOEVER now receives hard counters. this doesnt make sense to you? this doesnt make sitelock at the very least 'viable' again? ooooook.
What hard counters? Those don't exsist in ccgs. Pol is right, don't vote e if you haven't seen the set.
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From the rumors we've heard, something's hitting FB. So that would make Site Lock more viable.
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I have to say.... option E really makes no sense whatsoever. If anything, sitelock is gonna die a brutal death when the next one comes out. O_o
well lets see. a previously and COMPLETELY unchecked anti-site card with no counters WHATSOEVER now receives hard counters. this doesnt make sense to you? this doesnt make sitelock at the very least 'viable' again? ooooook.
What hard counters? Those don't exsist in ccgs. Pol is right, don't vote e if you haven't seen the set.
falling away: hard counter. goys: hard counter. destruction of nehushtan: hard counter. holy of holies: hard counter. fishing boat: hard counter. yes, there absolutely are hard counters (as well as soft counters) in ccg's.
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That was a poor use of sarcasm by me, I meant to disagree with you and say boat isn't getting hard counters.
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Maybe ya all can clear something up. Thad is the fear of most. In order for them to have access, they have to spend two battle phases with a somewhat weaker Thad. Also, if Naz is out, they would not get a chance to get the deciple out from bottom as quickly. Also, to have constant site access (I.e. every turn), you would have to put multiple deciples into FB, which weakens Thad even more. That all sounds good to me. What am I missing?
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Disciples can use more than Thad to attack. Phil/Bart is potent in T1, and doesn't require support.
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alot of players agree phil/bart will get you more rescues than thad does, especially since they're good early game.
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also, the entire concept of sitelock is to make it so they can never access the souls. Fishing boat means that they will always have the ability to gain access, and you cant really do much about it.
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I wonder if there is something that takes care of Fishing Boat... ::)
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I wonder if there is something that takes care of Fishing Boat... ::)
Currently, there's only ANB.
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I wonder if there is something that takes care of Fishing Boat... ::)
Currently, there's only ANB.
Confusion / Murmuring if they haven't drawn it too.
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I wonder if there is something that takes care of Fishing Boat... ::)
Currently, there's only ANB.
Confusion / Murmuring if they haven't drawn it too.
Interestingly enough, they are both hardcountered by Nazareth.
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Use green david and ht to play united kingdom to band in et and centurion at capernam and then play visions to use them in a side battle.
Also ittai and some green weapon and anb maybe.
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Darius' Decree is a nice counter as well.
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Use green david and ht to play united kingdom to band in jacob to cherubim to et and israelite archer to centurion at capernam and then play visions to use them in a side battle.
Also ittai and some green weapon and anb maybe.
Fix'd to make it possible.
United Kingdom
Type: Hero Enh. • Brigade: Purple • Ability: None • Class: None • Special Ability: Interrupt each Wall of Protection and band any number of O.T. human Heroes into battle. Cannot be negated if used by David. • Identifiers: OT, Connected with David • Verse: II Samuel 5:3 • Availability: Priests booster packs (Common)
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I think battlecry has his name in the verse, if so he can use that.
I know he can use like 3 massbands.
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Use green david and ht to play Unity in Christ to band in et and centurion at capernam and then play visions to use them in a side battle.
Also ittai and some green weapon and anb maybe.
Fixed to make it possible with fewer cards than the Prof's example :P
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Site lock as a LOCK is not viable, but using sites as a stall strategy is very viable. Sites can easily give you several turns to set up your defense and offense.
IF you can confusion out an opponents fishing boat than a well built site lock does still have a chance of locking out ANY deck.
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yes: players with a weak defense, new players, and players NOT using disciples. I agree its called "Site Stall" now a days.
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Martin says yes. :-*
Hahaha Nathan ;)
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After PA states, I want to change my vote. Site lock is possible if you're prepared for disciples.
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After PA states, I want to change my vote. Site lock is possible if you're prepared for disciples.
There's no way to lock disciples with sites, therefore sitelock is dead. Having a normal defense with a side of sitelock is different.
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After PA states, I want to change my vote. Site lock is possible if you're prepared for disciples.
And people don't pack redundant site access. I once played a deck with NJ(site), a Promised Land, and an Ends of the Earth.
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You can sitelock disciples if you remove all their heroes from the game.
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You can sitelock disciples if you remove all their heroes from the game.
Actually you would only need to remove all but one ;)
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You can sitelock disciples if you remove all their heroes from the game.
Um, isn't any defense that removes all of an opponent's heroes from the game a "viable" one? Care to explain how you remove 10+ heroes from the game?
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mask of wordliness./levithan/siege/Korah's rebellion. *HEADSHOT*
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mask of wordliness./levithan/siege/Korah's rebellion. *HEADSHOT*
The implication was defenses that actually work.
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low numbered brown evil character/siege/Korah's rebellion. *HEADSHOT*
FTFY
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You can sitelock disciples if you remove all their heroes from the game.
Actually you would only need to remove all but one ;)
They could draw it after placing it to the bottom with Mayhem or something. Or use Holy Grail. And I need to remove all Disciples, not heroes.
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Thad...
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didnt a recent tournament winning deck lock out disciples? usual site-lock tech plus goliaths armor recursion will lock out all disciples except 2 of them, 1 of which alot of people do not use, the other of which has no support in a disciples deck.
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You can sitelock disciples if you remove all their heroes from the game.
Actually you would only need to remove all but one ;)
They could draw it after placing it to the bottom with Mayhem or something. Or use Holy Grail. And I need to remove all Disciples, not heroes.
Goliath is gosu. Get them down to one hero and you win.
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A) Yes
Though di decks make site lock a lot less valuable
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A) Yes
Though di decks make site lock a lot less valuable
No semi-necroposting please.