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Redemption® Collectible Trading Card Game HQ => Official Rules & Errata => Ruling Questions => Topic started by: Deist on August 20, 2010, 10:31:06 PM
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Why are their no weapon class orange cards?
Their are weapon class demons but none are orange. Silver has weapon class cards as well.
Is there a particular reason for this?
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In spite of your demonstrative approach to this issue, you have not provided any demonstrable evidence that would support your diabolical idea. Only a fruit-cake would think that orange should get weapons. I suppose next you will want warrior-class disciples. The first weapon could be Peter's Ear Extractor (PEE for short).
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then why make warrior class demons? a cool weapon would have been better than this:
Worse than the First (Di)
Type: Evil Enh. • Brigade: Orange • Ability: None • Class: Territory • Special Ability: Return up to seven of your generic demons in Tartaros, set-aside area, or Land of Bondage to territory or, search discard pile for a generic demon. • Identifiers: NT, Connected with Demons • Verse: Luke 11:26 • Availability: Disciples booster packs ()
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In spite of your demonstrative approach to this issue, you have not provided any demonstrable evidence that would support your diabolical idea. Only a fruit-cake would think that orange should get weapons. I suppose next you will want warrior-class disciples. The first weapon could be Peter's Ear Extractor (PEE for short).
^^^Also known as you have no substantial reasoning for orange not having weapon class cards.
And you have a good point. Why is simon the zealot not weapon class?
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And you have a good point. Why is simon the zealot not weapon class?
thats exactly what i was thinking when i read that post.
I suppose next you will want warrior-class disciples.
maybe they didnt want to take it that far. Man he must have really messed Rome up...
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And you have a good point.
LOL. Good "point." ;)
Any warrior-class demons will soon be classified as humans, to remain consistent with the orange brigade, much like Warrior In Training lost his wings since he wasn't silver brigade. :o
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Lost his wing (singular), that is. It is an odd picture.
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Lost his wing (singular), that is. It is an odd picture.
O_O Warrior in Training is Sepheroth?
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Any warrior-class demons will soon be classified as humans, to remain consistent with the orange brigade, much like Warrior In Training lost his wings since he wasn't silver brigade. :o
Could someone explain this to me?
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The odd ramblings of an odd man. ;)
But seriously, if someone can point to a demon in the bible having a weapon, we will probably have some demons with weapons. Until then...
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You know, the Legion-possessed man in "The Jesus Movie" was holding a rock at one point... ::)
Ephesians 6:16 (NIV)
In addition to all this, take up the shield of faith, with which you can extinguish all the flaming arrows of the evil one.
The KJV translates "the evil one" as "the wicked," but Blast of Fire (http://redemption.wikia.com/wiki/Blast_of_Fire), which has a Eph. 6:16 reference, has curious art and special ability...
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then why make warrior class demons?
ARE there any warrior-class orange to hold such a weapon?
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Despite a lack of specific instances where demons wield weapons, I don't think there shouldn't be orange weapons. Reprints of Sword of the Rebellion and Blade of Death as orange weapons would make sense, especially since there are plenty of silver weapons and most of them refer to God's power as a metaphorical weapon. (I think only Angel's Sword and Captain's Sword were specifically held by angels.)
There are more verses that could be made into orange weapons, too:
Piercing Sword
Luke 2:34-35
Sword of Instigation
Revelation 6:4
Demonic Breastplate
Revelation 9:9
Satan's Pitchfork
You know he's got one.
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The odd ramblings of an odd man. ;)
When I first read that I thought it said old man.... ;D
This, however, would make a great replacement word for the "thumbs up/respected" category. We could put the totals back up in the table so that it reads, "Most Odd Members."
Could someone explain this to me?
Warrior in Training use to be classified as an angel, because of the odd picture. However, he was later changed to a human, since he was the only angel not in the silver brigade. It may have had something to do with the verse, too, but I forget, because I am oddly old.
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then why make warrior class demons?
ARE there any warrior-class orange to hold such a weapon?
Unless their was one made in the new set (which is highly unlikely). There are NO current orange warrior class characters. So why have warrior class enhancements, with no characters to put them on?
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Demons fight spiritual battles. Unlike in the Angel Wars movies they were fighting angels. So, they made weapons for those demons which was before orange came out.
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Demons fight spiritual battles. Unlike in the Angel Wars movies they were fighting angels. So, they made weapons for those demons which was before orange came out.
"The weapons we fight with are not the weapons of the world. On the contrary, they have divine power to demolish strongholds" -2 Cor. 10:4
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Imo, orange needs weapons bad.
Swift Two Thousand Posessed Demon Walruses (with chariots)
3/3 Orange, Weapon Class
Interrupt the battle and reveal the bottom x cards of deck to make an opponent place cards from their hand beneath draw deck for each orange demon revealed (Limit 3). You may play the next enhancement. Cannot be Negated if used by a demon.
Identifiers, X= The number of demons you have in play. This card is not legal in the State of Minnesota.
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My point is- Silver has weapon class. Orange does not. This makes no sense.
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My point is- Silver has weapon class. Orange does not. This makes no sense.
Green has David, pale green does not. Basic logic of sentence there. Yes Silver has WC but that is because they are recorded having weapons.
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RR...you are just being silly.
Silver/Angels have weapons and characters who may wield them. There are several demons that are warrior class and weapons depicted the same demons...angel wars was full of them.
Since we have Demons that are warrior class and we have weapons we identify with those demons....seems like I have yet to hear a reason for why orange does not have weapon class cards.
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I think they already made almost all of the weapon class demons in Angel Wars. That was before orange came out. They would either have to remake one of those to be orange birgade or rack through the Bible to find a verse that supports the idea of a fighting demon. Then they would have to find evidence of a weapon in the verse.
Maybe, to support my statement above ::), they should make spiritual weapons.
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Since we have Demons that are warrior class and we have weapons we identify with those demons....seems like I have yet to hear a reason for why orange does not have weapon class cards.
Orange not having warrior-class demons seemed like a pretty good reason to me.
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RR...you are just being silly.
Since we have Demons that are warrior class and we have weapons we identify with those demons....seems like I have yet to hear a reason for why orange does not have weapon class cards.
Play nice. There's been plenty of speculation on why. There's also been plenty of reasons. However, we've had nothing conclusive except for:
Orange not having warrior-class demons seemed like a pretty good reason to me.
There are warrior class demons, and weapons for them, many from Angel Wars. Morg (http://redemption.wikia.com/wiki/Morg) comes to mind. Now, why there haven't been any orange class? Heck they're powerful enough already!
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My point is- Silver has weapon class. Orange does not. This makes no sense.
I hope you didn't think I was mocking you as that was not my intention. I understand your point of view. For Consistency's (personification) sake, sure, it makes perfect sense, but I think the issue is more of why take up card slots. You have to remmeber that Foof, Roa, texp and D had very limited space for cards. No one wants to see sub-par demon weapons like angel wars taking up vital card slots or anything close to horses of the other human cultures. Now it is to late because their are no warrior class orange characters. It is highly possible that this never crossed the minds of the playtesters at all, this is just speculation. So I guess I agree with you, in a way this makes no sense, but what can we do about it?
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Silver doesnt have a fortress that allows you to add a charachter to battle? Silver doesnt have automatic LS rescues (orange has auto blocks) ...does every brigade have to be exactly like the other?
I think even without weapon class enhancements, Orange is decently strong so I wouldnt worry much about not having weapons.
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No one wants to see sub-par demon weapons like angel wars
I completely agree with this statement! How many of the Angel Wars cards are played outside of a few characters and a couple of the covenants? I'd much rather sacrifice orange warrior class and other potential "fluffy" cards and have a solid 115 card set where every card is extremely useful, like the latest set!
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I also like seeing brigades being different, and Orange is different in that it doesn't have any warriors/weapons. Its powerful and the most unique brigade we have (or at least for evil, but that is changing now)
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I also like seeing brigades being different, and Orange is different in that it doesn't have any warriors/weapons. Its powerful and the most unique brigade we have (or at least for evil, but that is changing now)
Isn't this whole thing the exact reason we've got different brigades? So they can be different
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NO! Conformity! It's why they made TGT. ALL DECKS MUST BE THE SAME. rawr. xD
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NO! Conformity! It's why they made TGT. ALL DECKS MUST BE THE SAME. rawr. xD
In soviet russia, deck makes you!
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is that good or bad? ;D
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NO! Conformity! It's why they made TGT. ALL DECKS MUST BE THE SAME. rawr. xD
That's why they also made ANB, everybody is the same now!