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Redemption® Collectible Trading Card Game HQ => Official Rules & Errata => Ruling Questions => Topic started by: jbeers285 on April 04, 2012, 03:40:43 PM
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perhaps a dumb or obvious question but does wool fleece stop banding even if its CBN?
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The Play as says prevent which makes it seem like it CBN band would work.
However I think Wool Fleece has been ruled to be a restrict now, based on it's wording. Which means that banding wouldn't work even if it was CBN.
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So wool fleece would stop Gomer And the orange demon from banding to any evil human character?
Faith ain't easy to understand 1 bird in the bush beats 2 in your hand
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Wool Fleece is a prevent. CBN bands still work.
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yeah that would be a major diffrence if its a prevent or a restrict
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Wool Fleece is a prevent. CBN bands still work.
Says the play as on Wool Fleece, but the question is, "is this a legitimate play as?"
Could we get an elder to input on this? Personally it seems to be worded more like a restrict, but I'm fine with it being a prevent.
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I don't know the exact SA off hand and the REG isn't working, but I'm pretty sure it says something like "No Evil Character may band". That is not a restrict because that doesn't target your opponent, just evil characters.
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Yeah, that sounds like a prevent then.
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Actually I'm not so sure, I just read the ability and wool fleece doesn't target band abilities it targets the evil characters. Since it targets characters it might actually be more along the lines of a protect.
SEE: http://www.cactusgamedesign.com/message_boards/ruling-questions/how-to-tell-whether-a-card-is-a-prevent-protect-or-restrict/ (http://www.cactusgamedesign.com/message_boards/ruling-questions/how-to-tell-whether-a-card-is-a-prevent-protect-or-restrict/)
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Wool Fleece's written SA: "No Evil Characters may band."
Prevent abilities stop a card from doing something.
Protect abilities stop a card from being targeted.
Restrict abilities stop a player from doing something.
Wool Fleece is stopping an EC from banding. That's prevent. If it said "Evil Characters may not be banded into battle," that'd be a protect. If it said "No player can band Evil Characters together," that'd be restrict. But this is prevent.
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According to the three definitions you have there what you say makes sense but according to the definitions of the official ruling thread it's different.
Prevent - A prevent ability targets the abilities that they prevent.
Protect - A protect ability targets the cards that gain protected status.
Restrict - A restrict ability targets the player that becomes restricted.
According to this, prevent targets abilities, but wool fleece appears to target the characters according to the wording on the card. It's sounds like a very poorly worded protect according to these definitions since it targets the characters and stops them from banding.
Of course there is definitely good reason to let it remain a prevent, since the wording is funky I could see it going either way. I just wanted to throw the idea of changing it to a protect out there to see the reaction from the elders.
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Prevent - A prevent ability targets the abilities that they prevent. Wool Fleece is this, it's targeting the Evil Characters (and by extension their SA's)
Protect - A protect ability targets the cards that gain protected status. Wool Fleece does not do this. It would have to say "No Evil Character may be banded to."
*EDIT* In other words, this means the same thing as what Tim said, but it's in slightly more specific and slightly less clear terms.
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Ok, I guess that's good enough for me. Quite frankly I kind of prefer it being a prevent instead of a protect.