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How does the NT only have any value right now? It stops Judges and OT FBTN. The rest of the upper level decks are using NT heros. Son of God still negates it.
Just to clear up, our article did keep in mind the future of the game not the past. The tiers were not intended to say what was played but what will be played moving forward, sorry if that is unclear. How is retribution is subpar when you consider U&T the best non-Dom card in the game and say every deck should use it. You also seem to like Vp, Sorrow of Mary and guidance for the look at hand abilities. I think you'll find its outstanding in play. (I may be wrong though.)How does the NT only have any value right now? It stops Judges and OT FBTN. The rest of the upper level decks are using NT heros. Son of God still negates it. The only way I see it being that valuable is if your running NT, woman only, */4, and 3/2-liner to try and limit what SoG/NJ can save. I think you can get way better value not playing the protect souls.
Quote from: jbeers285 on May 14, 2015, 12:51:38 PMHow does the NT only have any value right now? It stops Judges and OT FBTN. The rest of the upper level decks are using NT heros. Son of God still negates it.It looks like you're basing its value based on what you expect in the top cut at Nationals. In my experience, at lower level tournaments and even in early rounds at Nats, you'll face plenty of decks that don't fit that mold.
Perhaps I need to reconsider the liner for myself, most people tend to be on the opposite side of where I am on it. Don't get me wrong its good I just never use it unless I am running DoU, SSS, just a hireling, burial. I don't play a whole lot with any of those.
Why would you not play it in a bomb?
2-Line is the better soul in two person categories, and so at the very least they should be on the same tier level, and really, the fact that 2-Line is better really ought to be reflected in the tiers.
Reveal statisticly gets your opponent to their dom's faster.
Those threats you've mentioned almost all point to retribution being a great lost soul. For Westy 1. Remeber we are talking about a lost soul ability not a character, not a territory class enhancement, a lost soul.2. Your forgetting how much protection is being played right now. Retribution by default has hit Herod's Temple for me on 2 occasion I can think and a throne of David once.3. It is but the fact that a lost soul in my deck horses my opponent to think about what he will play is good for me. 4. and 5. Even if it's ability never happens it became one more obstacle for my opponent, and it's a lost soul. Remeber I am not comparing these to other cards in the game just lost souls. Remeber that 12 Hero's is not currently running the meta, Balance is and 8-10 heros tends to be the number.
Perhaps I shouldn't use such strong language. I just don't want Josiah swaying young and weaker players (like he has The Guardian) to include it in all of their decks. It's not awful, but it's certainly not Tier 1. Tier 3 at best.
It allows you the opportunity to rescue half of it if your half-rescued Liner somehow ends up in your opponent's LoB (via Nebushasban for instance). This was a much bigger deal before the rule change that disallowed Lost Souls to be rescued from your own territory (and honestly, the strong wording I used in my previous post was a product of my still sort of being in that mindset),
but I would still play 2-Liners before 3-Liners in 2P categories.
Quote but I would still play 2-Liners before 3-Liners in 2P categories.In 2P categories, I would really only care one way or another if I were playing cards that would allow me to move the Souls into an opponent's territory.
Quote from: EmJayBee83 on May 15, 2015, 07:13:03 AMQuote but I would still play 2-Liners before 3-Liners in 2P categories.In 2P categories, I would really only care one way or another if I were playing cards that would allow me to move the Souls into an opponent's territory.Wanderer's a pretty common card for your opponent to play, but its still unlikely to matter. I use a 2-liner, just because I don't actually own a 3-liner (something that has hurt me in Teams before).