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The Darkness fortress questions:
« on: September 25, 2017, 07:28:42 PM »
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The Darkness fortress questions:

SA: Place an Evil Character from hand face down here. If an opponent begins a rescue attempt and chooses a blocker (or is unblocked), you may reveal this evil character. Blocking player may add it to the battle. Otherwise return it face down.
identifer holds 1 EC

Not sure exactly how this card really works??



1.  What if I place the fortress down from hand and do not have any EC from hand to place on it? Do I need to prove to my opponent I do not have any EC to place on the fortress??

2. In a 2 player game , If player A goes for RA againest Player B (Player B has the darkness with a facedown EC) can Player B add the EC to battle anytime during the RA??

3. Same example with question #2 but this time Player A uses King amaziah (choses evil king saul to block for Player B to block with) , can Player B still add the EC from the fortress to battle?

4. What if the EC that was face down , was added to battle and got discarded.  Can you still place another EC from your hand face down on the fortress to replace it??

5. If the darkness fortress is unoccupied , can you put any EC from your territory into it during prep phase of your turn??

6.  If you can put any EC from your territory into the fortress , does the EC go into the fortress face-down or face-up??

7. If you can put an EC into the fortress , can you use the fortresses SA again? (adding the EC to battle that is during a RA)

8. In a 3 player game (Player A has the darkness with an EC face-down on it) If Player B goes for a RA against Player C , Can Player A add their EC to Player C's side of the battle at anytime??

9. Assuming that a player can not place Babylon / The harlot on the fortress from hand , because the harlot card says "begins as a site" is this correct?

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Re: The Darkness fortress questions:
« Reply #1 on: September 25, 2017, 09:01:23 PM »
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ORCID Play As:
Hold a face down Evil Character from hand here: If an opponent begins a rescue attempt and uses a choose opponent ability or is unblocked, you may reveal the Evil Character here. If you do, the blocking player may add it to battle. Otherwise, it remains here face down.

1. You can't hold a character when you play the fortress unless it is during your Prep Phase.  According to the REG, Hold abilities are activated abilities that can only be activated during the Prep Phase, by default.  As an activated ability, you don't have to use it.

2. No.  The trigger is beginning a rescue attempt and choosing the blocker or not being blocked - you can't reveal and add later in the battle.

3. Yes, if you reveal and add before doing anything else.

4. You can only hold an EC during your Prep Phase, so no.

5. No, the EC must come from hand.

6. You can't add an EC from territory.

7. You can't add it to the same battle, but you can add it to a different battle when the conditions are met.

8. No.  Player A can reveal the character when the rescue attempt begins, but Player C chooses to add it to the battle, or not.  And like 2, it has to be added before any non-chosen blockers, or not at all.

9. Correct

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Re: The Darkness fortress questions:
« Reply #2 on: September 25, 2017, 09:44:16 PM »
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Just so I understand this correctly:

Are any of these 2 statements below correct?

1. Even though the fortress SA says "Place an EC from hand here" ( which sounds like the player must do immediately according to how I read the ability) if I have The Darkness fortress in my territory  , I can pretty much put 1 EC from my hand , face-down on the fortress anytime during my prep phase if the fortress is unoccupied?

2. I can only occupy the Darkness fortress by putting an EC from hand only (not from any other location , but only from hand)



Another question:

 1. Assuming if the EC that was from the darkness survives the RA and wins , the character goes back to territory by default?? (not returned face-down on the fortress)

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Re: The Darkness fortress questions:
« Reply #3 on: September 25, 2017, 10:17:18 PM »
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1 pretty much has to be true for it to work more than once - if the place happens when you put it down, there's not really a mechanism to hold another character once it's empty.

2 is definitely correct.  The Darkness defines how characters are added (held from hand) and removed (added to battle), so it's not subject to the default of characters being added and removed in the Prep Phase.

For your last question, the character does return to territory.

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Re: The Darkness fortress questions:
« Reply #4 on: November 08, 2017, 09:15:42 PM »
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According to the oracle text, The Darkness can only hold a character once unless there are new defaults for holding and it is being moved from identifier line to SA in the oracle text of all hold cards.
I am not talking about T2 unless I am explicitly talking about T2. Also Mayhem is fine now somehow!

 


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