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They follow anywhere except when the weapon's holder is captured.

Hey,

Weapons follow bearers to battle, set aside area, and when returned to territory as a Hero or Evil Character.  Otherwise they are regular enhancements.

If a warrior is discarded or captured, or returned to hand, all weapon cards on the character are discarded. If a warrior is converted, weapons remain on the character. The special ability on the weapon continues to function provided it does not conflict with the nature of a Hero or Evil Character.

All placed cards follow the cards that they are placed on wherever they go unless an ability specifies otherwise, with the exception of equipped Weapons when the character is captured; those are discarded.

Weapons function similar to placed enhancements, but they are not placed enhancements.  They are where they are because of the rules for weapons, not the rules for place abilities, so rules specific to place abilities do not apply.

Tschow,

Tim "Sir Nobody" Maly

I would conclude from SirNobody's first two quotes that if a character holding a weapon is returned to deck, the weapon would be discarded.

i think thats right weapons get discarded but other cards follow but not completely sure why.

WC enhs used to be discarded when a character was shuffled.  But I'm pretty sure that was changed so that they now follow the character anywhere it goes (except capture).  It simplified the game, and it's been ruled that way for quite some time now I think.

So you're overruling the REG, rulebook, and SirNobody? 

Is the "new" rule listed somewhere? (FYI, I haven't checked yet.)

Quote from: Prof Underwood on May 09, 2012, 07:07:17 PM

WC enhs used to be discarded when a character was shuffled.  But I'm pretty sure that was changed so that they now follow the character anywhere it goes (except capture).  It simplified the game, and it's been ruled that way for quite some time now I think.

So you're overruling the REG, rulebook, and SirNobody? 

Is the "new" rule listed somewhere? (FYI, I haven't checked yet.)

I'm pretty sure (not 100%, but pretty sure) that I remember this ruling being made earlier this year when multiple elders agreed to overturn the previous rule.

Any major rule change needs to be in the Official Rules Section under New Rulings.

I always thought this was listed somewhere already.  However, I couldn't find it, so I added it here.

Quote from: YourMathTeacher on May 09, 2012, 07:38:48 PM

Any major rule change needs to be in the Official Rules Section under New Rulings.

I always thought this was listed somewhere already.  However, I couldn't find it, so I added it here.

Woah.  Hold up.

Okay, I'm completely confused, because I have personally posted in 3 separate threads in the last four months, and many others have been made, where it has been said that placed cards (not weapons) are not discarded when the character they are placed on is captured.  I say this, because no one countered it, and no Elders ruled otherwise.

From Prof's post in the Ruling Thread:

All cards held by or placed on a captured character are discarded (ex: Magic Charms held by my Magician would be discarded if that Magician was captured).

Where did this come from, and why was it not corrected in any of those threads?

Just to clarify...

1) If Michael is holding Michael's Sword, ends up in Chamber of Angels and then back on draw pile, does Michael's Sword follow him all the way?

2) If I place an enhancement on my opponent's Hero that doesn't allow him to enter battle until it is removed, and then my opponent captures his own Hero, is my enhancement discarded?

3) If I place an enhancement on my opponent's Hero and my opponent returns the Hero to their hand, does my enhancement go to his hand, as well?

Hey,

WC enhs used to be discarded when a character was shuffled.  But I'm pretty sure that was changed so that they now follow the character anywhere it goes (except capture).  It simplified the game, and it's been ruled that way for quite some time now I think.

I'd REALLY like to see that discussion.

Tschow,

Tim "Sir Nobody" Maly

I concur with RDT's concurrence.   

Wait, so what's the rule here? Nobody just posted in the new rules thread that everything falls of when captured, but all the other elders posting here seem to disagree with that.

Prof U posted that, and I believe the idea came from a discussion wherein we determined that would be the case, but I wasn't sure if the change had yet been implemented. As I recall, all Elders agreed with it, and I think that that's the way it should be, but I couldn't remember if it had been officially announced or not.