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Redemption® Collectible Trading Card Game HQ => Official Rules & Errata => Ruling Questions => Topic started by: Rawrlolsauce! on September 20, 2010, 04:39:37 PM
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How do we assign cultures in Redemption? To be an Assyrian, do I have to be born in the Assyrian Empire, be associated with the Assyrian Empire, live in the Assyrian Empire, or other?
I mean, if a Cleopatra card were to be made, would she be Egyptian, Roman, both, or neither?
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She won't accept any label. She's the queen of denial.
But seriously, culture of the parents is a factor. Who they worked for is a factor.
If it can't be known conclusively, sometimes we take these factors into account and take a best-guess. Like with Delilah. The Bible doesn't say she was Philistine, but she certainly worked for them. But she had to be bribed, so she may have been from a third-party culture. Her name might even be Hebrew! Talk about evil!
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so when everyone cried Foul on my Ishmael Card Being Both a Egyptian and a Bab cuz (Hagar was a Egyptian slave and)Abram came from "Ur of the Chaldes" and Chaldeans r Babs Then They were Wrong?
Correct?
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Egyptian yes. Babylonian no. The Chaldeans may not have been part of the Babylonian culture back then.
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Is this card a babylonian?
Chaldeans (P)
Type: Evil Char. • Brigade: Crimson/Pale Green • Ability: 3 / 3 • Class: None • Special Ability: Negate and discard an Artifact unless it's owner has at least two characters in play with the same testament as the Artifact. • Identifiers: OT Male Human, Magician (Babylon) • Verse: Daniel 4:7 • Availability: Promotional cards (2010 District Tournament)
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Yes, because at that time (Nebuchadnezzar), Chaldeans ruled Babylon. So they were all part of the same Neo-Babylonian empire.
But WAY back in the time of Abraham, the Chaldeans were mainly down in the south, down by the Persian Gulf. Right around Ur. The Babylonians were a smaller group at the time, and were centered around the city of Babylon, north of the Chaldeans.
I may not be exactly right on my timing of when they merged, but the Chaldeans and Babylonians were distinct groups at many times.
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+1 for asking a really good question, which I was wondering when trying to make more cards for Greeks. My question was if we could make someone in Ephesus, for example, worshipping and making idols at the Temple of Artemis, a Greek, even though they are technically in Asia Minor and we have no idea where they are born. With as far and wide as Alexander spread the Greek culture, language and religion I vote "Yes", but never got a definite answer. It seems to me that if someone has immersed themself in that culture and especially the religion, then that person meets the qualification, regardless of lineage and/or where they are at the time.
On a similar note, is Apollos an "Egyptian" because he was from Alexandria? In my mind he wasn't (for the reasons above), but I suppose that's debateable too.
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This really got me thinking about this more, regarding heroes who live elsewhere.
Examples:
Are Aquila and Priscilla Romans since they lived in Rome for a time?
Are heroes who lived in Greece (i.e. Athens, Corinth) considered Greeks?
Are Daniel and his friends, and Ezekiel considered Babylonians (Maybe Daniel for political purposes)?
Are Esther and Moredecai considered Persians (Maybe politically?)
Are Moses, Aaron, Miriam, Jochebed, Jacob, Joseph considered Egyptians? (Moses and Joseph I could understand from the "political" viewpoint- the rest not so much.)
Do Nehemiah, Ezra, Zerubbabel and their generation of heroes have a Babylonian or Persian classification?
Do you see how difficult this becomes?
I don't consider most of the above to fit those classifications because they 1) Are heroes, 2) Did not immerse themselves in the wicked culture of where they were living for a time.
From a game standpoint I'm not even sure how often this would come up, unless one of these heroes was converted to an EC, or maybe in side battles? But I would like to see some clarification regarding how we classify characters by culture. Thanks again.
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I think I personally would consider Moses and/or Joseph Egyptians.
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Are Esther and Moredecai considered Persians (Maybe politically?)
esther is already persian. see: epic esther/hamans gallows combo.
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Lets say, theoretically, I was able to trace my heritage waaaay back to David. Would I be considered a philistine?
(Trying to get tricky here ;))
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Lets say, theoretically, I was able to trace my heritage waaaay back to David. Would I be considered a philistine?
(Trying to get tricky here ;))
you could be considered a nazi.
Examples:
Are Aquila and Priscilla Romans since they lived in Rome for a time?
Are heroes who lived in Greece (i.e. Athens, Corinth) considered Greeks?
Are Daniel and his friends, and Ezekiel considered Babylonians (Maybe Daniel for political purposes)?
Are Esther and Moredecai considered Persians (Maybe politically?)
Are Moses, Aaron, Miriam, Jochebed, Jacob, Joseph considered Egyptians? (Moses and Joseph I could understand from the "political" viewpoint- the rest not so much.)
Do Nehemiah, Ezra, Zerubbabel and their generation of heroes have a Babylonian or Persian classification?
Daniel and Friends are not. They were born in Israel to Israeli parents.
as far as the egyptians go, I would say they should be. they had a long lineage of people who lived and were born in egypt.
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SHH. Delete the first part of the post. I'm trying to be tricky!
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SHH. Delete the first part of the post. I'm trying to be tricky!
done?
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SHH. Delete the first part of the post. I'm trying to be tricky!
done?
Don't encourage him, his Encouragement is >9000.
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I think I personally would consider Moses and/or Joseph Egyptians.