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Redemption® Collectible Trading Card Game HQ => Official Rules & Errata => Ruling Questions => Topic started by: TheKarazyvicePresidentRR on March 09, 2010, 03:41:57 PM
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So, The Fallen Angel is in the pit. I ra Ehud, (with 3 nails up) choose Fallen angel. Is ehud now winning the battle?
Ehud
Type: Hero Char. • Brigade: Yellow • Ability: 7 / 4 • Class: Warrior • Special Ability: Interrupt Wall of Protection and choose a male Evil Character from opponent's territory to block. Ehud has first strike. • Attributes: Judge, Fought Earthly Battle • Identifiers: OT Male Human, Judge, Fought Earthly Battle • Verse: Judges 3:15 • Availability: Rock of Ages (Set 18)
Three Nails
Type: Artifact • Brigade: None • Ability: None • Class: None • Special Ability: No demon may block while this Artifact is in play. • Play As: All Heroes ignore demons. • Identifiers: None • Verse: Mark 15:24-25 • Availability: Apostles booster packs (Ultra Rare)
The Pit
Type: Fortress • Brigade: Multicolor • Ability: None • Class: None • Special Ability: Holder may place a demon with a toughness of */7 or greater on this fortress (or return it to territory) during his preparation phase. While a demon is here, negate Three Nails. • Identifiers: Holds one demon • Verse: Revelation 9:11 • Availability: Angel Wars booster packs (Rare) • Background
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I do not believe Ehud can choose Fallen Angel. Characters can only enter and leave a fortress based on
1) game rule
2) special ability/identifier on the fortress
3) another special ability explicitly targets the fortress
Of course, that's just "winging it". ;) When I get a chance I'll have to go research the REG.
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is fallen angel considered a male?
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All angels and demons are considered male by default. I believe the only two non-human females are Arianna and Kira from Angel Wars.
I believe that Ehud would be winning in this scenario.
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Ehud
Type: Hero Char. • Brigade: Yellow • Ability: 7 / 4 • Class: Warrior • Special Ability: Interrupt Wall of Protection and choose a male Evil Character from opponent's territory to block. Ehud has first strike. • Attributes: Judge, Fought Earthly Battle • Identifiers: OT Male Human, Judge, Fought Earthly Battle • Verse: Judges 3:15 • Availability: Rock of Ages (Set 18)
The Pit
Type: Fortress • Brigade: Multicolor • Ability: None • Class: None • Special Ability: Holder may place a demon with a toughness of */7 or greater on this fortress (or return it to territory) during his preparation phase. While a demon is here, negate Three Nails. • Identifiers: Holds one demon • Verse: Revelation 9:11 • Availability: Angel Wars booster packs (Rare) • Background
Based on the two bolded phrases, I don't think Ehud can pick a character in the Pit to block. The Pit is not in territory (or else you wouldn't need to return the character to territory) and Ehud can only pick and EC in a territory.
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If The Pit isn't in territory, then...where the heck is it? :scratch:
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Goog question. I don't see why it wouldn't be in territory, but just by the wording of the card it appears not to be....
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Goog question.
I have a lot of goog questions. ;D
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All angels and demons are considered male by default. I believe the only two non-human females are Arianna and Kira from Angel Wars.
I'll take non-human females for $500, Alex.
This female demon can band to any female evil character.
Who is Cubus?
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All angels and demons are considered male by default. I believe the only two non-human females are Arianna and Kira from Angel Wars.
I'll take non-human females for $500, Alex.
This female demons can band to any female evil characters.
Who is Cubus?
Um, MJB, Jeopardy! has changed since you were a kid. There are no $500 questions in Jeopardy!
Also, Spirit of Doubt is considered female as well, since the picture has Cubus on it.
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Thanks for your help contestant number 2, but the judges have decided that either Cubus or Spirit of Doubt would have been an acceptable answer. MJB has been awarded his $500 for that Final Jepordy Question.
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Thanks for your help contestant number 2, but the judges have decided that either Cubus or Spirit of Doubt would have been an acceptable answer. MJB has been awarded his $500 for that Final Jepordy Question.
Alex, could you inform contestant #2 that his (assuming it's a he) answer must be in the form of a question?
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Does anyone else but me think that Que looks like Alex Trebek?
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Jordan, I am afraid that MJB is correct. What was your wager on the Final Jeopardy question?
Oh, you wagered your bacholerness. I am afraid you are going to have to lose that. I'm so sorry.
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Jordan, I am afraid that MJB is correct. What was your wager on the Final Jeopardy question?
Oh, you wagered your bacholerness. I am afraid you are going to have to lose that. I'm so sorry.
Oh NOES!!!1!!!!1!1!1!11!11!!!1!1! Does that mean I have to find myself a pretty girl and marry her? How will I ever do that? Oh wait, I see one now. She's sitting on my futon doing homework. Dang she looks good.
But I wasn't actually answering a jeopardy question, I was providing some additional information as Trebek often does.
And MJB couldn't ask for Non-human females for $500. He could wager $500 if it was Final Jeopardy, but in that case he wouldn't be able to choose the category. Maybe $500 questions were around when he was a kid, but I don't know. That was a long time ago.
Does anyone else but me think that Que looks like Alex Trebek?
(https://www.cactusforums.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Flh4.ggpht.com%2Ffisherwy%2FR18y6qzeUbI%2FAAAAAAAAMAg%2FOUXhyYe4I_M%2FJeopardy%2BHost%2BAlex%2BTrebek%2Bpicture%255B4%255D&hash=42b690b1d9178ad7b03e055e87cc20aa0f443f17) (https://www.cactusforums.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.redemptionreg.com%2FREG%2FLinkedDocuments%2FQue%2520%28AW%29.gif&hash=96a777bcfa5b89757e889bdcaa1d7ad53a378611)
That is really creepy...
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Goog question. I don't see why it wouldn't be in territory, but just by the wording of the card it appears not to be....
Not really. You need a S.a. to put cards anywhere but territory (inside forts)
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I have always played this is legal. I stumbled upon this last season. You can band to characters out of fortresses that have no protection otherwise, so this should work. In the same manner, I could play Dissuading Speech or Sarah's Jealousy and choose Ehud from Judge's Seat to make a rescue attempt.
And yes, Three Nails' ignore ability kicks in and Ehud is winning.
Kirk
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I would think that you wouldn't even be able to target Fallen Angel for Ehud's effect since Three Nails stops him from being able to block before Ehud enters battle and tries to pull him in. Though, I suppose it depends on what kind of effect Three Nails has.
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Three Nails is negated while fallen angel is in the pit, so I am not sure that it matters what kind of ability 3 nails is. Good play I believe it works that way.
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I have always played this is legal. I stumbled upon this last season. You can band to characters out of fortresses that have no protection otherwise, so this should work. In the same manner, I could play Dissuading Speech or Sarah's Jealousy and choose Ehud from Judge's Seat to make a rescue attempt.
And yes, Three Nails' ignore ability kicks in and Ehud is winning.
Kirk
Oh sure, find all the awesome combos when I take off for my first semester in college! I see how it is ;). Awesomesauce though now I need someone to actually USE the pit.
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I have always played this is legal. I stumbled upon this last season. You can band to characters out of fortresses that have no protection otherwise, so this should work. In the same manner, I could play Dissuading Speech or Sarah's Jealousy and choose Ehud from Judge's Seat to make a rescue attempt.
And yes, Three Nails' ignore ability kicks in and Ehud is winning.
Kirk
But that's not how the rules/REG are currently written. I'm not saying that I don't want to be able to band to unprotected characters in fortresses, BUT the rules better allow for it. Currently they do not.
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But that's not how the rules/REG are currently written. I'm not saying that I don't want to be able to band to unprotected characters in fortresses, BUT the rules better allow for it. Currently they do not.
Why not? The fortress is in play and territory, and there is no protection from effect clause. What you can't do is take a character out of a Fortress to block during battle phase, or put him in your general territory during discard phase. Other abilities can bring them out. Special abilities often override game rules, and characters in unprotected Fortresses are legal targets for banding cards or Ehud.
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But that's not how the rules/REG are currently written. I'm not saying that I don't want to be able to band to unprotected characters in fortresses, BUT the rules better allow for it. Currently they do not.
Why not? The fortress is in play and territory, and there is no protection from effect clause. What you can't do is take a character out of a Fortress to block during battle phase, or put him in your general territory during discard phase. Other abilities can bring them out. Special abilities often override game rules, and characters in unprotected Fortresses are legal targets for banding cards or Ehud.
And I contend that it is fine as long as the other abilities target the location, in this case the fortress.
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Hey,
As far as the original question, Ehud can choose Fallen Angel out of The Pit which would result in the initial state of battle being the hero winning by ignore (unless of course Fallen Angel was the Crimson fallen angel who banded to Leviathan).
As far as characters moving in and out of fortresses; a character can only enter a fortress according to a place or ability (or apparently now according to a game rule associated with the "holds" identifier, still not sure how exactly that one works), a character can exit a fortress (and return to the general territory) as per the return ability on the fortress (or again, the whole "holds" identifier thing).
A character in a fortress is still eligible to be used for any game action or targeted by any special ability unless the fortress (or some other card) protects it. You can band to a character in Judge's Seat, you can block with a character in The Pit.
Which means you could activate your own Three Nails, place an Evil Character in your own The Pit, then block with the demon out of The Pit making him immediately ignored significantly increasing the odds of you getting initiative.
Tschow,
Tim "Sir Nobody" Maly
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Wait what? Is this direct reversal of the "can't CTB an Ignored character" just arbitrary or does the new REG change the way that works?
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Wasn't Three Nails a prevent at one point? Preventing demons from entering battle that is. When did that change to ignore? (this is what I get for ignoring the boards for a few months :angel:)
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Wasn't Three Nails a prevent at one point? Preventing demons from entering battle that is. When did that change to ignore? (this is what I get for ignoring the boards for a few months :angel:)
Anything that says something to the effect of "X may not block" is an ignore ability. The Play As for Three Nails says "All heroes ignore demons" which is effectively the same thing, just stated more clearly.
Wait what? Is this direct reversal of the "can't CTB an Ignored character" just arbitrary or does the new REG change the way that works?
The demon isn't being ignored until it has left the Pit, it hasn't left the Pit until it reaches battle, so as soon as it reaches battle, it is being ignored. Of course, I don't see how the hero could possibly ever get initiative when it is ignoring the demon, so I'm not sure why Tim threw that in there...
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Aaah, I see.
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So what you're trying to say is this:
That if I have three nails out, holy of holies out, and I increase trembling demon's toughness to */7 (with a set aside or some such), I can auto-block with it out of the pit every turn?
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So what you're trying to say is this:
That if I have three nails out, holy of holies out, and I increase trembling demon's toughness to */7 (with a set aside or some such), I can auto-block with it out of the pit every turn?
It would appear that way if SirNobody is to be believed. But if you try to pull that combo, you'd probably better have this thread for reference, because no one who hasn't seen this thread will believe you. Nice combo!