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Open Forum => Off-Topic => Sports => Topic started by: Neil Da BOMB J on September 09, 2011, 03:13:01 PM
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Post here who you want to, and who you think will win the Super Bowl. Give reason for your pick.
For me I'll not sure yet, but I wouldn't be shocked if the Packers Repeated.
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Natural bias towards Ravens here. :P
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Natural bias towards Ravens here. :P
That's actually a team I really want to see win it all.
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Eagles most likely seeing as they are stacked. The Patriots are gonna be good but they won't win simply because they are the Pats. The Steelers will be there normal amazing selfs but I don't think they will win it.
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I woudn't agree about the Eagles, I think they and Vick are way overrated.
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I predict the Bills will make me I wish I had grown up in another state! :-[
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Dallas Cowboys will finish 0-16. Lions take home the trophy!
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I woudn't agree about the Eagles, I think they and Vick are way overrated.
The Eagles are overrated. However, this is the best team they've had in ages. If they play at half the potential they have this year, they'll at least make it several rounds into the playoffs.
Other strong teams in the include the Packers and Patriots. Maybe the Steelers, though they don't look as strong this year as they have recently.
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Dallas Cowboys will finish 0-16. Lions take home the trophy!
Amen Brother!!!!!!!!!! ;) :D ;D
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I'm going with the Ravens. Lee Evans looks to be a key factor in opening up their offense.
My darkhorse pick in the AFC race is the Texans, as they should take over the division with Peyton out and have a lot they want to prove in the playoffs with plenty of weapons to keep up with anyone.
The NFC South and NFC North will be the most dominant divisions and one of their teams will represent the NFC in the Super Bowl. I think the Packers will have a great season and be surprised another team come conference championship (Falcons wanting revenge from last year).
Kirk
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Go Oilers!
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Steelers and packers will go a very long way. Sadly, I'm afraid the vikings won't :'(
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Ravens versus the Motor City Kitties!
WHAT!
;)
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Brett Favre will win eZ
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Brett Favre will win eZ
Truth.
But seriously I think a Packer repeat, if they can stay healthy.
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Panthers VS Colts! :o
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As much as I would like to see the Dolphins play the Bears my guess would be Patriots vs Packers.
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Panthers VS Colts! :o
Colts ? I didn't know that was a team. I thought Manning was injured.
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Panthers VS Colts! :o
Colts ? I didn't know that was a team. I thought Manning was injured.
He is. :-[
They're gonna get Jeff George outta retirement to replace Collins outta retirement. ::)
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Perish the thought! The press is talking about Favre coming out of retirement to the Colts! :o
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Perish the thought! The press is talking about Favre coming out of retirement to the Colts! :o
No, slugfencer is correct about Jeff George. However, the Colts are first going into their top secret cold storage to inject the DNA of Johnny Unitas into him.
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I went to school in Indy with Jeff George's brother, Joseph George. ???
I think YMT is on the right trail to the Colts' top secret "plan F" when Collins tanks=
The "frankenstein" QB Ingredients: Morphing together Farve, Unitas, and Manning to rule the league!!
However, they fear Patriot Belichick spies are on to them and researching their own "BradyGrogan"=a hydralike creature with 2 heads and 4 arms/legs. Half the time he is spot on, and the other half...... :-\
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Psh, if you had Favre back in his prime (and by prime I mean year 1 on the Vikings ), why would you stain his blood with blood of lesser quarterbacks?
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Psh, if you had Favre back in his prime (and by prime I mean year 1 on the Vikings ), why would you stain his blood with blood of lesser quarterbacks?
Lesser QBs? Johnny Unitas? Surely you jest.
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I went to school in Indy with Jeff George's brother, Joseph George. ???
I think YMT is on the right trail to the Colts' top secret "plan F" when Collins tanks=
The "frankenstein" QB Ingredients: Morphing together Farve, Unitas, and Manning to rule the league!!
Only problems with that are Unitas would never play for Indianapolis, and Farve would throw too many interceptions.
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Psh, if you had Favre back in his prime (and by prime I mean year 1 on the Vikings ), why would you stain his blood with blood of lesser quarterbacks?
Lesser QBs? Johnny Unitas? Surely you jest.
Oh this is purely from a Brett Favre fanatic's standpoint. But still, I'd take a 1st year Vikings Favre over anyone, granted that's just me. And don't call me Shirley.
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Yeah, Favre has to be the most overrated quarterback in the history of the league.
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I predict the Bills will make me I wish I had grown up in another state! :-[
Rereading the thread I found this. What say you now?
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I predict the Bills will make me I wish I had grown up in another state! :-[
Rereading the thread I found this. What say you now?
Any team who can pick Brady off 4 times and win should go to the Super Bowl.
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I predict the Bills will make me I wish I had grown up in another state! :-[
Rereading the thread I found this. What say you now?
I have never been happier to be completly wrong. Go Bills!
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Yeah, Favre has to be the most overrated quarterback in the history of the league.
25.4 Touchdowns and 16.8 Interceptions per season for "the greatest QB of all time" is crazy (includes one season of 0 games started).
By comp:
Brady (without this year): 26.1 Touchdowns and 10.3 Interceptions (includes two seasons of 0 and 1 games started).
Peyton: 30.6 Touchdowns and 15.23 Interceptions
Marino: 24.7 Touchdowns and 14.82 Interceptions
Tarkenton: 20.11 Touchdowns and 15.64 Interceptions (played 14 game seasons, which, over the course of his 17 year career, means that every other player got a "free" season with the two extra games)
This doesn't even account for the fact that Brady has 3 super bowls to Brett's 1 and that Brady's averages are significantly better when you take out his rookie season and the season he tore his ACL (29 touchdowns and 11.44 interceptions) while Brett's get only slightly better when you take out his rookie season (26.73 touchdowns 17.47 interceptions)
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Olijar so bias. Numbers don't win games, Brett Favre wins games.
You mad?
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Olijar so bias. Numbers don't win games, Brett Favre wins games.
Except when he throws a game ending interception to lose the game.
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Montana and Unitas are laughing about this thread discussion. ;)
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Brett Favre's season on the Vikings, I would argue, is one of the best seasons any quarterback has ever had. Understand, he shares yards with the best running back in the league, and still had the best stats (but didn't get MVP because the league is biased against old men).
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Olijar so bias. Numbers don't win games, Brett Favre wins games.
You mad?
How many Super Bowls?
Montana and Unitas are laughing about this thread discussion. ;)
Fair point. I was just grabbing some guys that jumped to mind.
Brett Favre's season on the Vikings, I would argue, is one of the best seasons any quarterback has ever had. Understand, he shares yards with the best running back in the league, and still had the best stats (but didn't get MVP because the league is biased against old men).
Blatanly false.
Favre: 531 attempts, 68% completion rate, 33 touchdowns, 7 interceptions
Brady's best: 578 attempts, 69% completion rate, 50 touchdowns, 8 interceptions
Difference: Brady did it without a running game of note.
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How many Super Bowls?
That answer would be a number, too. I don't use numbers. They're all fact and no heart. And that's exactly whats pulling our country apart today.
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Favre: 531 attempts, 68% completion rate, 33 touchdowns, 7 interceptions
Brady's best: 578 attempts, 69% completion rate, 50 touchdowns, 8 interceptions
Difference: Brady did it without a running game of note.
Uh... did you read what I said? Exactly. Brady didn't have to share ANY yards, and had amazing receivers and all day every day to throw. Brett Favre had a losing record team, a bad line, and the best RB to share yards with, and had the best stats THAT YEAR.
Brady, in my opinion, is the most overrated.
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Brett Favre had a losing record team, a bad line, and the best RB to share yards with
Not quite true either. Brett's miracle season was when the Vikings went 12-4, crushed the Cowboys in the Divisional playoffs, beat the Saints in OT of the NFC championship, and beat the Colts in the Super Bowl*
*How it should have ended. :(
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Uh... did you read what I said? Exactly. Brady didn't have to share ANY yards, and had amazing receivers and all day every day to throw. Brett Favre had a losing record team, a bad line, and the best RB to share yards with, and had the best stats THAT YEAR.
Brady, in my opinion, is the most overrated.
I read what you said, but my point is that's it's about 10x easier to throw for yards and for touchdowns when defenses have to stack lines to stop the best running back in the league. Pretty much anyone but Tavaris Jackson could have been a serviceable quarterback for the Vikings that year. Meanwhile, everyone just knew Brady was going to be chucking it 40 times a game yet he still slaughtered every defense.
And I don't know why you keep saying Brett had the best stats that year. He led the league in.... percentage of times intercepted when attempting the pass. Yeah, that's a big statistic to lead in.
Brett Favre is a classic example of the sexy gunslinger getting way more than he is worth.
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And I don't know why you keep saying Brett had the best stats that year. He led the league in.... percentage of times intercepted when attempting the pass. Yeah, that's a big statistic to lead in.
Uhm... he had 7 interceptions with a 1.3% int percentage. Compare that to Brees' 11 and 2.1%, and Manning's 16 and 2.8%. What are you talking about?
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Let me clear something up here:
Brett spent two seasons with the Vikings. LN is talking about season one, when the Vikes were one errant Favre pass from playing in the Super Bowl. Olijar is talking about season two, where Brett did have one amazing performance (highest total passing yards in his career in one game) but spent the majority of the rest of the season either on the ground, or on the bench.
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Let me clear something up here:
Brett spent two seasons with the Vikings. LN is talking about season one, when the Vikes were one errant Favre pass from playing in the Super Bowl. Olijar is talking about season two, where Brett did have one amazing performance (highest total passing yards in his career in one game) but spent the majority of the rest of the season either on the ground, or on the bench.
That would probably be the confusion then. ;D Give him a break year 2 on the Vikings, he's old. ;) We'll see how Brady plays when he's 40+.
Right, let's not Blame it on 3 Peterson fumbles... ::)
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That's dandy, but for one, Brees and Manning took their teams further (largely because of their own dominance, not because AP is the best running back in the world).
Pecentage of times intercepted when attempting to pass is a ridiculous statistic. He didn't lead in actual number of interceptions thrown. He was efficient, which is all the Vikings needed since AP ran for 1400 yards and 18 touchdowns.
Even in the context of time, that was a largely forgettable season by Favre. The only memorable thing about it is the Favre drama in training camp, the Favre drama at the end of the season, and Diva Brett coming back the next year. If those numbers happened at another point in his career, no one would care.
Let me clear something up here:
Brett spent two seasons with the Vikings. LN is talking about season one, when the Vikes were one errant Favre pass from playing in the Super Bowl. Olijar is talking about season two, where Brett did have one amazing performance (highest total passing yards in his career in one game) but spent the majority of the rest of the season either on the ground, or on the bench.
I'm talking about season one also.
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Brett Favre is a classic example of the sexy gunslinger getting way more than he is worth.
So he texted you that picture, too??!! :o
:laugh:
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Pecentage of times intercepted when attempting to pass is a ridiculous statistic.
I'm obviously missing something, I posted their int% ratings.
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It's the same thing.
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So then how did he lead the league in that stat with such a low percentage?
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Can we talk about the new star in Aaron Rogers. 3-0 for the Packers!!!
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Can we talk about the new star in Aaron Rogers. 3-0 for the Packers!!!
Who? ;)
Kirk
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Can we talk about the new star in Aaron Rogers. 3-0 for the Packers!!!
New? He's been great since he started on the Packers, but yeah this year he's playing excellently. #1 QB rating! Go Packers!
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So then how did he lead the league in that stat with such a low percentage?
You want your interception percentage to be low.
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So then how did he lead the league in that stat with such a low percentage?
You want your interception percentage to be low.
So... you were complimenting Brett Favre?
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Not really. I called it an irrelevant and ridiculous stat previously. I only ever brought it up because it was the only stat Favre led the league in that year, contrary to your statements that he had the best stats. Because he didn't. And that was even in a down year for QB stats.
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Well if let's say Lebron james had 800 steals, 800 points, and 800 blocks, and another player had 801 steals, and 5 points and blocks, and another player had 801 points... you get the idea. He might not lead the league in anything, but overall he has the best stats.
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Peyton Manning has a much better receiving core then Favre had at any point in his career, and for the last few years had to share the offense with some stellar running backs. No he didn't have the best TD to interception ratio but that's kind of what made him great. The willingness to risk it all to win the game. That's what the game is about right? I wish there was a break down of how many of those picks game in the final 2 minutes of games were they were down. I bet it's a lot of them. He was a gun slinger. Not afraid to take chances. Right now, he holds all the records for an NFL Quarterback, it's hard to argue that any QB past or present was better then him, especially the old guys who might not have been as good as they are in today's pass happy (and more importantly Pass defense happy) NFL. They're running completely different offensive and defensive schemes today. Maybe Unitas would've been a bust. Maybe Ryan Leaf would excel. We just don't know these things. As for winning more super bowls I'm sorry last time I checked there were 10 other guys on the offense and 11 on the defense. Winning takes a team. You put peyton manning on the 0-16 Detroit Lions, guess what. He's not making the playoffs.
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Fine, I guess I have to pull out lines since best doesn't need best anymore.
Favre: 531 attempts, 4202 yards, 33 touchdowns, 7 interceptions
Brady: 538 attempts, 4398 yards, 28 touchdowns, 13 interceptions
Manning: 571 attempts, 4500 yards, 33 touchdowns, 16 interceptions
Brees: 514 attempts, 4388 yards, 34 touchdowns, 11 interceptions
Rivers: 486 attempts, 4254 yards, 28 touchdowns, 9 interceptions
So yeah, Favre was one of the better QBs. But he was certainly not "the best" and if he is, it would be incredibly debateable. This is still all assuming you don't hold the fact that he had a way easier time throwing than every other QB on the list because of his incredible running back. To even suggest that this is one of the best statistical lines ever and greatest QB seasons ever is just insulting to the position.
As to this new receivers argument, Sidney Rice is considered a top 10 receiver in the game. AP is the best all around running back in the game. Shiancoe is a top 10 tight end. In his earlier years, Freeman was one of the better receivers. Green was a pro bowl running back.
Let's not pretend that Favre had to polish crap.
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And in his prime Manning had Dallas Clark, Marvin Harrison, Reggie Wayne, and Anthony Gonzales. It's not that Favre didn't have good receivers but his receiving core is far out-shined by Manning's.
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Out of those stats, I'd say only Brees is arguable. Brady had borely more yards, five less touchdowns and a bunch more interceptions, and Manning only barely beat Favre in yards because he had 40 more throws, and still had way more interceptions.
So yeah, I'd say Brett Favre was the best. And after about game five, they were worried about Favre, not Peterson.
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And in his prime Manning had Dallas Clark, Marvin Harrison, Reggie Wayne, and Anthony Gonzales. It's not that Favre didn't have good receivers but his receiving core is far out-shined by Manning's.
Gonzales shouldn't even be in that list. Secondly, Manning's best year was when Clark was only in his second year. He wasn't yet a full time contributor (5 touchdowns, 400some yards). Wayne and Harrison are better than Freeman and Davis, sure.
Out of those stats, I'd say only Brees is arguable. Brady had borely more yards, five less touchdowns and a bunch more interceptions, and Manning only barely beat Favre in yards because he had 40 more throws, and still had way more interceptions.
So yeah, I'd say Brett Favre was the best. And after about game five, they were worried about Favre, not Peterson.
Brees clearly had a better year, Rivers arguably had the better year, and the other two are pushes purely on the fact that without them their teams were significantly worse than the Vikings without Brett.
Don't kid yourself. AP carried that team. Favre just got lucky to be the QB.
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Peyton Manning has a much better receiving core then Favre had at any point in his career, and for the last few years had to share the offense with some stellar running backs. No he didn't have the best TD to interception ratio but that's kind of what made him great. The willingness to risk it all to win the game. That's what the game is about right? I wish there was a break down of how many of those picks game in the final 2 minutes of games were they were down. I bet it's a lot of them. He was a gun slinger. Not afraid to take chances. Right now, he holds all the records for an NFL Quarterback, it's hard to argue that any QB past or present was better then him, especially the old guys who might not have been as good as they are in today's pass happy (and more importantly Pass defense happy) NFL. They're running completely different offensive and defensive schemes today. Maybe Unitas would've been a bust. Maybe Ryan Leaf would excel. We just don't know these things. As for winning more super bowls I'm sorry last time I checked there were 10 other guys on the offense and 11 on the defense. Winning takes a team. You put peyton manning on the 0-16 Detroit Lions, guess what. He's not making the playoffs.
Even if you can say that Manning has had a better receivers, I don't think Favre was near as important to his team as Manning is to his. I mean look at what happens, Manning goes down and the Colts team has suddenly gone from a playoff team that's a superbowl contender to one of the worst teams in the league. Manning clearly outshines Favre in my mind.
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I agree that Manning outshines Favre. I think when it's said and done Brady will be the best though (which stinks because I really hate him).
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I agree that Manning outshines Favre. I think when it's said and done Brady will be the best though (which stinks because I really hate him).
Eh, I'm going to have to go with the same line of logic of Manning is more important to his team. When Manning goes out, the losses pile up, when Brady went out, his team still won double-digit games with Cassel. I feel like the Patriots have a better system that wins even without Brady. I'm not saying Brady is not a great quarterback, but I feel Manning has to carry his team much more than Brady has to carry his, and Manning does it so well.
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Are you kidding me? What's the Vikings' record right now?
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We don't really know how the teams favre was on would have done without him. Aaron Rodgers was trained to be the starter and was supposed to be the next #1 QB when he took over so that one doesn't really count and considering Favre only missed like what 5 games his whole career and when he went down the former #1 took over again (and they sucked by the way) and had AP to lean on when Favre went down. I think the current state of the colts says just as much if not more about the current state of the colts then about manning. I mean how are you that bad from losing one player? They planned the whole team around him. Even the defense is set up around him, they're set up as a big play, pass stopping, defense because they're used to playing with 20 point leads and the other team has to go for a hail mary on every play. What other team in the NFL does that? Pats lost Brady and a guy who hadn't started since high school stepped in and led them to the playoffs. It's more of a failing on the colts part to realize they are going to be without manning some day then Peyton Manning being a God among men
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We don't really know how the teams favre was on would have done without him. Aaron Rodgers was trained to be the starter and was supposed to be the next #1 QB when he took over so that one doesn't really count and considering Favre only missed like what 5 games his whole career and when he went down the former #1 took over again (and they sucked by the way) and had AP to lean on when Favre went down. I think the current state of the colts says just as much if not more about the current state of the colts then about manning. I mean how are you that bad from losing one player? They planned the whole team around him. Even the defense is set up around him, they're set up as a big play, pass stopping, defense because they're used to playing with 20 point leads and the other team has to go for a hail mary on every play. What other team in the NFL does that? Pats lost Brady and a guy who hadn't started since high school stepped in and led them to the playoffs. It's more of a failing on the colts part to realize they are going to be without manning some day then Peyton Manning being a God among men
Going to have to correct you son something there, the season that Brady went out, the Patriots did not make the playoffs.
Are you kidding me? What's the Vikings' record right now?
They also had a terrible record when Farve was there last year, so clearly Farve was not carrying his team.
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He was like 80 years old though. ;)
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Can we talk about the new star in Aaron Rogers. 3-0 for the Packers!!!
New? He's been great since he started on the Packers, but yeah this year he's playing excellently. #1 QB rating! Go Packers!
Since the Packers? Aaron Rodgers was a beast in college at the University of California.
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Going to have to correct you son something there, the season that Brady went out, the Patriots did not make the playoffs.
Okay sorry they were 11-5 which would have been enough to make the playoffs pretty much any other year but the dolphins decided they wanted to be good for a year (and then were promptly eliminated in the wild card for trying to upset the balance of the AFC east) The point is they did pretty good considering they lost their star QB and had to go with a guy who hadn't started since high school. The Patriots also lost Brady during the season so they had no time to prepare, the Colts knew there was a possibility of Manning not playing long before the preseason started and by the last week of the preseason they knew for sure he wasn't going to playing the first few weeks. they had time to prepare and didn't. The organization failed.
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Are you kidding me? What's the Vikings' record right now?
3-0 if it weren't for a stupid idea called the fourth quarter... ::)
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McNabb is also probably one of the worst QBs in the NFL right now. Andy Reid looks like a genius
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Are you kidding me? What's the Vikings' record right now?
3-0 if it weren't for a stupid idea called the fourth quarter... ::)
They're actually doing worse in the 3rd quarter.
Just saying. ;)
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Are you kidding me? What's the Vikings' record right now?
3-0 if it weren't for a stupid idea called the fourth quarter... ::)
They're actually doing worse in the 3rd quarter.
Just saying. ;)
Yes, but if the game ended after three quarters, the Vikings would have won 3 games by hanging on to a lead despite a rally that fell short by their opponents.
Anyway, carry on. At least we have the Chiefs this weekend. Which means we should put up about 30 points in the first half to the Chiefs' 3, and then hopefully hang on to win 30-28 or so...
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Are you kidding me? What's the Vikings' record right now?
3-0 if it weren't for a stupid idea called the fourth quarter... ::)
They're actually doing worse in the 3rd quarter.
Just saying. ;)
Yes, but if the game ended after three quarters, the Vikings would have won 3 games by hanging on to a lead despite a rally that fell short by their opponents.
Anyway, carry on. At least we have the Chiefs this weekend. Which means we should put up about 30 points in the first half to the Chiefs' 3, and then hopefully hang on to win 30-28 or so...
>:( Unless Tamba Hali has a field day with Donovan Mccnab...
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I agree that Manning outshines Favre. I think when it's said and done Brady will be the best though (which stinks because I really hate him).
You forget, Farve broke almost every record a QB can brake (and almost every bone), Including the most games started in a row (which makes me wonder how he could brake every bone and still play?). But Manning could never do that.
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Are you kidding me? What's the Vikings' record right now?
3-0 if it weren't for a stupid idea called the fourth quarter... ::)
So I suppose we could say 1.5-1.5 to make ourselves feel better.
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You forget, Farve broke almost every record a QB can brake (and almost every bone), Including the most games started in a row (which makes me wonder how he could brake every bone and still play?). But Manning could never do that.
This quote is completely false. Exactly what record did Favre break while he supposedly had a broken throwing hand?
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He never said at the same time. He said he broke every bone, AND broke every record. He never broke his hand, per se, but has broken a foot, sprained an ankle, and broke a thumb.
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The quote is still completely false, so I don't really see the point of defending it. Though I do agree, Favre was so good at breaking records he broke records of incompetance like most interceptions.
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There is no doubt in my mind that Brett Favre is a future Hall of Famer, and deservedly so. I don't agree with the premise that he is the greatest ever.
However, I find it unnecessary to take cheap shots at Peyton Manning, while he's injured, using unsourced claims to attempt a comparison between Manning and Favre. There is no correlation between their past/present injuries and their ability to continue playing through such injuries. If one breaks the thumb on their non-throwing hand, but keeps playing, that is not even remotely a close comparison to the other breaking the thumb on his throwing hand and not playing.
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And let's not get started on Tony Romo's pinky...
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So, now that (hopefully) this thread can go back to predict the current NFL season, I want to talk about my new favorite* team: The Detroit Lions. Their "never say die attitude" seems to be the exact opposite of my home team's "quit while we're ahead even with a half yet to play" attitude. How long will they go undefeated? 4-0? 7-0? 11-0? 16-0?
Who do you think will be the first team to beat them?
Chicago (Week 5)
San Francisco (Week 6)
Atlanta (Week 7)
@Denver (Week 8)
@Chicago (Week 10)
Carolina (Week 11)
Green Bay (Week 12)
@New Orleans (Week 13)
Minnesota (Week 14)
@Oakland (Week 15)
San Diego (Week 16
@Green Bay (Week 17)
First loss is in playoffs
Perfect Season complete with Super Bowl rings
I predict that they lose when they head to Chicago in Week 10, but they'll be perfect until then.
*The Vikings are still my favorite team. They just haven't given me much to cheer for this season. Oh well. There's always next season, as they say (pretty much every year in MN).
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They won't beat Green Bay so at most they make it to week 12 but honestly, I think Chicago will take them down one of the two times they play. Atlanta will be a tough one. So they'll lose one in one of the following weeks.
Chicago (Week 5)
Atlanta (Week 7)
@Chicago (Week 10)
Green Bay (Week 12)
if they make it to 12 and 0 i'll eat my own foot.
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They won't beat Green Bay so at most they make it to week 12 but honestly, I think Chicago will take them down one of the two times they play. Atlanta will be a tough one. So they'll lose one in one of the following weeks.
Chicago (Week 5)
Atlanta (Week 7)
@Chicago (Week 10)
Green Bay (Week 12)
if they make it to 12 and 0 i'll eat my own foot.
I don't think they'll beat Green Bay either, then again, they've surprised me the past two weeks (well, last week was less of a surprise and more of a sad, sad, confirmation of reality). I think they have the advantage over Chicago when at home, but Soldier Field only gets tougher to play in later in the season, and the Bears are not likely to give up a big lead, especially at home.
Honestly, though, I see them winning at least 12 games, and forcing the Pack to keep playing at their (unbelievably painful to watch) high level. The Thanksgiving matchup will probably be one of the greatest Thanksgiving games ever.
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I think they'll make it to Green Bay without a loss. Up until then... it's looking like Calvin "Highlight reel" Johnson is going to be having some more 2TD games.
Seriously let's talk about that... 4 game in a ROW with 2 TDs? That's crazy.
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So, now that (hopefully) this thread can go back to predict the current NFL season, I want to talk about my new favorite* team: The Detroit Lions. Their "never say die attitude" seems to be the exact opposite of my home team's "quit while we're ahead even with a half yet to play" attitude. How long will they go undefeated? 4-0? 7-0? 11-0? 16-0?
Who do you think will be the first team to beat them?
Chicago (Week 5)
San Francisco (Week 6)
Atlanta (Week 7)
@Denver (Week 8)
@Chicago (Week 10)
Carolina (Week 11)
Green Bay (Week 12)
@New Orleans (Week 13)
Minnesota (Week 14)
@Oakland (Week 15)
San Diego (Week 16
@Green Bay (Week 17)
First loss is in playoffs
Perfect Season complete with Super Bowl rings
I predict that they lose when they head to Chicago in Week 10, but they'll be perfect until then.
*The Vikings are still my favorite team. They just haven't given me much to cheer for this season. Oh well. There's always next season, as they say (pretty much every year in MN).
My buddies and I watch football at my house since I have Sunday Ticket. Three weeks ago we were already talking about bandwagon Lions' fans. One of my buddies has been a true Lions fan for the past 40 years. He was raised in Flint, MI. Oddly, the bandwagon fans do not bother him. However, my other buddy is a die-hard Vikings fan. Bandwagon Lions' fans bother him. I just enjoy watching the banter between the two. ;)
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Yeah, I'm about as much of a bandwagon fan as can be: at the nearest sign of a crumble, I will ditch them in a heartbeat. But I figure the Vikings are already four games behind in the NFC North, and their schedule only gets harder now that we lost to the one team we should have eaaily beaten. So the best way for the next best thing to a Vikings miracle turnaround to occur, that being a GB fail, is for the Lions to do well.
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I'm not exactly rooting for the Lions but I'm definitely becoming a fan of Calvin Johnson. "Megatron" is hands-down the most dominant WR in the game right now (Wes Welker is talented, but I believe his success is more due to the system he plays in).
Being that the Vikings are out of contention, I'm now entirely focused on winning my fantasy football league so on any given week, I'm a fan of (or rooting against) about 16 different players... :P
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I'm not exactly rooting for the Lions but I'm definitely becoming a fan of Calvin Johnson. "Megatron" is hands-down the most dominant WR in the game right now (Wes Welker is talented, but I believe his success is more due to the system he plays in).
Any time a 5'9" 180 lb. wide receiver can be named in the same breath as a 6'5" 235-lb. wide receiver, it's a victory for the little guy. ;)
So, now that (hopefully) this thread can go back to predict the current NFL season, I want to talk about my new favorite* team: The Detroit Lions.
It's hard not to root for the underdog, unless they are playing your team.
Unfortunately, I will make my prediction that they lose to the 49ers at home. Their run is inspiring, but their weaknesses are glaring. I think SF has the system and personnel that will expose those weaknesses.
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I predict....
That Brady will break the single season passing record for yards
Welker will break the single season reception record for yards (and maybe touchdowns)
LeSean McCoy will be the rushing leader with 1600ish yards
and the colts will get the #1 draft pick
my life stinks because this was suppose to be the year that we win the superbowl...in INdianapolis
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So, now that (hopefully) this thread can go back to predict the current NFL season, I want to talk about my new favorite* team: The Detroit Lions.
It's hard not to root for the underdog, unless they are playing your team.
Unfortunately, I will make my prediction that they lose to the 49ers at home. Their run is inspiring, but their weaknesses are glaring. I think SF has the system and personnel that will expose those weaknesses.
As a die-hard 49er fan since 1976, I hope you're right. ;)
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The Lions will go 15-1, not losing until week 14.
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The lions will go undefeated until the Ravens beat them in the superbowl.
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Lions vs. Packers in the NFC Championship!
Moter city kitties crush 40-10
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Moter city kitties
Stealing this.
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Moter city kitties
Stealing this.
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I've never heard them called that before, but that's what I'm calling them from now on. Thus I stole the name from you and I was letting you know ;D
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Ahhhhhhhhh
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I've never heard them called that before, but that's what I'm calling them from now on. Thus I stole the name from you and I was letting you know ;D
First mentioned on page 2 of this thread. Of course, I've been using the nickname since the early 80's. ;)
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i missed a few pages of this thread. I thought we were still on page 3
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i missed a few pages of this thread. I thought we were still on page 3
Yeah all the sudden I looked at this tread and I was shocked to see it at p6.
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THE VIKINGS WIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
:rollin: :rollin: :rollin: :rollin: :rollin: ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
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Stamp,
We should have a party where only fans that root for NFC teams leading their divisions can come. 8)
I wasn't thrilled that my Redskins tossed Carlos Rogers in the offseason, but I was glad to see him get that pick 6 today.
Kirk
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So could both Lions and Packers fans come if the Lions win tomorrow?
Who else is kind of hoping that both of them remain undefeated until Week 12's Thanksgiving game?
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Stamp,
We should have a party where only fans that root for NFC teams leading their divisions can come. 8)
I wasn't thrilled that my Redskins tossed Carlos Rogers in the offseason, but I was glad to see him get that pick 6 today.
Kirk
Believe me...I am shocked right now! :o 48-3??!! The announcers made my day reminding the audience the last time the 49ers won by that much...the '90 SB - 55 to 10 over Elway-led Denver. Ah, good times!
So could both Lions and Packers fans come if the Lions win tomorrow?
Who else is kind of hoping that both of them remain undefeated until Week 12's Thanksgiving game?
I was hoping up until I noticed that the Lions and 49ers play next week. ;D
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So could both Lions and Packers fans come if the Lions win tomorrow?
Who else is kind of hoping that both of them remain undefeated until Week 12's Thanksgiving game?
As epic as it would be, now that the Vikings have begun the rally to save their season, we need both the Lions and Packers to lose as many games as possible.
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Lions vs. Packers in the NFC Championship!
Moter city kitties crush 40-10
You might be delirious if you believe this. As good as the Lions are, they are still only the second best team in their division. You say, " but they are tied with GB for the lead." To that I say, you are correct, but when it gets down to the nitty gritty, the Packers know how to win the big games and the Lions do not.GB has a top 3 QB, the lions only have a top 12-15 QB. Just throwing the ball up to the best receiver in the game and letting him out jump everyone is not that great. Lets see Stafford make some of the throws Rodgers makes into those tight windows, and then we can start talking Superbowl. Also, where is the Lions running game? You can not expect the Lions to make it through the season and the playoffs with a one trick pony, Stafford to Johnson. This is coming from a lifelong Packers fan, not a bandwagoneer.
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Javid Best this season > Ryan Grant this season
Grant has done nothing this year, if either teams offense is a one trick pony it's the Packers. Rodgers has more weapons then most teams have receivers. Stafford only throws to Johnson because he has no one else to throw too. Pettigrew's okay but he's not that great. I'm not sure which team is actually better and I'll wait till the actual game to find out, but your argument isn't valid. Their Defenses are about equal. If the Lions win tonight that should do enough to prove that they can win big games.
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So could both Lions and Packers fans come if the Lions win tomorrow?
Who else is kind of hoping that both of them remain undefeated until Week 12's Thanksgiving game?
Yes, I have nothing against either of those teams. :)
I think that would be a ridiculously awesome game if they were both 11-0 at that point, but I doubt it will happen. I still think it will be a great game to watch.
Kirk
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Javid Best this season > Ryan Grant this season
Grant has done nothing this year, if either teams offense is a one trick pony it's the Packers. Rodgers has more weapons then most teams have receivers. Stafford only throws to Johnson because he has no one else to throw too. Pettigrew's okay but he's not that great. I'm not sure which team is actually better and I'll wait till the actual game to find out, but your argument isn't valid. Their Defenses are about equal. If the Lions win tonight that should do enough to prove that they can win big games.
Grant isn't even GB's best running back, James Starks can run circles around Grant. The only thing that Best has done this season is catch passes out of the backfield. Best has not run better than the Starks/Grant split so far this season. Also, Best is tiny and is pretty much like a Reggie Bush. The Lions hve no one to pound the rock up the middle. GB can use Starks for speed and Grant is someone who rarely fumbles and can get you those tough yards. Also, beating the third best team in the NFC North on monday night is hardly winning a big game. The lions are not even used to winning, let alone a big game. Don't get me wrong, I love that the Lions are doing good this year, but when they play the Pack its gonna be the same ol story. Packers win!
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You might be delirious if you believe this. As good as the Lions are, they are still only the second best team in their division. You say, " but they are tied with GB for the lead." To that I say, you are correct, but when it gets down to the nitty gritty, the Packers know how to win the big games and the Lions do not.GB has a top 3 QB, the lions only have a top 12-15 QB. Just throwing the ball up to the best receiver in the game and letting him out jump everyone is not that great. Lets see Stafford make some of the throws Rodgers makes into those tight windows, and then we can start talking Superbowl. Also, where is the Lions running game? You can not expect the Lions to make it through the season and the playoffs with a one trick pony, Stafford to Johnson. This is coming from a lifelong Packers fan, not a bandwagoneer.
Packers are 21st in rushing, lions are 31st. But given that the lions are top 10 defense and Packers are 30, I'd give rushing overall to Lions. I do think Packers can win, because Rodgers is the best quarterback in the league, but rushing is not even close to the issue. The Lions do have a decent shot at beating the Packers though, Matthew Stafford may only have one receiver, but he's THE BEST and the Packers' defense is looking weak this season.
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So about that Jahvid Best ::) (posted 5 seconds after his 88 yard TD run
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So he had two large runs of 88 and 43 yards. His other carries on the night were 10 attempts for 32 yards, not that great. Did he have a nice night? Yes, absolutely. Is he a better back than Ryan Grant or James Starks? Probably. Is he on his own better than the packers running game? Probably not.
Lions: 298 Yards through week 4. After week 5: 474
Packers: 495 Yards through week 4. After week 5: 553
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Cumulative Rushing Defense Rankings of Lions opponents: 74
Cumulative Rushing Defense Rankings of Packers Opponents: 101
Cumulative Rushing Attempts by Jahvid Best: 72
Cumulative Rushing Attempts by Ryan Grant + James Starks: 96
Jahvid Best Rushing Average : 4.9 yards/carry
James Starks Rushing Average: 4.4 yards/carry
Ryan Grant Rushing Average: 4.5 yards/carry
Jahvid Best TD Totals: 2
Ryan Grant + James Starks TD Totals: 1
So completely disregarding the fact that Best is doing the work of 2 backs BY HIMSELF, he's still doing better in every statistical category except yards (24 less rushing attempts than GBs duo) and while facing tougher rushing defenses.
Once again.
Jahvid Best > Ryan Grant + James Starks
As for which TEAM is actually better. More Math time.
Cumulative Record of Detroit's opponents: 10-14
Cumulative Record of Green Bay Opponents 10-14
Average win spread of Detroit: 14.8 points
Average win spread of Green Bay: 12.4 points
The Packers average .8 points more then the Lions, but Detroit's defense is holding opponents to 1.6 less points then the Packers D. It's 2 a.m. so I'm gonna stop doing math now. Do I think the Lions are better then the Packers? I'm not sure. But to say that thinking they could be makes you "delusional" is just stupid. They're arguably the two best teams in the NFL and only there games this year can decide which team is better.
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I'm positive they said on the game last night that Best yard per carry average was 3 point something, not 4. Before the football discussion becomes less than friendly, I will quit commenting on this subject. Keep the faith my man, keep the faith. NFC North Pride-Lions and Pack.
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All of those numbers are taken right from NFL.com and include all week 5 games
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All I know is that Jahvid Best took down my only remaining undefeated fantasy team. Of course, I still had a chance at the end of the game if Cutler could have thrown a TD...but it IS Cutler after all. :laugh:
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All I know is that Jahvid Best took down my only remaining undefeated fantasy team. Of course, I still had a chance at the end of the game if Cutler could have thrown a TD...but it IS Cutler after all. :laugh:
This is the first week I've actually gotten to see Cutler play and not just looked at his stats, and all I can say is the man is doing a better job then most could with his offensive line. He got a chance to set his feet to make the throw ONCE throughout the whole game. Give that man a decent offensive line and he might well be one of the better NFL QBs. I feel bad for him, he's getting a terrible wrap and it's not at all his fault.
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All I know is that Jahvid Best took down my only remaining undefeated fantasy team. Of course, I still had a chance at the end of the game if Cutler could have thrown a TD...but it IS Cutler after all. :laugh:
I was actually :laugh: impressed with Cutler last night. If it wasnt for some clutch passes under insane pressure, the game wouldn't have been close.
As for Best, he helped me win my fantasy game. I was down by 15 with Best to play and my opponent had Chicago's D/ST. His 88 yd. TD gave me the lead, and his 44 yd. ruah sealed t.he deal.