Author Topic: # of negates? (Read 8159 times)

TheKarazyvicePresidentRR · « **on:** February 15, 2010, 04:24:15 PM »

I am currently trying to figure out which brigade has the most negates (That don't require a specific person to use them. I'm looking at you The battle is the Lord's. Tell me if I missed any (this list includes ITB d/c enhancements)

Blue:
Sign of the R
Ehud's Dagger
Abes serve
Book of jashar(maybe)
Cov with noah

Red:
Holy ground
Counsel of abigail

Green:
Trust in the Lord
Ben Snatches a spear
Swords into Plowshares

White:
Blessings
Burning Bush
Undefiled(OT requirement but thats a little less than WC only)

Purple:
5 smooth stones

Silver:
Flaming sword

Gold:
Plague of Hail
Bow and Arrow

Teal:
Scapegoat

Prof Underwood · « **Reply #1 on:** February 15, 2010, 05:22:58 PM »

Depending on your reason for this project you might also want to include cards that interrupt and then do something else that would stop the previous enhancement like kill the character who played it (ie. Striking Herod) or give protection (ie. Protection of Angels).

You also might want to include cards that interrupt and play next, which would also allow you to do things to stop the last enhancement (ie. Swift Beings).

In your list, it looks like Silver only has 1 negate card. But if you count the above 3 examples, there are at least 4.

Gabe · « **Reply #2 on:** February 15, 2010, 08:16:06 PM »

From your list I assume you only want good brigades?

Quote from: TheKarazyvicePresidentRR on February 15, 2010, 04:24:15 PM

Book of jashar(maybe)

You'll include something this situational but not The battle is the Lords?

Quote from: TheKarazyvicePresidentRR on February 15, 2010, 04:24:15 PM

Gold:
Plague of Hail
Bow and Arrow

Ehud's Dagger (RoA) is an interrupt + discard

TheKarazyvicePresidentRR · « **Reply #3 on:** February 15, 2010, 09:50:06 PM »

Quote from: BrianGabe on February 15, 2010, 08:16:06 PM

From your list I assume you only want good brigades?

Quote from: TheKarazyvicePresidentRR on February 15, 2010, 04:24:15 PM
Book of jashar(maybe)

You'll include something this situational but not The battle is the Lords?

Quote from: TheKarazyvicePresidentRR on February 15, 2010, 04:24:15 PM
Gold:
Plague of Hail
Bow and Arrow

Ehud's Dagger (RoA) is an interrupt + discard

DOH! and yes, because I lack a S.a.less WC hero.

Quote from: Prof Underwood on February 15, 2010, 05:22:58 PM

Depending on your reason for this project you might also want to include cards that interrupt and then do something else that would stop the previous enhancement like kill the character who played it (ie. Striking Herod) or give protection (ie. Protection of Angels).

You also might want to include cards that interrupt and play next, which would also allow you to do things to stop the last enhancement (ie. Swift Beings).

In your list, it looks like Silver only has 1 negate card. But if you count the above 3 examples, there are at least 4.

Basically I want to make another WONL deck, but am unsure which brigades to use.

Minister Polarius · « **Reply #4 on:** February 15, 2010, 09:52:33 PM »

Definitely Gold. It has 3 Negates (one of which is CBN on a Judge and can also be a battle-winner), no-SA Heroes who are actually useful for other stuff (Judge's Seat), someone who searches for Windows, and Luke Heroes with no SA who can use CBN battle-winners.

TheKarazyvicePresidentRR · « **Reply #5 on:** February 15, 2010, 10:08:04 PM »

Who searches for windows?

Alex_Olijar · « **Reply #6 on:** February 15, 2010, 10:14:17 PM »

TheKarazyvicePresidentRR · « **Reply #7 on:** February 15, 2010, 10:29:48 PM »

/facepalm Howed I forget he was in gold?

Sean · « **Reply #8 on:** February 15, 2010, 11:00:51 PM »

Windows is not a Tabernacle Artifact. Only Blue Eli can search for it.

TheKarazyvicePresidentRR · « **Reply #9 on:** February 16, 2010, 12:22:12 AM »

Quote from: Sean on February 15, 2010, 11:00:51 PM

Windows is not a Tabernacle Artifact. Only Blue Eli can search for it.

I knew I wasn't going crazy!

lightningninja · « **Reply #10 on:** February 16, 2010, 12:28:01 AM »

White NT females also has words of encouragement, and he is risen.

TheKarazyvicePresidentRR · « **Reply #11 on:** February 16, 2010, 12:31:01 AM »

Quote from: lightningninja on February 16, 2010, 12:28:01 AM

White NT females also has words of encouragement, and he is risen.

(curiosity sake) Any of them lack a sa?

lightningninja · « **Reply #12 on:** February 16, 2010, 12:32:58 AM »

Quote from: TheKarazyvicePresidentRR on February 16, 2010, 12:31:01 AM

Quote from: lightningninja on February 16, 2010, 12:28:01 AM
White NT females also has words of encouragement, and he is risen.
(curiosity sake) Any of them lack a sa?

I think they have one... but words of encouragement is with anyone. In addition, as it adds an NT angel to the battle, there are a LOT of no special ability NT angels.

Then you can play striking herod and flaming sword.

ChristianSoldier · « **Reply #13 on:** February 16, 2010, 12:59:16 AM »

Teal has Zeal for the Lord and Jordan interrupted, Silver has Striking Herod, Swift Beings and Protection of Angels (Consuming fire is a prevent all that you can play before battle), White has Cymbals of the Levites, Words of Encouragement and "He is Risen" (with any NT females it works, they don't have to be in battle), Gold has Ehud's Dagger, Red has Walking on Water (for NT as much as Protection of Angels is a negate), I did repeat a few that have been said.

Gabe · « **Reply #14 on:** February 16, 2010, 07:01:28 AM »

Here's a list of all the no SA Heroes if it helps you.

Blue
Bartholomew (Nathaniel)
Sarah
Shepherd
Jonah
Mark
Anna
Syntyche
Seth
Zephaniah
Helez
Barnabas
Hannah
Mark 4/4
Rebekah
Silas
Demetrius
Gold
Moses
Gaius
Matthias
Archippus
Simeon
Huldah
Gideon
Samson
Prochorus
Naomi
Shammah
Deborah
Othniel
Samuel
Leah
Green
James son of Alphaeus
The Watchman
Isaiah
Cornelius
Eleazar
Abel
Faithful Servant 6/5
Amos
Rachel
Zechariah
Euodia
Agabus
Martha
Cornelius
Faithful Servant 4/4
Miriam
Philemon
Purple
King Saul
King Saul W-class
Saint of Virtue
Stephen
Elisha
Ezekiel
Esther
Jonathan
Habakkuk
Bathsheba
John
Hosea
Red
Philip
Jude
Andrew
Centurion
Malachi
Adino
Joab
Shamgar
Uriah
Christian Soldier
Gad
Asahel 5/4
Asahel 4/4
Christian Soldier
Hushai
Mighty Warrior 4/4
Silver
Reassuring Angel
Angel of Revelation
Guiding Angel
Strengthening Angel
Attending Angel
Angel of Warning
White
Thaddaeus
Jeremiah
John the Baptist
Daniel
Mary 6/7
Mary 6/6
Ruth 6/4
Philip's Daughters
Ruth 4/4

Prof Underwood · « **Reply #15 on:** February 16, 2010, 10:18:11 AM »

But how many actually are useful?

Quote from: BrianGabe on February 16, 2010, 07:01:28 AM

Here's a list of all the no SA Heroes if it helps you.

Blue
Sarah (useful with Genesis offenses to make Simeon work)
Rebekah (useful with Genesis offenses to make Simeon work)
Gold
Deborah (useful with Judges seat to discard ECs)
Samuel (useful with Judges seat to discard ECs)

Green
None really that seem useful

Purple
Elisha (having him in play shuts down some cards)

Red
Gad (some people turn him into Super Gad and base an offense on him)

Silver
(All of these can work for the discarding into Chamber of Angels cycle)

White
None really that seem useful

TheKarazyvicePresidentRR · « **Reply #16 on:** February 16, 2010, 10:28:10 AM »

Barth is actually quite good with WONL+Wool fleece.

Korunks · « **Reply #17 on:** February 16, 2010, 10:34:40 AM »

What is WONL?

Crashfach2002 · « **Reply #18 on:** February 16, 2010, 10:47:59 AM »

I know some of these cards aren't as useful without other non-special ability cards, but a few you left off Prof.

Othneil is also a 4/4 judge
Agabus, Isaiah, Miriam & Zechariah are prophets and can use Hidden Treasures
John can use TGT (for those of you who don't hate it!

)

Professoralstad · « **Reply #19 on:** February 16, 2010, 10:51:08 AM »

Quote from: Korunks on February 16, 2010, 10:34:40 AM

What is WONL?

Windows of Narrow Light

BubbleBoy · « **Reply #20 on:** February 16, 2010, 10:59:55 AM »

Quote from: Prof Underwood on February 16, 2010, 10:18:11 AM

But how many actually are useful?
Quote from: BrianGabe on February 16, 2010, 07:01:28 AM
Here's a list of all the no SA Heroes if it helps you.

Blue
Sarah (useful with Genesis offenses to make Simeon work)
Rebekah (useful with Genesis offenses to make Simeon work)
Gold
Deborah (useful with Judges seat to discard ECs)
Samuel (useful with Judges seat to discard ECs)

Green
None really that seem useful

Purple
Elisha (having him in play shuts down some cards)

Red
Gad (some people turn him into Super Gad and base an offense on him)

Silver
(All of these can work for the discarding into Chamber of Angels cycle)

White
None really that seem useful

For Genesis, you should keep in mind that Seth is also a non-SA hero, although he isn't female. For Gold, as Crash mentioned, you forgot Othniel. Samson can be useful for Samson's Sacrifice NoN and Jawbone purposes. You also forgot to mention that Eli could band to Samuel. For green, Agabus is useful as a NT prophet, Miriam as a female, and Isaiah for a few things, the most useful possibly being a CBN SiP. There are also many non-SA prophets to use prophets-only enhancements and HT. For purple, I might put King Saul in there, as he is a 10/10 WC good king, which can be quite useful. Also, Elijah can band to Elisha, and John is useful as a TGT hero. Remember that Red also has a few NT non-SA heroes for using Walking on Water. Daniel may be included as a useful white non-SA hero, if you are using the Daniel band. (True, it's probably more useful to have an angel at the end of that band, but...)

stefferweffer · « **Reply #21 on:** February 18, 2010, 05:04:49 PM »

If going single color Windows of Narrow Light, blue is pretty good, for all the negates, pretty big numbers, and ability to search for WONL, as mentioned. Sarah being a big numbered offense feamle hero is good too. Blue Splash across old and new testaments would be my single color choice. In my WONL deck though I just picked the biggest heroes I could find across all colors, added Wool Fleece, and all the big number Rainbow Enhancements. But I like your negate idea too. Gold is a good second choice, in my opinion.

Deck Metrics · « **Reply #22 on:** February 28, 2010, 12:42:42 PM »

Quote from: TheKarazyvicePresidentRR on February 15, 2010, 04:24:15 PM

I am currently trying to figure out which brigade has the most negates (That don't require a specific person to use them. I'm looking at you The battle is the Lord's. Tell me if I missed any (this list includes ITB d/c enhancements)

Blue:
Sign of the R
Ehud's Dagger
Abes serve
Book of jashar(maybe)
Cov with noah

Red:
Holy ground
Counsel of abigail

Green:
Trust in the Lord
Ben Snatches a spear
Swords into Plowshares

White:
Blessings
Burning Bush
Undefiled(OT requirement but thats a little less than WC only)

Purple:
5 smooth stones

Silver:
Flaming sword

Gold:
Plague of Hail
Bow and Arrow

Teal:
Scapegoat

If this helps, Blue: Abraham's Servant to Ur.

disciple_drew · « **Reply #23 on:** June 06, 2010, 08:24:40 AM »

Quote from: TheKarazyvicePresidentRR on February 15, 2010, 04:24:15 PM

I am currently trying to figure out which brigade has the most negates (That don't require a specific person to use them. I'm looking at you The battle is the Lord's. Tell me if I missed any (this list includes ITB d/c enhancements)

Blue:
Sign of the R
Ehud's Dagger
Abes serve
Book of jashar(maybe)
Cov with noah

Red:
Holy ground
Counsel of abigail

Green:
Trust in the Lord
Ben Snatches a spear
Swords into Plowshares

White:
Blessings
Burning Bush
Undefiled(OT requirement but thats a little less than WC only)

Purple:
5 smooth stones

Silver:
Flaming sword

Gold:
Plague of Hail
Bow and Arrow

Teal:
Scapegoat

What about the evil brigades? Which evil colors have the most negates?

Isildur · « **Reply #24 on:** June 06, 2010, 04:28:55 PM »

I saw some mention of a super Gad? Ive never seen one of those decks before... how would it work?

The Schaef · « **Reply #25 on:** June 06, 2010, 05:03:17 PM »

I think "usefulness" is kind of subjective. Hidden Treasures, for example, boosts the usefulness of a number of SA-less green prophets.

DDiceRC · « **Reply #26 on:** June 06, 2010, 06:52:34 PM »

Quote from: Isildur on June 06, 2010, 04:28:55 PM

I saw some mention of a super Gad? Ive never seen one of those decks before... how would it work?

Anything that could make Gad, the official hero of Redemption NJ, useful outside of Retro (where he's an initiative monster) piques my interest.

robm · « **Reply #27 on:** June 06, 2010, 08:24:07 PM »

you can always add another no sa hero by creating your own hero at nats, 4/4 hero with no sa not a bad idea?

TheKarazyvicePresidentRR · « **Reply #28 on:** June 07, 2010, 12:29:19 AM »

Quote from: DDiceRC on June 06, 2010, 06:52:34 PM

Quote from: Isildur on June 06, 2010, 04:28:55 PM
I saw some mention of a super Gad? Ive never seen one of those decks before... how would it work?

Anything that could make Gad, the official hero of Redemption NJ, useful outside of Retro (where he's an initiative monster) piques my interest.

Step one. Set Gad Aside with passover preparations. When he comes back use chemosh to make im 6/1. Tada, you have a CBN 6/1 hero in the brigade that has the most battle winners.

Minister Polarius · « **Reply #29 on:** June 07, 2010, 04:00:49 PM »

Except that if you throw Training in Righteousness in there, he can wreck face all by himself.

TheKarazyvicePresidentRR · « **Reply #30 on:** June 07, 2010, 05:01:29 PM »

True but that takes 7 turns.

disciple_drew · « **Reply #31 on:** June 07, 2010, 05:15:07 PM »

Could someone actually answer my question about the evil brigade negates?

Minister Polarius · « **Reply #32 on:** June 07, 2010, 07:24:28 PM »

Black:
Blemished Sacrifices (Negates enhancements used by Priests)
Breaking the Covenant (Negates Covenants and can be used with High Places)
Bringing Fear
Denying Blame
Devourer
Flight (Negates good Banding)
Foolish Advice
Joseph in Prison (Interrupt and Remove)

disciple_drew · « **Reply #33 on:** June 08, 2010, 06:15:37 PM »

Quote from: Minister Polarius on June 07, 2010, 07:24:28 PM

Black:
Blemished Sacrifices (Negates enhancements used by Priests)
Breaking the Covenant (Negates Covenants and can be used with High Places)
Bringing Fear
Denying Blame
Devourer
Flight (Negates good Banding)
Foolish Advice
Joseph in Prison (Interrupt and Remove)

Thank you, that's black brigade... any others?

Minister Polarius · « **Reply #34 on:** June 08, 2010, 06:18:46 PM »

Black has the most. If you want to know the others, there are abundant resources for looking it up yourself.

Master_Chi · « **Reply #35 on:** June 30, 2010, 05:02:25 PM »

Quote from: Prof Underwood on February 15, 2010, 05:22:58 PM

In your list, it looks like Silver only has 1 negate card. But if you count the above 3 examples, there are at least 4.

Since my early obsession with obtaining or at least owning EVERY silver brigade card at one time or another (which, I am proud to announce, I have actually accomplished), I am quite knowledgeable on this.

There are plenty of silver negates and CBN's, both characters and HE's.
Michael (all 3 enhancements used CBN, though WA's Mike CBN/P/I/R)
Eli (though only WCE)
TSA (both, KI is only WCC/E, WA is int/prev on all)
Cappy (same as TSA)

So, using these characters, pretty much any silver enhancement CBN.

As far as JUST enhancements go.....

First Seal (CBI/N, but can be prevented)
Third Seal (CBN/P, but can be interrupted)
Spiritual Beings (though circumstantial, CBP)
Bound (only interrupts, but can rid enhancement)
Swift Beings (int/PNE)
Angel's Sword (circumstantial, CBN with right Hero)
Victory (circumstantial, CBN)
3A's (CBI/P circumstantial)
Mike's Sword (negates immunity, CBN with right Hero)
A(rmy)oTL (CBN w/ Cappy)
Flaming Sword
Glad Tidings (poison only)
Protection/Angels (harm/effect)
Wings (protects capture, poison, disease)
Striking Herod

Master_Chi · « **Reply #36 on:** July 02, 2010, 02:13:09 PM »

Quote from: TheKarazyvicePresidentRR on June 07, 2010, 12:29:19 AM

Quote from: DDiceRC on June 06, 2010, 06:52:34 PM
Quote from: Isildur on June 06, 2010, 04:28:55 PM
I saw some mention of a super Gad? Ive never seen one of those decks before... how would it work?

Anything that could make Gad, the official hero of Redemption NJ, useful outside of Retro (where he's an initiative monster) piques my interest.
Step one. Set Gad Aside with passover preparations. When he comes back use chemosh to make im 6/1. Tada, you have a CBN 6/1 hero in the brigade that has the most battle winners.

Except for this one card I saw one time entitled CHRISTIAN MARTYR..... -_-

TheKarazyvicePresidentRR · « **Reply #37 on:** July 02, 2010, 02:34:11 PM »

Brass serpant. 'Nuff said.

Master_Chi · « **Reply #38 on:** July 02, 2010, 02:39:53 PM »

Quote from: TheKarazyvicePresidentRR on July 02, 2010, 02:34:11 PM

Brass serpant. 'Nuff said.

Um........ Irrelevant much?

TheKarazyvicePresidentRR · « **Reply #39 on:** July 02, 2010, 02:42:28 PM »

Quote from: Master_Chi on July 02, 2010, 02:39:53 PM

Quote from: TheKarazyvicePresidentRR on July 02, 2010, 02:34:11 PM
Brass serpant. 'Nuff said.

Um........ relevant much?

Fixed. (You can heal Gad so he stays with his CBN goodness)

Master_Chi · « **Reply #40 on:** July 02, 2010, 02:46:36 PM »

Quote from: TheKarazyvicePresidentRR on July 02, 2010, 02:42:28 PM

Quote from: Master_Chi on July 02, 2010, 02:39:53 PM
Quote from: TheKarazyvicePresidentRR on July 02, 2010, 02:34:11 PM
Brass serpant. 'Nuff said.
Um........ relevant much?
Fixed. (You can heal Gad so he stays with his CBN goodness)

I don't think that helps with him being discarded.... Just if he has PoD or some other disease card.

TheKarazyvicePresidentRR · « **Reply #41 on:** July 02, 2010, 02:50:57 PM »

The Multicolor promo does.

Master_Chi · « **Reply #42 on:** July 02, 2010, 03:08:06 PM »

Quote from: TheKarazyvicePresidentRR on July 02, 2010, 02:50:57 PM

The Multicolor promo does.

Brass Serpent
0/0 Multi
SA: Discard all poisons and diseases in play. Heal all Heroes not at full strength.

How does this protect against a dominant?

TheKarazyvicePresidentRR · « **Reply #43 on:** July 02, 2010, 05:15:30 PM »

It does NOT protect. It heals.

TheJaylor · « **Reply #44 on:** July 02, 2010, 05:41:53 PM »

on Wednesday night I was at a game night and someone played Haman's plot and then Christian Martyr and then the other person played Brass Serpent and then we all started laughing.

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Author Topic: # of negates? (Read 8159 times)

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