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Redemption® Collectible Trading Card Game HQ => Official Rules & Errata => Ruling Questions => Topic started by: Scottie_ffgamer on May 12, 2009, 04:00:24 PM
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For cards that say "after battle" or "following rescue attempt", when is the battle officially over? Is it over once characters get discarded/returned to terr, or is it when the LS is/isn't given, or...when?
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I'm fairly certain "following a rescue attempt" refers to after a lost soul is (or isn't) given. I believe "after battle," however, refers to the battle resolution, although I'm not too sure on that.
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Is there a difference? LS is given during battle resolution....
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David's Harp, Play As: "Following any rescue attempt holder may select one of holder’s Heroes that was or is about to be discarded from battle and place Hero on top of owner's deck. Prevent Evil Spirit."
The wording on this leads me to believe that the Hero is just about to leave the Field of Battle when "following rescue attempt" is triggered.
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So it's before the characters actually leave battle? That doesn't seem right....
And what about "after battle"? Would that be the same time?
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Out of curiosity, could you give an example of when/why this matters?
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Hmmm...I was kinda hoping to get a clear definition of what this was before presenting the reason so as people wouldn't be making their decisions based on the combo itself...but oh well.
To me, "after battle" is when the characters retreat back to their territory after the battle resolution. If this is true, then Assyrian Camp would protect Assyrian Archer from discarding itself....
Assyrian Archer - Type: Evil Char. • Brigade: Pale Green • Ability: 3 / 5 • Class: Warrior • Special Ability: You may discard a Hero in a territory. If you do, discard this Evil Character after battle. May band to an Assyrian. • Identifiers: Generic OT Male Human, Assyria, Fought Earthly Battle • Verse: II Kings 19:32 • Availability: Faith of Fathers (Set 7)
Assyrian Camp - Type: Fortress • Brigade: Multicolor • Ability: None • Class: None • Special Ability: Protect Assyrian Evil Characters in your territory from discard, conversion, and capture unless King Hezekiah is in play or set aside. • Identifiers: None • Verse: II Kings 19:35 • Availability: Priests booster packs (Rare)
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Characters are discarded, or return to territory, during battle resolution. Assyrian Camp does not affect characters returning from battle to territory, because those cards are going from battle to discard anyway.
Think of David's Harp as allowing you to return one Hero to top of deck instead of discarding it, but no matter what point in the battle he was discarded, it returns during Battle Resolution.
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Yes, I see "following RA" as being during battle resolution. But "after battle" seems to be after battle resolution. If the characters are still in battle, how can it be after battle? See my point? A RA ends during battle resolution by either the LS being given or not being given. The battle ends when the characters are returned to their territories.
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The Battle Resolution Phase comes after the Battle Phase; therefore Battle Resolution is "after battle."
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The Battle Resolution Phase comes after the Battle Phase; therefore Battle Resolution is "after battle."
Hmmm...that does make sense. I still think it's weird that the characters are still in battle 'after battle' tho. :P
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well, its not like as soon as a battle ends both sides vanish... whoever won is still just left there on the battlefield. ;)
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Battle Resolution is the last step of the Battle Phase, it's just a calculation to clean up the field and complete abilities if necessary. "After battle" is synonymous with the Battle Resolution, because that comes when both parties agree that the battle has reached its end.
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well, its not like as soon as a battle ends both sides vanish... whoever won is still just left there on the battlefield. ;)
What're you talking about? The Hero doesn't just stand there! He makes an epic trek over to the opposing Land of Bondage, and personally reaches out for the terrifying green hand of the Lost Soul from between the prison bars, and walks him to safety, protecting him from the Evil Forces standing in the way, and lets him live safely in the Land of Redemption, while the Hero knows he must leave the place of solitude and rejoin the Army of God, ready to fight another day.
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well, its not like as soon as a battle ends both sides vanish... whoever won is still just left there on the battlefield. ;)
What're you talking about? The Hero doesn't just stand there! He makes an epic trek over to the opposing Land of Bondage, and personally reaches out for the terrifying green hand of the Lost Soul from between the prison bars, and walks him to safety, protecting him from the Evil Forces standing in the way, and lets him live safely in the Land of Redemption, while the Hero knows he must leave the place of solitude and rejoin the Army of God, ready to fight another day.
So what happens in a mutual destruction? ;)
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Oh, come on, this had an all-caps sentence in the rulebook!
"JUST AS CHRIST LAID DOWN HIS LIFE TO REDEEM US, THE HERO IS WILLING TO LAY DOWN HIS LIFE TO RESCUE A LOST SOUL."
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Oh, come on, this had an all-caps sentence in the rulebook!
"JUST AS CHRIST LAID DOWN HIS LIFE TO REDEEM US, THE HERO IS WILLING TO LAY DOWN HIS LIFE TO RESCUE A LOST SOUL."
Yup - so long as it isn't by a SA that it's a mutual destruction.
Sorry, just felt like saying that.