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So your hatred carries over throughout your life into other forums. How pathetic.

P.S. Watch the language in this forum.

So your hatred carries over throughout your life into other forums. How pathetic.

P.S. Watch the language in this forum.

I didn't actually read the rest of the thread, but I'm going to go ahead and say this is actually really, really [uncharacteristic] of you, YMT. I'm not aiming for a confrontation or anything of that nature, but I'm actually kind of shocked you'd jump straight for words like "pathetic".

[decided to keep the flames down in this thread by editing that for you, since it was ironic for you to criticize jumping straight to an inflammatory word by using one yourself]

Oh and thanks for that, I thought we were having a discussion related to sports but apparently having an opinion about something makes me pathetic. I will keep that in mind.

There is having an opinion, and then there is having passion. The only thing that I have seen from Tebow haters is passion. That passion can't possibly be from his numbers. If you look at your statistics between Orton and Tebow, the differences are negligible when you consider that one was 1-4 and the other 6-1. Instead, the passion comes from hating what he stands for. If Tebow were not so passionate about his faith, then his haters would not be so passionate.

Therein lies the true issue of Tebow haters... lack of faith. As a Christian, I can understand the power of faith. Faith changed my life, right to the very core. Faith can help me do things that I never thought possible. Faith produces results in areas of my life that I never had any results in before.

For those who lack faith, there is no way to comprehend its power. Denver's defenseive players play better now than they did under Orton (and better than they first did under Tebow) because they are starting to gain faith. Granted, it is not the same faith that I have, or that Tebow has. But, faith accomplishes change in a person's life regardless.

Your lack of faith is what makes you short-sighted in this case, through no fault of your own. I do find that pathetic, although not in the sense the word makes it seem. I apologize for making it sound like you have "no life," since that is the connotation that "pathetic" seems to have carried in this case. What I meant was that I feel sympathy toward you since you do not see what I see. You are blinded by hatred, not for Tebow directly, but for the faith he professes and produces in others. Even my use of the word "hatred" may seem overly "uncharacteristic," but ultimately I believe that Tebow bashers are really resisting faith. It is the length that some will go to resist faith that demonstrates hatred for it (in my opinion).

If you search for them, you will find plenty of numbers that will make Tebow look horrific. I just don't understand the passion to find those numbers in the first place. Tebow is 6-1 as a starter, and has 11 passing TDs versus only 2 INTs. The offensive players have faith in him. The defensive players have faith in him, and the fans have faith in him. Even the coach, who adopted a unique college-style offense just for Tebow, believes in him. Faith is what is carrying the Denver Broncos right now, and there is no arguing the results.

My personal challenge to you is to give up the resistance, at least temporarily, and give faith a try. If you put as much passion into searching for faith (in God, not Tebow  ), then you will start to see its power to change lives. You had to have put a lot time and effort into that post from the other forum. Your logic is not faulty (Tebow's numbers are not good overall), but I think it is misguided. If you put that kind of effort into understanding what God has to offer, then I think your life could take on a whole new meaning.

Believe me when I say that you are no different than me when I was your age. At that time I was pathetic, because all of my skills and gifts were used for meaningless purposes. Thankfully, God took pity on me and showed me how to find faith. My life changed irrevocibly, and I have been happy ever since. Although I do not always state my intentions very well, please understand that my greatest desire is for you to find the happiness that I have found. But I know the obstacles that you face make that seem improbable (or perhaps impossible). But know this: nothing is impossible with God.

I'm not going to post on this thread anymore for two reasons: 1) I have caused this thread to go off topic (congrats to RG3 on the Heisman) and 2) I don't want to say something that sounds negative because I choose my words poorly and don't take enough time to explain myself completely. I will gladly talk Tebow with you in a different thread or in PM. However, I would much rather talk faith with you. I know you have tremendous potential for God, and my true wish is that you would give faith a try so that you can see what most of us here on this forum see so clearly: God loves you so much that you were worth dying for. Let God give your life new direction and you will see the true power of faith. 

If you think my opinion of Tim Tebow is at all influenced by his faith than I have nothing more to say to you. No, I'm not a Christian, but I went to a Christian College, I play a Christian card game, and I friends with many devote Christians, what makes you think I have any problem whatsoever with Christianity? Tebow isn't even the most public Christian in the NFL, Troy Polamalu is. My opinion of Tim Tebow has absolutely nothing to do with this faith, it wouldn't matter if he were a Muslim, atheist, Buddhist or anything else. For you too even assume that people hate Tim Tebow for being a Christian is incredibly short sighted and bigotted. If that were the case than I wouldn't be able to watch football. Pretty much every player or coach ever starts of their post game press conference or interviews by thanking God. If that were the problem there would be very few people in the NFL that I didn't hate.

[some good points above, lets not lose focus]

Tim Tebow's initials are TT, which is known to be a crying emoticon.
Kyle Orton's initials are KO, which represents how he knocks out the competition.
Therefore, KO is better.

QED.

Tim Tebow's initials are TT, which is known to be a crying emoticon.
Kyle Orton's initials are KO, which represents how he knocks out the competition.
Therefore, KO is better.

Tim Tebow's middle name is Gary, making his initials TGT, which represents how OP he is. pwnt.

The above may or may not be true...

Quote from: Daniel TS RED on December 12, 2011, 12:30:42 PM

If it was all about: the throwing motion, option style offense, or the solid defense behind him, then no-one would care about Tebow. When people that want nothing to do with God talk about Tebow's relationship with God, you know the Tebow story is more than just about sports. I hope he keeps winning and his next loss is against the Giants in the SuperBowl  .

The only person in this thread who brought up got was YMT. I then responded to him. People care about Tebow because he was a first round draft pick and he's charismatic. He's a likeable guy. So was JP Losman, and I'd be willing to bet Losman's NFL career lasts longer than Tebow's (He's currently the back up to Miami if anyone is interested)

That's just obviously false. If no one cares about his faith, why do I hear about it every single time I watch the Broncos? Why has kneeling become known as Tebowing? Why did Kurt Warner (one of the more well known Christian Quarterbacks ever) get asked for comment on Tebow's style of bringing his faith into everything?

Quote from: lp670sv on December 12, 2011, 10:53:51 AM

My opinion of Tim Tebow has absolutely nothing to do with this faith, it wouldn't matter if he were a Muslim, atheist, Buddhist or anything else.

I agree with Alex that this is simply false, whether you are willing to admit it or not. You are using transference of your continued resistance to God to discredit Tebow.

While I'm not necessarily going to agree with either side of this argument, before I ever knew that Tebow was a Christian (his freshman year) I thought his football skills were rough around the edges.  And while it might be harder to be objective about analyzing his football skills today because the media and fans have made faith a huge factor, I'm not going to say that it cannot be done.

The bottom line is that the Broncos are experiencing success at winning ballgames with a different approach.  Even Bill Walsh had some naysayers early on with the West Coast offense in the early 80's.  Some experts felt the 49ers could not maintain long-term success with the West Coast offense.  After almost 30 years, it's still going strong.  We won't know if Tebow and the Broncos will have long-term success at this point.

Finally, for you youngens, Tebow is not the first of his kind:

NFL Top Ten Lefty QB's #8 Bobby Douglass

You're insistence that that i care at all about Tebow's faith is annoying. I don't watch their games, I follow them on NFL.com because I have willis mcgahee on my fantasy team, the few times I watch sportscenter the topic of his faith rarely comes up. I don't hate him because he's a christian, I hate him because he was a poor teammate to kyle orton and because he's getting 100% of the credit when it has little to do with him.

ProfUnderwood to your point I actually looked this up awhile ago, the time of possesion from tebow to orton isn't much different, two or three minutes as of a few weeks ago, but opposing teams are actually getting more possessions, and thus more chances to score, because the current denver defense is somewhat all or nothing. They don't have a lot of scoring drives that take a lot of time but they've had more (at least it seems) three and outs since tebow took over. when they do score, the drives are like 8-11 minutes but when they don't the drives are rather short.


Sauce, I love skip bayless and that was actually a very entertaining video haha

I have willis mcgahee on my fantasy team

Now we know the REAL reason lp670sv doesn't like Tebow.....because he's hogging all the rushing yards and TDs away from lp's fantasy running back

Quote from: lp670sv on December 12, 2011, 07:26:08 PM

I have willis mcgahee on my fantasy team

Now we know the REAL reason lp670sv doesn't like Tebow.....because he's hogging all the rushing yards and TDs away from lp's fantasy running back

...but McGahee has actually been getting more touches since Tebow took over so from a strictly fantasy perspective, I'm okay with Tebow being QB.

So much for that theory, Prof. 

... although McGahee got me next to nothing this week and I lost by 6 so I'm pretty upset at him at the moment

In McGahee's defense, Tebow threw for more yards in that game than he has all season. I would say that was an anomoly, but now the Broncos play my Patriots who can't stop anybody from scoring, especially in the air. 

It seems that the only good way to indicate that someone will post again is if they say they absolutely won't.

Since I have already violated your trust, I may as well keep going. 

knee injury

Did he take an arrow to the knee?