Why would an underinflated ball help you?I could have been a mistake... maybe they messed up the other team?
The colts kept the underinflated balls they intercepted.Oh, thanks for catching that! ;)
According to what I heard - an under inflated ball is easier to throw and catch in bad weather games.I wonder who under inflated the balls? A coach, or was it an accident?
Dose it make a difference? Who cares, the point is the patriots organization has deliberately broken a league rule to attempt to gain an advantage. aka cheated. (again)
Yes but Ballghazi seems to imply that something of sinister nature happened in a certain country lately. We all know that couldn't have actually be the case.
Yes but Ballghazi seems to imply that something of sinister nature happened in a certain country lately. We all know that couldn't have actually be the case.
"Spot the Republican" is really, really easy on these boards.
it's like spotting a tree in a forest because it's literally the only thing hereThat's because the vast majority of people are Christian, and thus follow Christian values unlike dirty liberals.
it's like spotting a tree in a forest because it's literally the only thing hereThat's because the vast majority of people are Christian, and thus follow Christian values unlike dirty liberals.
Every one does this. That's been confirmed by every former player or coach that's been asked, and several current players have talked about it. The only reason this blew up is because it's the Patriots and everybody wants reasons to hate them. move along.
Every one does this. That's been confirmed by every former player or coach that's been asked, and several current players have talked about it. The only reason this blew up is because it's the Patriots and everybody wants reasons to hate them. move along.
This describes Spygate fairly accurately as well.
Spygate is slightly different in that a memo was sent out that year to stop doing it. But yes in much the same way everyone did that, and it only turned in to an issue because Eric Mangini used it as a way to get some kind of pay back on Belichick by ratting him out and making a way bigger deal about it than needed to be made.
Every one does this.The NFL tested the balls used by the Colts at halftime of the AFC Championship also. Surprisingly, they were all at regulation. So at least one team does *not* do it.
Nation Can’t Wait To Hear Patriots Fans’ Excuses This Time
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“No, no, by all means, go ahead,” said every single person living outside of Massachusetts, New Hampshire, Vermont, Maine, Rhode Island, and Connecticut before reportedly smiling and adding, “I’m all ears.”
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The fact is: Even if the patriots cheated, it wouldn't affect the outcome of the game, they creamed them around 45 to 7!
The issue is whether or not they intentionally cheated.That is going to be hard to figure out, even if they do, what will the consequences be?
The Patriots may have found the culprit that was deflating the game balls. As it turns out, it was the same guy that used a snowplow to set up the Patriots' game-winning field goal against the Dolphins years ago. :o
Interestingly, there is speculation that he is the same guy that poured red paint on Curt Shilling's sock. :o :o
For the record, I am extremely disappointed with my Patriots. Clearly someone altered the game balls. Regardless of what effect it would have actually made, written rules and procedures were broken intentionally (it would seem). As a Christian, I cannot condone this type of behavior, just because "everybody's doing it" (except the Colts). Rules are rules, and they must make a difference, otherwise why would the rule even be there?
I drive 5 mph over the speed limit on a regular basis. Everybody around me does the same or more. If a trooper decides to pull me over on any given Sunday, I can't expect the excuses we like to give to prevent me from having to pay a fine. I would expect the Patriots to have some sort of punishment, and deservedly so. Rules are rules. As a Patriots fan, I'm certainly glad they enforced the obscure "Tuck Rule." ;)
Tom Brady's claim that he felt absolutely no difference between under-inflated and regulation footballs in the AFC championship game.This is ridicules, I think he is lying! :o
I don't know about where you live but in NY Cops are specifically taught not to pull someone over for anything less than 10 MPH over because anything less can be argued down in court to a parking ticket or less and it's a waste of the state's time
I would have them redo the whole game!
There is no precedence to believe that Brady is lying, as he hasn't really ever been caught in a lie before.
If the Colts started towards the top end of that range, it is possible that while all of the balls deflated due to an external factor, only the Patriots' balls actually ended up under the legal limit.Just for my own curiosity what do you think this external factor would be? Can you also explain why this external factor did not effect the Patriots' balls in the second half? (According to reports the balls were re-inflated and checked by refs at half time to and rechecked for legality at the end of the game--passing both times).
If the Colts started towards the top end of that range, it is possible that while all of the balls deflated due to an external factor, only the Patriots' balls actually ended up under the legal limit.Just for my own curiosity what do you think this external factor would be? Can you also explain why this external factor did not effect the Patriots' balls in the second half? (According to reports the balls were re-inflated and checked by refs at half time to and rechecked for legality at the end of the game--passing both times).
So you do not find it suspicious that they inflate their game balls in a sauna? :oSneaky, sneaky. They sure earned a bad reputation for themselves!
Or is really that much hotter in the Patriots locker room than the Colts' locker room? :scratch:
So you do not find it suspicious that they inflate their game balls in a sauna? :o
Or is really that much hotter in the Patriots locker room than the Colts' locker room? :scratch:
Sneaky, sneaky. They sure earned a bad reputation for themselves!
1. Did the balls for Tom Brady not feel different because he has been using under inflated balls for years, or this year at least?
2. If the colts had a higher PSI by a full pound at the start of the game (this is your speculation, the NFL has not confirmed this) and the balls deflated approximately equally. why is there now a 2lbs discrepancy?
3. If the colts balls where inflated to 13.5 and the patriots to 12.5 wouldnt the increased psi on the colts mean an increased deflation speed? Wouldnt that close the 1 psi descrepency rather than enlarge it?
But what has the NFL really found? As one league source has explained it to PFT, the football intercepted by Colts linebacker D’Qwell Jackson was roughly two pounds under the 12.5 PSI minimum. The other 10 balls that reportedly were two pounds under may have been, as the source explained it, closer to one pound below 12.5 PSI.
The NFL has yet to share specific information regarding the PSI measurements of the balls that were confiscated and measured at halftime. Which has allowed the perception of cheating to linger, fueled by the confirmation from Friday that the NFL found underinflated balls, but that the NFL still doesn’t know how they came to be that way.
“The goals of the investigation will be to determine the explanation for why footballs used in the game were not in compliance with the playing rules and specifically whether any noncompliance was the result of deliberate action,” the league said. “We have not made any judgments on these points and will not do so until we have concluded our investigation and considered all of the relevant evidence.”
You mean, of course 10.5 PSI--'cause the one turned in following the Colt interception was 2 pounds under the required minimum.Quote1. Did the balls for Tom Brady not feel different because he has been using under inflated balls for years, or this year at least?
Inflate a football to 12.5 PSI, then deflate it to 11.5 PSI and feel the difference. The impact of that small a change is fairly minimal.
It's also important to remember, as Chris just pointed out, that there is not much difference at all between a ball that is inflated to 10.5-11.0 PSI and a ball at 12.5 PSI.Well, I know Chris has claimed that repeatedly, but both fans and former players disagree. So maybe it is not so important to remember that. ;)
You mean, of course 10.5 PSI--'cause the one turned in following the Colt interception was 2 pounds under the required minimum.Unless you have a statement from the NFL confirming that, you can't really claim that as a fact. There are conflicting reports on how many balls were under-inflated and just how under-inflated they were.
Here (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jio5IEKzrqk) is a video of fans doing your test.So just what was the difference between those two balls? The video never says. Moreover, how many people said they could tell the difference and how many said they couldn't? Without this information, that video is next to meaningless. Even with that video, the fact that random people are being handed those balls on the street as opposed to in the AFC Championship Game means the results don't really properly measure what they're supposed to.
But maybe your average folks off the street aren't the best judges. What do former players say? Here (http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=12205404) is a video of former players doing the same test.This video is even worse. The under-inflated ball they were given was at 10 PSI. Nobody is claiming that the Patriots' balls were at 10 PSI, and of course it's going to feel different when it's a change of 2.5 PSI. Plus, again, these players are being asked to measure that in the middle of a TV studio, and they're given ample time to anticipate the difference. This test is not really measuring anything particularly significant to the AFC Championship Game because it's an entirely different set of circumstances.
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Everyone else is doing is not a legit answer.
Pushing the envelope is not legal in the NFL and it's not about the one game. It's about what it represents for the Patriots brand, Bellicheck, Brady and Kraft. 2 times now publicly exposed the fear is that they have a culture in fox borough, a culture of "pushing the envelope."
Rather, my question is why are people making such a huge fuss over this?
Literally anyone in this topic who is condemning the Patriots for this right now is basing every single one of their assumptions on a single report. Absolutely everything since then has speculation, with virtually anyone with any kind of authority either ignoring it or talking about how stupid it is. The only entity that stands to profit from it is the same one that started it: ESPN. If you are honestly convinced the Patriots did this intentionally at this stage, you must really not care about a little thing called "evidence," because right now, there isn't any.
Show me any actual real evidence of intentional wrongdoing by the Patriots.Like I said:
There is no real Proof out there, everything is opinionated and assumed, however, those opinions are strong.
Lost total respect for the article when it said this isn't random chance when obviously it could be random chance
There are conflicting reports on how many balls were under-inflated and just how under-inflated they were. [emphasis mine--mjb]
Literally anyone in this topic who is condemning the Patriots for this right now is basing every single one of their assumptions on a single report. [emphasis mine--mjb]
Oh, I see now.... Chris has been trolling us the whole time. Shame on me for not seeing it sooner. LOL. You got me. ;DDon't feel bad YMT, until the above I thought he was being serious also. ;D
Again statistical 0By that logic, evolution could never happen...
Literally anyone in this topic who is condemning the Patriots for this right now is basing every single one of their assumptions on a single report. [emphasis mine--mjb]
http://www.boston.com/sports/football/patriots/2015/01/25/patriots-fumble-nearly-impossible-rate/LCgrlUR9qgxDsIgcal9dUI/story.html (http://www.boston.com/sports/football/patriots/2015/01/25/patriots-fumble-nearly-impossible-rate/LCgrlUR9qgxDsIgcal9dUI/story.html)This article (http://drewfustin.com/2015/01/27/patriots-fumble-comments/) (obligatory warning for brief language) pretty much debunks every single assertion that Warren Sharp makes in his analysis. The tl;dr version is that it was cherry picked analysis that at best was lazy and at worst was intentionally misleading. Either way, anyone who knows a thing about statistics knows that Sharp's analysis of New England's plays-per-fumble rate is garbage.
Wow! this thread has turned into a heated debate of opinions! :oIf you have nothing to contribute to the heated debate, perhaps reconsider posting.
Ban N.E. from the playoffs for a couple of years like the NCAA does.Why ban the whole area for the mistake of just one team?
Oddly enough, 2007 was the Patriot's "big F you"* season of 16-0. Karma killed that in the end.
Bottom line: my opinion is that the NFL needs to nip this in the bud once and for all. Ban N.E. from the playoffs for a couple of years like the NCAA does.
(* Media term, not mine.)
So we're all up to date on the fact that the Patriots have pretty much been completely cleared of intentional wrongdoing, right?In the article the only thing close to an official NFL source was Goddell's "we have no judgments," which strikes me as a less than ringing endorsement of Patriot innocence. Everything else was attributed to "multiple sources." This is exactly the type of sourcing you were decrying a week or so back.
In a report that was confirmed by the NFL,Can you point me to where the NFL has confirmed Ian Rappaport's report?
all but one of the balls were only a "tick" below the legal limit (http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000466783/article/more-details-on-the-investigation-of-patriots-deflated-footballs).This is simply false. According to the report--of the eleven balls, one was about two pounds under, several were about a pound under, and several more were a tick below the legal limit.
In other words, when I stated earlier in this thread that anyone convinced the Patriots did it didn't care about evidence and that condemnation of the Patriots was just speculation based on a single report, I was spot on.And you are claiming vindication "based on a single report" which uses precisely the same type of sourcing you were complaining about earlier. Why is it OK now to go with what "several sources say" where other people relying on similarly-sourced stories was bad, bad, bad?