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Open Forum => Off-Topic => Sports => Topic started by: New Raven BR on January 24, 2012, 06:34:14 PM
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ok so we have ourselves a superbowl rematch from 2007. The superbowl will be held in Lucas Oil Stadium, Indianapolis, Indiana and its home to of course, the Indianapolis Colts, so considering the rivalry between Patriots/Colts, the Patriots may have themselves a disadvantage over the giants considering their on their AFC Rival's home turf and even worse for them is, they have to face against a rival city to New England, or better known as "Boston".
sure in baseball Boston and New York have an intense rivalry but it reached out into football and other sports. and this is one of those times with Boston and New York going at it in an intense game and this superbowl is sure to be one of the most intense superbowls we've seen in years and Madonna has been confirmed as the performer for the Super Bowl halftime show, with M.I.A. and Nicki Minaj possibly performing as well. The Indiana University Marching Hundred will be performing during the pregame show.
On January 12, 2012, it was reported that former American Idol winner Kelly Clarkson will sing the National Anthem at Super Bowl XLVI. It marks the fourth time in the previous five years that an Idol contestant has performed the anthem (joining Carrie Underwood, Jennifer Hudson and Jordin Sparks). Husband-and-wife country musicians Blake Shelton and Miranda Lambert will perform "America the Beautiful" as part of the ceremonies. The league has not officially confirmed the news.
this should be a FUN superbowl to watch, no mater how you slice it :)
now the real reason why i posted this thread is this: who is your favorite to win the superbowl?
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now the real reason why i posted this thread is this: who is your favorite to win the superbowl?
Tough. I'll go with the Giants though.
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I'll go with the Patriots. Tom Brady is a force to be reckoned with during the regular season and is even better in the post season. I don't believe that the Giants will be able to pull it off again. Whatever happens though it should be a good game seeing that I'm in an upstate NY college with a bunch of Patriots and Giants fans.
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I think Pats will win, but I really really don't want them to.
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I detest both teams. But I'll root for the Giants.
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I detest both teams. But I'll root for the Giants.
I do too, but I cant bring myself to want NY to win after they knocked the Cowboys out of the playoffs >:(.
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I detest both teams. But I'll root for the Giants.
I do too, but I cant bring myself to want NY to win after they knocked the Cowboys out of the playoffs >:(.
The Cowboys knocked the Cowboys out of the playoffs. They beat themselves that game.
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I detest both teams. But I'll root for the Giants.
I do too, but I cant bring myself to want NY to win after they knocked the Cowboys out of the playoffs >:(.
The Cowboys knocked the Cowboys out of the playoffs. They beat themselves that game.
I guess I can't argue much with that. Dallas needs to wake up and draft RGIII or another good QB.
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I detest both teams. But I'll root for the Giants.
I do too, but I cant bring myself to want NY to win after they knocked the Cowboys out of the playoffs >:(.
The Cowboys knocked the Cowboys out of the playoffs. They beat themselves that game.
I guess I can't argue much with that. Dallas needs to wake up and draft RGIII or another good QB.
Lol oh look a Romo hater. Tony Romo is not your problem.
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... they have to face against a rival city to New England, or better known as "Boston".
I disagree with this statement. New England is comprised of six states: Maine, New Hampshire, Vermont, Massachusetts, Connecticut, and Rhode Island. The Boston is a city in only one of those states.
The reason that I mention this (other than the obvious pet peeve) is that northern New Englanders tend to favor the Boston teams, but the southern New Englanders (wow, "southern" New Englander sounds like an oxymoron) tend to favor New York City teams. Vermont fans prefer whichever team is on their favorite flavor of Ben & Jerry's.
When I lived in Connecticut, there were many people who were fans of the Patriots and Yankees. They like the Patriots because they were New Englanders. They like the Yankees because NYC is closer than Boston.
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In response to your last question:
GO PATRIOTS !! (I was born in Maine so I root for the Patriots and Red Sox.)
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... they have to face against a rival city to New England, or better known as "Boston".
New England is comprised of six states: Maine, New Hampshire, Vermont, Massachusetts, Connecticut, and Rhode Island. The Boston is a city in only one of those states.
your suppose to be a math teacher and yet your teaching geography ;)
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... they have to face against a rival city to New England, or better known as "Boston".
The reason that I mention this (other than the obvious pet peeve) is that northern New Englanders tend to favor the Boston teams, but the southern New Englanders (wow, "southern" New Englander sounds like an oxymoron) tend to favor New York City teams. Vermont fans prefer whichever team is on their favorite flavor of Ben & Jerry's.
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In response to your last question:
GO PATRIOTS !! (I was born in Maine so I root for the Patriots and Red Sox.)
Sweet, now it's the Hartford Partiots. Too bad I hate them.
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I disagree with this statement. New England is comprised of six states: Maine, New Hampshire, Vermont, Massachusetts, Connecticut, and Rhode Island. The Boston is a city in only one of those states.
Gillette Stadium lies within the greater Boston area. Despite being called the "New England" Patriots, they are as much a Boston team as the Red Sox are.
sure in baseball Boston and New York have an intense rivalry but it reached out into football and other sports.
I don't know that this is true. The only reason the Pats and the Giants have any kind of a rivalry is because of what is arguably the biggest upset in Super Bowl history just a few years ago. Beyond that, the Yankees/Red Sox rivalry remains the only real sports rivalry between the two cities.
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Yeah they aren't even in the same conference so unless they meet in the super bowl NYG and NE only play each other once every 4 years, that can't be a rivalry...
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Gillette Stadium lies within the greater Boston area. Despite being called the "New England" Patriots, they are as much a Boston team as the Red Sox are.
Boston fans are most definitely Patriots fans, but Patriots fans are not necessarily Boston fans. The Patriots have a much greater following throughout all the New England states than the Red Sox do, especially in CT and RI. The location of the stadium is not relevant since the vast majority of Patriots fans watch them on TV. Patriots games have priority throughout the New England states. This is not true however in baseball, since Yankees games have priority in southern New England states, while Red Sox games have priority in Northern New England states.
Sweet, now it's the Hartford Partiots. Too bad I hate them.
Well, Robert Kraft promised to keep the Patriots in MA for 4 more years, so I guess that means they will relocate to Carolina in three. ;)
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Go Green Bay!
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I expect it to be a close game, and I think the Giants will win in the end. They have been playing inspired football the past few weeks, and just like last year with GB and in 2008 with that Giants team, when you're on a roll, you're on a roll.
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Just so long as they don't start reading their own propaganda. My favorite part will be watching the battle of the fans here at Roberts.
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So we have nothing new this year. Patriots cheat again. Boston and New York play for a championship again. Everyone west of the Mississippi (except Vegas) will be happily watching reruns of something while enjoying all sorts of delicious party food. We don't even need to watch the Super Bowl to see the commercials. We can just watch them online. ;)
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So we have nothing new this year. Patriots win again. Rest of the country tries to make excuses to why they won Boston and New York play for a championship again. Everyone west of the Mississippi (except Vegas) will be watching the game just like every year and eating delicious party food. We don't even need to watch the Super Bowl to see the commercials. We can just watch them online. ;)
FTFY
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Hopefully the good guys will be able to pull this one out. 8)
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I just hope Tim Tebow takes the puck and kicks a homerun into the hoop right past the goalie.
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So we have nothing new this year. Patriots cheat again. Boston and New York play for a championship again. East-coast bias becomes as nauseating as ever. Everyone west of the Mississippi (except Vegas) will be happily watching reruns of something while enjoying all sorts of delicious party food. We don't even need to watch the Super Bowl to see the commercials. We can just watch them online. ;)
FTFY
FTFY
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We don't even need to watch the Super Bowl to see the commercials. We can just watch them online. ;)
Speaking of that, that one Doritos commercial was awesome.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3usaGfn7r0w
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So we have nothing new this year. Patriots cheat again. Boston and New York play for a championship again. I can't seem to comprehend that There's no such thing as east coast bias, some teams are just better than others. Everyone west of the Mississippi (except Vegas) will be happily watching reruns of something while enjoying all sorts of delicious party food. We don't even need to watch the Super Bowl to see the commercials. We can just watch them online. ;)
FTFY
FTFY
FTFY
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I'm going to have to pick the Giants to win this one, for a very simple reason, in the 3 games the patriots have played against teams who ended the season with a winning record (and this includes their game against the giants), the patriots have scored an average of 20 points, lost 2 of the games and only won the last one on a dropped touchdown and a missed field goal. The patriots haven't played many teams with winning records this season, but when they have the celebrated offense has done rather poorly, and I think the Giants can take advantage of the Patriots defense.
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I'm going to have to pick the Giants to win this one, for a very simple reason, in the 3 games the patriots have played against teams who ended the season with a winning record (and this includes their game against the giants), the patriots have scored an average of 20 points, lost 2 of the games and only won the last one on a dropped touchdown and a missed field goal. The patriots haven't played many teams with winning records this season, but when they have the celebrated offense has done rather poorly, and I think the Giants can take advantage of the Patriots defense.
Statements like this are exactly why I think the Pats will win. Any time there is even a shadow of a doubt, the combined force that is Tom Brady and Bill Belichick take it personally and go crazy.
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If I ever get the chance to...
So Jesus said to them, “Because of your unbelief; for assuredly, I say to you, if you have faith as a mustard seed, you will say to this mountain, ‘Move from here to there,’ and it will move; and nothing will be impossible for you. - Matthew 17:20
...I'll look at the Rockies and say, "You guys look good right where you're at. Job well done!"
;)
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Hopefully the good guys will be able to pull this one out. 8)
Who The "Good Guys" Are is the question....
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I just hope Tim Tebow takes the puck and kicks a homerun into the hoop right past the goalie.
Thanks, for that (http://www.cactusgamedesign.com/message_boards/off-topic/prof%27s-favorite-forum-quotes/msg459271/#msg459271) it's been a long time.
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... they have to face against a rival city to New England, or better known as "Boston".
I disagree with this statement. New England is comprised of six states: Maine, New Hampshire, Vermont, Massachusetts, Connecticut, and Rhode Island.
well, how was i suppose to know that? im from the south and that's my only excuse
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alright, i've come to the conclusion that im gonna root for new england considering i checked wikipedia and the patriots are the favorite to win the superbowl and they have a good chance to win the superbowl
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alright, i've come to the conclusion that im gonna root for new england considering i checked wikipedia and the patriots are the favorite to win the superbowl and they have a good chance to win the superbowl
If you are looking for a good cause, the Patriots are being inspired by the memory of the owner's wife, who passed away this past year. That is why the Patriots wear a patch that says MHK, which were her initials. Some players called her "momma" because of her demeanor with the players.
During the last game, you may have noticed the Patriots running back after the first touchdown. Rather than do a dance, he went up to the camera and pointed to the MHK patch, stretching it out from his jersey.
Personally, I am looking forward to this Super Bowl. The last time we played the Giants, the players were pretty high on themselves since they were undefeated. They were playing for the wrong reasons, which made them prime for the fall. This year they are playing as a tribute to a woman they respected. I am hopeful that they do not forget that, and instead start playing for revenge of 2008. If they play for the wrong reasons, they will be setting themselves up to lose again.
Go Patriots! Be humble! ;D
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alright, i've come to the conclusion that im gonna root for new england considering i checked wikipedia and the patriots are the favorite to win the superbowl and they have a good chance to win the superbowl
If you are looking for a good cause, the Patriots are being inspired by the memory of the owner's wife, who passed away this past year. That is why the Patriots wear a patch that says MHK, which were her initials. Some players called her "momma" because of her demeanor with the players.
During the last game, you may have noticed the Patriots running back after the first touchdown. Rather than do a dance, he went up to the camera and pointed to the MHK patch, stretching it out from his jersey.
Personally, I am looking forward to this Super Bowl. The last time we played the Giants, the players were pretty high on themselves since they were undefeated. They were playing for the wrong reasons, which made them prime for the fall. This year they are playing as a tribute to a woman they respected. I am hopeful that they do not forget that, and instead start playing for revenge of 2008. If they play for the wrong reasons, they will be setting themselves up to lose again.
Go Patriots! Be humble! ;D
i didn't watch that game where they beat my baltimore ravens, matter of fact i haven't been able to catch anymore games after knowing that the stupid cincinnati bengals lost to knock the titans out of the wildcard race which made no sese at all
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So the only team to beat the Giants twice this year was.... that's right, my Washington Redskins. 8)
Kirk
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And, as NE regionals could have told us, NY > New England.
/Yes, I'm from Buffalo area. Let me have a little pride in my region...
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I don't know about you, but my life sure hasn't changed.
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I don't know about you, but my life sure hasn't changed.
I've already seen 4 variations on how the Patriots are terrible football players. If going 13-4 is terrible, I don't want to live on this planet anymore. It certainly was an entertaining game.
The people I feel the most sorry for are the Packers fans.
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Well. Giants won. :'( It was a very good game besides that.
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I watched the game on a projector screen by the poolside in the balmy 80-degree Florida weather. My son was swimming with his friends during the game. I guess if I had to watch my Patriots lose to the Giants again, at least I got to do it in style.
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So let me get this straight: Tom Brady, the best quarterback in the NFL right now (if anyone wants to argue that, they can, but they're wrong), starts off the Super Bowl with an intentional grounding resulting in a safety? I understand that that was as much the Giants' defense being on top of him, but even so, if anyone had proposed that a safety would be Brady's first play, they would have been laughed at. He helped make up for it with two excellent drives, but I have to concede that as much as I wanted the Patriots to win, the Giants played a better game.
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Intentional Grounding is a stupid penalty to me. It punishes Qbs who are intelligent enough to throw the ball away without throwing it somewhere that it could be easily intercepted. Why is that a bad thing? The QB position is all about making the best decision based on the given situation and when you are standing in your own end zone with no one open getting rid of the ball is the best decision. Stupid penalty is stupid.
Patriots receivers dropping all those passes in the 4th quarter is what killed them. Pats killed themselves, Giants only needed to coast to win.
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Won my friend 100 bucks. Told her Giants win by 4. Too bad I don't gamble...
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So we have nothing new this year. Patriots Giants win again. Rest of the country tries to make excuses to why they won the Patriots lost.
FTFY
FTFY
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No excuses they lost the game. Intentionally grounding is a dumb penalty, but it was called correctly. Welker dropped a pass that could have sealed the game, Branch and Hernandez both dropped passes on the attempted game winning drive, 12 men on the field penalty that negated the fumble was bad. Pats beat themselves last night.
The one reason I am thankful to be a bills fan, I may very well go my entire life and never know the disappointment of making it all the way in to the super bowl only to lose it in the final 2 minutes. As disappointing as this years collapse was, that would be SO much worse.
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The one reason I am thankful to be a bills fan, I may very well go my entire life and never know the disappointment of making it all the way in to the super bowl only to lose it in the final 2 minutes. As disappointing as this years collapse was, that would be SO much worse.
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The one reason I am thankful to be a bills fan, I may very well go my entire life and never know the disappointment of making it all the way in to the super bowl only to lose it in the final 2 minutes. As disappointing as this years collapse was, that would be SO much worse.
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I was 2 when the last of those games occurred. Did not experience.
I also have never watched, and never plan to watch, any video of those events. If though I already know they lost I would still freak out when Norwood missed that field goal. Too painful. "No goal" was bad enough.
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I'm probably going to go my entire life without ever watching my Vikings lose a Super Bowl...
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I'm probably going to go my entire life without ever watching my Vikings lose a Super Bowl...
Never fear...they're really good at it. ;)
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Tom Brady, the best quarterback in the NFL right now
I'd love to argue this. Aaron Rodgers and Drew Brees over Brady. Brady has the #1 Ranked offensive line, Deion Branch, Wes Welker, Gronk, and Hernandez. It's easy to be the best when you have the #1 TE, and the #1 WR. True Rodgers has a top 5 TE, Drews has the #2 TE, and all three have an excellent receiving corps, but Brady's offensive line is too good to put him over Rodgers or Brees.
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Proof is in the pudding.
Tom Brady: 3 rings
Aaron Rodgers: 1 ring
Drew Brees: 1 ring
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Not a good marker for the point being debated.
The statement was that Tom Brady is the best QB right now And that's simply not true.
Now, if we're looking at overall careers, then yes, Brady by a long shot right now.
Also, Eli's got 2, and he's beaten Brady the last 3 times he's played him. Do you rank him above or below Brady sean?
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Not a good marker for the point being debated.
The statement was that Tom Brady is the best QB right now And that's simply not true.
Now, if we're looking at overall careers, then yes, Brady by a long shot right now.
Also, Eli's got 2, and he's beaten Brady the last 3 times he's played him. Do you rank him above or below Brady sean?
I did mean more looking at careers as a whole, and even how good they were at their height.
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Not a good marker for the point being debated.
The statement was that Tom Brady is the best QB right now And that's simply not true.
Now, if we're looking at overall careers, then yes, Brady by a long shot right now.
Also, Eli's got 2, and he's beaten Brady the last 3 times he's played him. Do you rank him above or below Brady sean?
I did mean more looking at careers as a whole, and even how good they were at their height.
Then why in the world did you say 'Right now'
If we're looking at careers as a whole, then I like Brady. If we're looking at height I like Brady and Eli. If we're looking at recent seasons, lets say the last two, then I like Rodgers, Brees and Eli.
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Tom Brady, the best quarterback in the NFL right now
I'd love to argue this. Aaron Rodgers and Drew Brees over Brady. Brady has the #1 Ranked offensive line, Deion Branch, Wes Welker, Gronk, and Hernandez. It's easy to be the best when you have the #1 TE, and the #1 WR. True Rodgers has a top 5 TE, Drews has the #2 TE, and all three have an excellent receiving corps, but Brady's offensive line is too good to put him over Rodgers or Brees.
Brady right now > Drew Brees right now Aaron Rodgers right now.
Brady's weapons.
Welker - cut from the dolphins. suddenly awesome with Brady.
Branch - good with Brady early in career, went to seahawks. did nothing. Comes back to Brady and he's good again.
Julian Edelman - only on the team for his versatility.
Gronkowski - Good
Hernandez - missed half the season but good.
Brees' Weapons.
Colston - amazing
Graham - amazing
Sproles - should really be moved to wide out
Moore - pretty good
Henderson/Meechem/etc. - not that great individually but good by commitee.
Rodgers' Weapons.
Jennings - awesome
Nelson - Awesome
Driver - fading now but still decent
Finley - good
Brady does the most with the least weapons. He also revitalized Randy Moss' career. It tends to get over looked but he, like Brees, broke Marino's record for passing yards in a season this year. Probably would have beaten Brees had the Patriots not found some sort of mock run game for once.
Brees now holds the all time passing record. He also has the most weapons out of the three. Has the best defense out of the three.
Rodgers' Had the most TDs. Second most weapons. The reason I no longer have him over Brees is the fact that Matt Flynn had that monster game at the end of the season. Why does that matter? It was Flynns second NFL start, in his first he threw for 3 TDs in his second he threw for...6? I think i can't remember off hand but one of the QBs in that game had 5 the other had 6. I'm not saying that Rodgers isn't good but you can't say that after those performance by a guy with almost no experience that there isn't a system set up in GB for QBs to thrive. He has more weapons that Brady as well.
Brady has consistently done the most with the least. Just look at last nights game. Wes Welker drops a pass on the second to last possession that would have given the pats a first down in field goal range. Wes Welker completes that pass and the Pats almost definitely win that game. If if the Giants come back and score a touchdown, the pats only need a field goal to win it now. Then on the final drive, drops by Branch and Hernandez, sack on third down costing the third time out ultimately leading to a last play 51 yard hail mary.
I'm a bills fan, I'm trained to hate Tom Brady but I just can't. He's the best QB in the NFL right now and has been in the top 2, trading places with Peyton, for over a decade. Had he one last night you could definitely make the argument of best ever, and he's still got a shot at that crown. Both right now and career wise he's the best.
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Brady is a system QB
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Brady is a system QB
lol.
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You guys fill me with mirth. ;D
If you truly want to filter the best QB argument to Right now and only look at Right now, then here's how they rank:
1. Eli Manning
2. Tom Brady
3. everyone else
Duh! ;)
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Hey Tom Brady, I'm happy for you, and Imma letchu finish, but TIM TEBOW IS THE BEST QB OF ALL TIME!!!111!!!ELEVEN!!1OEN!
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You guys fill me with mirth. ;D
If you truly want to filter the best QB argument to Right now and only look at Right now, then here's how they rank:
1. Eli Manning
2. Tom Brady
3. everyone else
Duh! ;)
Idk...the Giants backup QBs have one more Super Bowl ring in the last year than Brady does...just sayin' ;)
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You guys fill me with mirth. ;D
If you truly want to filter the best QB argument to Right now and only look at Right now, then here's how they rank:
1. Eli Manning
2. Tom Brady
3. everyone else
Duh! ;)
Super Bowl Champion =/= best QB. Take Trent Dilfer for example, he won the Super Bowl with the Ravens and the next season ended up being the back up to Matt Hasselbeck in Seattle. It takes a team to win a super bowl. Brady didn't drop those passes. Brady didn't allow what ended up being the game winning touchdown. Brady didn't allow himself to get sacked on 3rd down and force the team to burn their final timeout.
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Brady didn't drop those passes. Brady didn't allow what ended up being the game winning touchdown. Brady didn't allow himself to get sacked on 3rd down and force the team to burn their final timeout.
Spoken like a true supermodel... ;D
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I assure you I look nothing like Gisele
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As a lifetime Patriots fan, I will say forthright that the loss was on Brady. A future Hall-of-Fame QB and team leader should have thrown that first pass out of bounds, since his receivers were running toward the sideline. You can't make that kind of mistake when you are standing in the endzone.
Without those two points, the Giants' final drive would have been only for a TD, which our defense could have actually tried to defend. The free kick also led to seven more points. You can't give that away in the SuperBowl against a team that beat you in your last SuperBowl and beat you earlier this season. We may have still lost either way, but the ending would have played out much differently.
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Brady is a system QB
While I wouldn't go as far to say that Brady is entirely a system QB, I will say he has a great system around him, and he wouldn't have nearly the success he has now if he played for a different team. Don't forget, Brady is out for a season and the Patriots go 11-5 with their back-up quarterback.
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I am new york fan always have been always will be giants jets and yanks! its fun watching mass loose to ny.
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While I wouldn't go as far to say that Brady is entirely a system QB, I will say he has a great system around him, and he wouldn't have nearly the success he has now if he played for a different team. Don't forget, Brady is out for a season and the Patriots go 11-5 with their back-up quarterback.
Cassel's numbers that season were average though, and two years later he had a better season statistically and finished with the same record for the Kansas City Chiefs. Did the "system" follow him or stay in New England?
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Proof is in the pudding.
Tom Brady: 3 rings
Aaron Rodgers: 1 ring
Drew Brees: 1 ring
Brady's ring are so controversial due to the footage, sorry. But talking about the weapons, saying how awesome Rodger's/Brees weapons are, well doesn't that back up them? We don't know how Green Bay's/NO's receivers are because they have been there the whole time.
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While I wouldn't go as far to say that Brady is entirely a system QB, I will say he has a great system around him, and he wouldn't have nearly the success he has now if he played for a different team. Don't forget, Brady is out for a season and the Patriots go 11-5 with their back-up quarterback.
Cassel's numbers that season were average though, and two years later he had a better season statistically and finished with the same record for the Kansas City Chiefs. Did the "system" follow him or stay in New England?
KC went 10-6 that year, but mostly because of Dwayne Bowe & Jamaal Charles.
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While I wouldn't go as far to say that Brady is entirely a system QB, I will say he has a great system around him, and he wouldn't have nearly the success he has now if he played for a different team. Don't forget, Brady is out for a season and the Patriots go 11-5 with their back-up quarterback.
Cassel's numbers that season were average though, and two years later he had a better season statistically and finished with the same record for the Kansas City Chiefs. Did the "system" follow him or stay in New England?
KC went 10-6 that year, but mostly because of Dwayne Bowe & Jamaal Charles.
sorry should have clarified, Cassel was10-5 in both seasons. Cassell had better stats with the Chiefs. QB rating was nearly 10 points better. Cassell is a good QB, he never started in college because he had to compete with 2 straight Heisman trophy winners and then Tom Brady once he got to the NFL. Brady has gone threw at least half a dozen offensives coordinators in his career. The system keeps moving but he stays just as good as he ever was.
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While I wouldn't go as far to say that Brady is entirely a system QB, I will say he has a great system around him, and he wouldn't have nearly the success he has now if he played for a different team. Don't forget, Brady is out for a season and the Patriots go 11-5 with their back-up quarterback.
Cassel's numbers that season were average though, and two years later he had a better season statistically and finished with the same record for the Kansas City Chiefs. Did the "system" follow him or stay in New England?
KC went 10-6 that year, but mostly because of Dwayne Bowe & Jamaal Charles.
sorry should have clarified, Cassel was10-5 in both seasons. Cassell had better stats with the Chiefs. QB rating was nearly 10 points better. Cassell is a good QB, he never started in college because he had to compete with 2 straight Heisman trophy winners and then Tom Brady once he got to the NFL. Brady has gone threw at least half a dozen offensives coordinators in his career. The system keeps moving but he stays just as good as he ever was.
Where do YOU get your stats? (http://www.nfl.com/player/mattcassel/2506562/profile)
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While I wouldn't go as far to say that Brady is entirely a system QB, I will say he has a great system around him, and he wouldn't have nearly the success he has now if he played for a different team. Don't forget, Brady is out for a season and the Patriots go 11-5 with their back-up quarterback.
Cassel's numbers that season were average though, and two years later he had a better season statistically and finished with the same record for the Kansas City Chiefs. Did the "system" follow him or stay in New England?
KC went 10-6 that year, but mostly because of Dwayne Bowe & Jamaal Charles.
sorry should have clarified, Cassel was10-5 in both seasons. Cassell had better stats with the Chiefs. QB rating was nearly 10 points better. Cassell is a good QB, he never started in college because he had to compete with 2 straight Heisman trophy winners and then Tom Brady once he got to the NFL. Brady has gone threw at least half a dozen offensives coordinators in his career. The system keeps moving but he stays just as good as he ever was.
Where do YOU get your stats? (http://www.nfl.com/player/mattcassel/2506562/profile)
Right there. In 2008, the year brady got hurt cassel 3600 yards 21 TDs 11 interceptions. going 10-5 as the starter. 2 years later in 2010 he threw for 3100 yards 27 TDs and 7 ints going 10-5 as the starter and leading the chiefs to the playoffs. Seems like pretty simple math to me.
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So the QB rating was nearly ten points better? ::)
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So the QB rating was nearly ten points better? ::)
Sorry, glanced quickly. His QBR went up nearly ten from 09-10 not 08-10. My bad. but the rest of the stats remain valid, and the point itself remains valid. Tom Brady is NOT a system QB.
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I think it came down to the team that was the most clutch. The Giants have been making the perfect plays at the needed time over the last few weeks. The Pats are awesome, but I think the Giants have their number.
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I think it came down to the team that was the most clutch. The Giants have been making the perfect plays at the needed time over the last few weeks. The Pats are awesome, but I think the Giants have their number.
+1. The Pats just choked on that last drive.
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Can someone explain to me why some receiver superstars like moss and ocho whatever are so good away from NE and when they play for NE they seem very average? Thanks!
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Can someone explain to me why some receiver superstars like moss and ocho whatever are so good away from NE and when they play for NE they seem very average? Thanks!
Moss? You mean the guy who left the Vikings, became nothing with the raiders, was traded to the patriots for a 4th round pick and went on to break the record for TD catchs in a season? That Moss? Ochocinco is passed his prime, he dropped more balls than he caught this year and for the most part wasn't worth having on the field.
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Not a good marker for the point being debated.
The statement was that Tom Brady is the best QB right now And that's simply not true.
Now, if we're looking at overall careers, then yes, Brady by a long shot right now.
Also, Eli's got 2, and he's beaten Brady the last 3 times he's played him. Do you rank him above or below Brady sean?
I did mean more looking at careers as a whole, and even how good they were at their height.
Then why in the world did you say 'Right now'
If we're looking at careers as a whole, then I like Brady. If we're looking at height I like Brady and Eli. If we're looking at recent seasons, lets say the last two, then I like Rodgers, Brees and Eli.
I didn't mean Brady's current playing ability when I said "right now," I meant quarterbacks who are currently playing in the NFL.
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Can someone explain to me why some receiver superstars like moss and ocho whatever are so good away from NE and when they play for NE they seem very average? Thanks!
Moss? You mean the guy who left the Vikings, became nothing with the raiders, was traded to the patriots for a 4th round pick and went on to break the record for TD catchs in a season? That Moss? Ochocinco is passed his prime, he dropped more balls than he caught this year and for the most part wasn't worth having on the field.
Aha thanks for the history lesson for those guys. Makes more sense now, since a "big name" may cover up deficiencies.