Author Topic: Unholy Writ (Read 17422 times)

crustpope · « **Reply #25 on:** July 26, 2009, 10:24:11 PM »

Quote from: Janissary on July 26, 2009, 10:20:59 PM

Quote from: Lamborghini_diablo on July 26, 2009, 10:14:41 PM
Quote from: crustpope on July 26, 2009, 10:09:56 PM
but just having it up does have an effect on whether someone makes a RA that turn. So in some ways it is more similar to Burial Shroud than anything else.

I can't tell you how many times I've been stalled by Unholy Writ because I had no banding and no way to deal with that artifact.

Sacrifical lambs.

Yeah. pretty much. That an I Am Redemption is how I deal with it unless I have banding. $:-\$

Alex_Olijar · « **Reply #26 on:** July 26, 2009, 10:24:55 PM »

I sacrifice the least useful character and hope they use it.

YourMathTeacher · « **Reply #27 on:** July 26, 2009, 10:27:56 PM »

I use Covenant of Palestine.

Lamborghini_diablo · « **Reply #28 on:** July 26, 2009, 10:34:59 PM »

Meh, I know I can throw I am Redemption in but... Combo decks hate Unholy Writ.

Also, those of you saying you can waste a RA to eat up UW... why not waste two to eat up AT? Same deal isnt it?

YourMathTeacher · « **Reply #29 on:** July 26, 2009, 10:36:52 PM »

Quote from: Lamborghini_diablo on July 26, 2009, 10:34:59 PM

Also, those of you saying you can waste a RA to eat up UW... why not waste two to eat up AT? Same deal isnt it?

1 =/= 2

Remember the thread about games being over in 5 turns.....

Alex_Olijar · « **Reply #30 on:** July 26, 2009, 10:37:17 PM »

I don't care about AT because I use cmobo decks or decks that can not be negated. That's right, the whole deck, as a whole, can not be negated.

Lamborghini_diablo · « **Reply #31 on:** July 26, 2009, 10:38:23 PM »

Still. You all say "noooo way, AT can totally change how you play" when UW can stall an opponent for a while if they arent prepared for it as well.

Smokey · « **Reply #32 on:** July 26, 2009, 10:39:20 PM »

Quote from: YourMathTeacher on July 26, 2009, 10:36:52 PM

Quote from: Lamborghini_diablo on July 26, 2009, 10:34:59 PM
Also, those of you saying you can waste a RA to eat up UW... why not waste two to eat up AT? Same deal isnt it?

1 =/= 2

Remember the thread about games being over in 5 turns.....

1 =/= 2-1 either, the -1 being the condition of AT (must block with an Assyrian) anyone can use UW in a deck, only Assyrian decks use AT

Alex_Olijar · « **Reply #33 on:** July 26, 2009, 10:39:23 PM »

Stop arguing logic. This game's rules are based on how I want it to so I can win.

YourMathTeacher · « **Reply #34 on:** July 26, 2009, 10:47:15 PM »

Quote from: Smokey on July 26, 2009, 10:39:20 PM

1 =/= 2-1 either, the -1 being the condition of AT (must block with an Assyrian) anyone can use UW in a deck, only Assyrian decks use AT

I'm assuming that you are using TI Graphing Calculator script, which reads 2-1 as "two times negative one," which I agree does not equal one.

Smokey · « **Reply #35 on:** July 26, 2009, 10:50:38 PM »

Quote from: YourMathTeacher on July 26, 2009, 10:47:15 PM

Quote from: Smokey on July 26, 2009, 10:39:20 PM
1 =/= 2-1 either, the -1 being the condition of AT (must block with an Assyrian) anyone can use UW in a deck, only Assyrian decks use AT

I'm assuming that you are using TI Graphing Calculator script, which reads 2-1 as "two times negative one," which I agree does not equal one.

Exactly, I used AT -2 times before you used unholy writ...

Lamborghini_diablo · « **Reply #36 on:** July 26, 2009, 10:57:28 PM »

In all seriousness, I fought for consistancy with Angels Sword, and the consistancy bat symbol just went up... so I'll fight again.

The Rulebook clearly states, that when an artifact is ACTIVE, it must be counted as having been used.

Unholy Writ says discard after one use. What is there that is stopping it from dying after one use? Both AT and UW have a trigger of some sort (Block with an assyrian, when holder chooses)... but apparently that trigger doesnt mean squat for AT. It can die if you never ONCE get to block with an assyrian. Whats so different about UW that it gets to wait for you to choose to use it?

*EDIT* typo fix.

D-man · « **Reply #37 on:** July 26, 2009, 11:08:23 PM »

Wait...Lambo and Arch Angel, are you arguing that the "discard after use" applies to its activation but not the action of capturing? In other words, if your correct, then I could active UW in multiplayer and have it active for a whole round, capturing as many heroes as I want, because the "use" condition applies to the activation and not the capture. Is that correct? Or am I missing something?

Alex_Olijar · « **Reply #38 on:** July 26, 2009, 11:08:54 PM »

No, your right in what they want.

Lamborghini_diablo · « **Reply #39 on:** July 26, 2009, 11:10:19 PM »

I am going by what the rulebook and REG say. I did not argue against AS because I wanted it weaker, I argued because the way that card worked just wasnt functional and inconsistant.

Same here, One card is ruled to die because it says "use," so why not all other cards that are worded in the same way?

YourMathTeacher · « **Reply #40 on:** July 26, 2009, 11:10:47 PM »

Quote from: Lamborghini_diablo on July 26, 2009, 10:57:28 PM

The Rulebook clearly states, that when an artifact is ACTIVE, it must be counted as having been used.

The rulebook clearly states that.... for "limited use" artifacts, which Rob clarified in the post quoted earlier. UW is not a "limited use" artifact. The phrase "discard after use" is one of those "clarifying text" thingies that have since been done away with. An artifact that says "May be used twice" is a "limited use artifact."

The issue at hand is that UW's "Play As" becomes muddled with present rulings, so it should just be dropped. It is still not a "May be used twice" artifact, so there is no reason to treat it as one.

Arch Angel · « **Reply #41 on:** July 26, 2009, 11:12:25 PM »

And yea, assuming this passes you could. Good thing it's limited to "In Battle" right?

D-man · « **Reply #42 on:** July 26, 2009, 11:15:39 PM »

Hmm...I can see the following combo being useful.

Rescue with low numbered Purple or Teal hero. Play Jehoida's Strength or Unified Kingdom to band in all their guys. Then use UW to send them all to your Raider's Camp.

Alex_Olijar · « **Reply #43 on:** July 26, 2009, 11:17:01 PM »

UW isn't a human EC so that doesn't work.

YourMathTeacher · « **Reply #44 on:** July 26, 2009, 11:18:22 PM »

The whole thing doesn't work.

Y'all are going looney.

Lamborghini_diablo · « **Reply #45 on:** July 26, 2009, 11:23:17 PM »

Quote from: YourMathTeacher on July 26, 2009, 11:10:47 PM

The rulebook clearly states that.... for "limited use" artifacts, which Rob clarified in the post quoted earlier. UW is not a "limited use" artifact. The phrase "discard after use" is one of those "clarifying text" thingies that have since been done away with. An artifact that says "May be used twice" is a "limited use artifact."

How is UW not limited? It can only be used a set amount of times, in this case once.

Both cards can only be used a set amount of times, Both cards can potentially do nothing (Holder not choosing to use UW, Holder not blocking with an assyrian), and both cards are killed by being used.

D-man · « **Reply #46 on:** July 26, 2009, 11:23:23 PM »

Quote from: YourMathTeacher on July 26, 2009, 11:18:22 PM

The whole thing doesn't work.

Y'all are going looney.

I don't think it should work. I'm just trying to convince others that it would be way too powerful if it did. =D

Quote from: Janissary on July 26, 2009, 11:17:01 PM

UW isn't a human EC so that doesn't work.

Fine...use HQ at Riblah to discard 'em all.

Mr.Hiatus · « **Reply #47 on:** July 26, 2009, 11:44:48 PM »

Is this a serious thread? Arch Angel just stop posting about this. Sorry if I am coming across rude but after reading all your "points" and seeing how every single person on here is telling you otherwise yet you are still arguing it, just for the sake of arguing. Unholy Writ is activated and one, there is no hero in battle, two it says MAY (which is a dead giveaway), and three why would you want this changed? Nothing good comes out of this being changed and what is your reasoning behind trying to get it changed? I see nothing good coming out of this "arguement". The only reason this is an arguement is because you are the only person that disagrees. Now I can guarentee you that this will NOT be changed to your liking, and it will stay the same way that it has been, and should be, for the past decade. Sorry, but come on dude for real? Drop this thread because this is a pointless conversation.

Alex_Olijar · « **Reply #48 on:** July 26, 2009, 11:45:50 PM »

Not really. Read the play as.

Lamborghini_diablo · « **Reply #49 on:** July 26, 2009, 11:49:57 PM »

Quote from: Mr.Hiatus on July 26, 2009, 11:44:48 PM

Unholy Writ is activated and one, there is no hero in battle

If there is no hero in battle, AT is still counted as being used. Your point is?

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two it says MAY (which is a dead giveaway

Play As: When holder chooses, capture a human Hero during battle. Discard Artifact after one use.

Funny, I must be blind because I don't see MAY in there... and the Play As is what rulings are based on.

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