Author Topic: Any good ec recursion besides Philistines & Sadducees? (Read 8848 times)

Deck Metrics · « **on:** November 26, 2010, 01:24:50 PM »

I know Philistines & Sadducees have good recursion, are there really any other options besides that?

Minister Polarius · « **Reply #1 on:** November 26, 2010, 01:33:30 PM »

Any N.T. Generic can be easily recurred. This is especially useful for Phars, Sads, and Heretics. Other than that there's some barebones recursion for Demons, and then that's it.

Deck Metrics · « **Reply #2 on:** November 26, 2010, 01:35:19 PM »

thank you Minister P

Professoralstad · « **Reply #3 on:** November 27, 2010, 11:07:33 AM »

Quote from: delarosajon on November 26, 2010, 01:35:19 PM

thank you Minister P

In case you were wondering how the NT generics can be recurred, it is with Marketplace, the new purple Site.

RTSmaniac · « **Reply #4 on:** November 28, 2010, 11:07:59 PM »

Minister Polarius · « **Reply #5 on:** November 29, 2010, 02:11:12 AM »

That would be part of the barebones Demon recursion.

The Guardian · « **Reply #6 on:** November 29, 2010, 03:59:11 AM »

Don't forget about

in the "barebones Demon recursion" category.

The M · « **Reply #7 on:** November 29, 2010, 08:11:23 PM »

And Gates + Wandering Spirit etc...
Just watch out for wash basin

Deck Metrics · « **Reply #8 on:** November 30, 2010, 01:51:36 PM »

Thank you all sooo much for your input. Some never even crossed my mind (high places and satan released).

Warrior_Monk · « **Reply #9 on:** November 30, 2010, 02:11:56 PM »

This thread has given me a (difficult) solution to a problem I was having with my Golgotha combo...awesome.

SomeKittens · « **Reply #10 on:** November 30, 2010, 03:55:40 PM »

Quote from: Ring Wraith on November 30, 2010, 02:11:56 PM

This thread has given me a (difficult) solution to a problem I was having with my Golgotha combo...awesome.

Don't mention it, or it'll get banned!

Warrior_Monk · « **Reply #11 on:** November 30, 2010, 04:46:26 PM »

Well, they seriously hurt it with the errata. I can still do it, it's just more difficult.

Rawrlolsauce! · « **Reply #12 on:** November 30, 2010, 04:53:31 PM »

DO I GET NAME ON NAME BONUS IF I PLAY WTTF ON SWS?

The Guardian · « **Reply #13 on:** November 30, 2010, 06:40:10 PM »

Quote from: Rawrlolsauce! on November 30, 2010, 04:53:31 PM

DO I GET NAME ON NAME BONUS IF I PLAY WTTF ON SWS?

Just for you, sure.

Deck Metrics · « **Reply #14 on:** November 30, 2010, 09:46:08 PM »

Quote from: Ring Wraith on November 30, 2010, 04:46:26 PM

Well, they seriously hurt it with the errata. I can still do it, it's just more difficult.

What card? Which ruling?

Warrior_Monk · « **Reply #15 on:** November 30, 2010, 10:00:17 PM »

Quote from: delarosajon on November 30, 2010, 09:46:08 PM

Quote from: Ring Wraith on November 30, 2010, 04:46:26 PM
Well, they seriously hurt it with the errata. I can still do it, it's just more difficult.

What card? Which ruling?

Golgotha only being able to have one enhancement on it at a time.

SomeKittens · « **Reply #16 on:** November 30, 2010, 11:20:08 PM »

Ruling

Mr.Hiatus · « **Reply #17 on:** December 01, 2010, 12:11:11 AM »

Orange recurs. Heretics heal. Saduccees/Pharisees recur. Satan released with High Places is good and all, but you have to include black EC's and High Places along with demons, good but not great. Philistines recur, that's three black cards now. You can always recur Torment or Wolves' in Sheep's Clothing, or any evil healing card with Providing Angel. Marketplace is a pretty good one. Worse Then the First is eh. I don't think evil gold, brown, or pale green have anything for recursion, just ways to protect your characters really.

Deck Metrics · « **Reply #18 on:** December 01, 2010, 01:03:30 PM »

Quote from: SomeKittens on November 30, 2010, 11:20:08 PM

Ruling

I read the ruling, were people using it to recur evil enhancements?

Minister Polarius · « **Reply #19 on:** December 01, 2010, 01:07:17 PM »

People still are. Golgotha is to be use for combos only. The only difference is now we can only recur one EE at a time.

Deck Metrics · « **Reply #20 on:** December 01, 2010, 01:21:48 PM »

Quote from: Minister Polarius on December 01, 2010, 01:07:17 PM

People still are. Golgotha is to be use for combos only. The only difference is now we can only recur one EE at a time.

I just checked the Reg, it says that the card returns to its previous location at the end of turn. Can an evil enhancement be recurred for use - or its ONLY to be used on Golgotha, which is what I believe what the card was intended for anyways. You said people were using it for multiple recurring, but how? Can it return the evil card to your hand? I don't understand.

SomeKittens · « **Reply #21 on:** December 01, 2010, 01:40:02 PM »

The would use a card (the name escapes me) that shuffles a site and its contents into owners deck.

Deck Metrics · « **Reply #22 on:** December 01, 2010, 01:47:45 PM »

Quote from: SomeKittens on December 01, 2010, 01:40:02 PM

The would use a card (the name escapes me) that shuffles a site and its contents into owners deck.

if you remember, please post

Minister Polarius · « **Reply #23 on:** December 01, 2010, 01:50:35 PM »

DoU, Abraham's Descendant, Nathan banded in or used in a side-battle, Threatened Lives, ANB, and probably other cards can be used with Golgotha to get EE's and Curses back.

SomeKittens · « **Reply #24 on:** December 01, 2010, 01:57:46 PM »

It still can be done, just not in the same amounts.

Deck Metrics · « **Reply #25 on:** December 01, 2010, 02:06:58 PM »

Quote from: Minister Polarius on December 01, 2010, 01:50:35 PM

It doesn't have to say "and its contents" since placed cards follow the host. DoU, Abraham's Descendant, Nathan banded in or used in a side-battle, Threatened Lives, ANB, and probably other cards can be used with Golgotha to get EE's and Curses back.

can you give me an example?

Minister Polarius · « **Reply #26 on:** December 01, 2010, 02:09:00 PM »

Quote from: Minister Polarius on December 01, 2010, 01:50:35 PM

DoU, Abraham's Descendant, Nathan banded in or used in a side-battle, Threatened Lives, ANB, and probably other cards can be used with Golgotha to get EE's and Curses back.

Deck Metrics · « **Reply #27 on:** December 01, 2010, 02:12:08 PM »

Quote from: Minister Polarius on December 01, 2010, 02:09:00 PM

Quote from: Minister Polarius on December 01, 2010, 01:50:35 PM
DoU, Abraham's Descendant, Nathan banded in or used in a side-battle, Threatened Lives, ANB, and probably other cards can be used with Golgotha to get EE's and Curses back.

you mean like with Nathan shuffling away a 1/2 used curse? what about with Golgotha, how would you get that enhancement if it's placed on Golgotha and then returned to the location it came from at end of turn?

Minister Polarius · « **Reply #28 on:** December 01, 2010, 02:16:06 PM »

It's not.

SomeKittens · « **Reply #29 on:** December 01, 2010, 02:17:15 PM »

RA with Nathan in territory to begin battle phase. Search discard pile for EE or Curse, and place it on Golgatha. Band in Nathan (or side battle) to activate his SA, shuffling the card placed on Golgatha.

Deck Metrics · « **Reply #30 on:** December 01, 2010, 02:18:17 PM »

Quote from: SomeKittens on December 01, 2010, 02:17:15 PM

RA with Nathan in territory to begin battle phase. Search discard pile for EE or Curse, and place it on Golgatha. Band in Nathan (or side battle) to activate his SA, shuffling the card placed on Golgatha.

this makes more sense to me.

Deck Metrics · « **Reply #31 on:** December 01, 2010, 02:20:49 PM »

thank you one again

Minister Polarius · « **Reply #32 on:** December 01, 2010, 02:21:02 PM »

It's the same with any of the other examples I listed.

SomeKittens · « **Reply #33 on:** December 01, 2010, 02:24:59 PM »

Quote from: delarosajon on December 01, 2010, 02:20:49 PM

thank you one again

No problem. Sometimes these things just need to be explained out.

Deck Metrics · « **Reply #34 on:** December 01, 2010, 06:54:47 PM »

Quote from: SomeKittens on December 01, 2010, 02:17:15 PM

RA with Nathan in territory to begin battle phase. Search discard pile for EE or Curse, and place it on Golgatha. Band in Nathan (or side battle) to activate his SA, shuffling the card placed on Golgatha.

You said rescue with Nathan and then later said band him in. What do you mean? Could someone argue that Nathan's ability activates before you could use Golgotha's ability?

Rawrlolsauce! · « **Reply #35 on:** December 01, 2010, 06:58:58 PM »

Quote from: SomeKittens on December 01, 2010, 02:17:15 PM

RA, whilst Nathan in your territory, to begin battle phase. Search discard pile for EE or Curse, and place it on Golgatha. Band in Nathan (or side battle) to activate his SA, shuffling the card placed on Golgatha.

Deck Metrics · « **Reply #36 on:** December 01, 2010, 07:33:23 PM »

Here's a question, fortresses play to your territory unless stated otherwise; if you have Tartaros in play with some demons in there and you block with Elymas (apostles) - can you discard one of your demons in Tartaros to use to Elymas' ability to discard a hero in your opponents' territories and return that demon to Tartaros because of it's special ability?

SomeKittens · « **Reply #37 on:** December 01, 2010, 09:17:10 PM »

Quote from: delarosajon on December 01, 2010, 06:54:47 PM

Quote from: SomeKittens on December 01, 2010, 02:17:15 PM
RA with Nathan in territory to begin battle phase. Search discard pile for EE or Curse, and place it on Golgatha. Band in Nathan (or side battle) to activate his SA, shuffling the card placed on Golgatha.
You said rescue with Nathan and then later said band him in. What do you mean? Could someone argue that Nathan's ability activates before you could use Golgotha's ability?

It does, as the battle phase starts with his entering, and Golgatha doesn't interrupt.

Minister Polarius · « **Reply #38 on:** December 02, 2010, 02:12:35 AM »

Quote from: SomeKittens on December 01, 2010, 02:17:15 PM

RA with Nathan in territory to begin battle phase. Search discard pile for EE or Curse, and place it on Golgatha. Band in Nathan (or side battle) to activate his SA, shuffling the card placed on Golgatha.

Gotta read carefully when prepositions are involved. Actually, considering the third sentence, that shouldn't have been misread.

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Here's a question, fortresses play to your territory unless stated otherwise; if you have Tartaros in play with some demons in there and you block with Elymas (apostles) - can you discard one of your demons in Tartaros to use to Elymas' ability to discard a hero in your opponents' territories and return that demon to Tartaros because of it's special ability?

No, for two reasons. First, Tartaros has been errata'd to go to set-aside. Second, I believe it's an instead ability even though it doesn't have instead wording, and the new ruling on insteading costs means you don't get the benefit.

Professoralstad · « **Reply #39 on:** December 02, 2010, 10:26:40 AM »

Quote from: Rawrlolsauce! on December 01, 2010, 06:58:58 PM

Quote from: SomeKittens on December 01, 2010, 02:17:15 PM
RA, whilst Nathan in your territory, to begin battle phase. Search discard pile for EE or Curse, and place it on Golgatha. Band in Nathan (or side battle) to activate his SA, shuffling the card placed on Golgatha.

+1 for using whilst.

Quote from: Minister Polarius on December 02, 2010, 02:12:35 AM

Quote from: SomeKittens on December 01, 2010, 02:17:15 PM
RA with Nathan in territory to begin battle phase. Search discard pile for EE or Curse, and place it on Golgatha. Band in Nathan (or side battle) to activate his SA, shuffling the card placed on Golgatha.
Gotta read carefully when prepositions are involved. Actually, considering the third sentence, that shouldn't have been misread.

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Here's a question, fortresses play to your territory unless stated otherwise; if you have Tartaros in play with some demons in there and you block with Elymas (apostles) - can you discard one of your demons in Tartaros to use to Elymas' ability to discard a hero in your opponents' territories and return that demon to Tartaros because of it's special ability?
No, for two reasons. First, Tartaros has been errata'd to go to set-aside. Second, I believe it's an instead ability even though it doesn't have instead wording, and the new ruling on insteading costs means you don't get the benefit.

Polarius is correct on all counts.

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Author Topic: Any good ec recursion besides Philistines & Sadducees? (Read 8848 times)

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