So why base a special ability on a gamestate that will never really happen? I mean I understand that it does happen, actually more than I would like. It just seems like a really good idea of an ability wasted on a board position that is even looked down upon in this game, hence all the recent soul gen cards.
What I don't understand about Taunt is what does "your opponent has no lost souls to rescue" mean? Do Lost Souls in sites count? Does the female only count? Why should Goliath care whether or not there are lost souls in their territory since he can't rescue them anyway.Again, Taunt is just an evil battle challenge. A battle challenge is defined by "A battle challenge may be given when there is no Lost Soul available for a Hero to rescue. A Hero is placed onto the Field of Battle, and the Evil Character is invited to fight. The battle challenge does not have to be accepted." So, yes, lost souls in sites count, just like they would for heroes. The female only counts, just like it would for heroes. This is why Every Man's Sword doesn't prevent site access heroes like War Officer from entering battle.
I thought was that if you go in with a hero that has no access to a lost soul it is a battle challenge, so why are the rules different with Goliath? He can never rescue a lost soul so any battle performed by him would be a battle challenge.
What I don't understand about Taunt is what does "your opponent has no lost souls to rescue" mean? Do Lost Souls in sites count? Does the female only count? Why should Goliath care whether or not there are lost souls in their territory since he can't rescue them anyway.Again, Taunt is just an evil battle challenge. A battle challenge is defined by "A battle challenge may be given when there is no Lost Soul available for a Hero to rescue. A Hero is placed onto the Field of Battle, and the Evil Character is invited to fight. The battle challenge does not have to be accepted." So, yes, lost souls in sites count, just like they would for heroes. The female only counts, just like it would for heroes. This is why Every Man's Sword doesn't prevent site access heroes like War Officer from entering battle.
I thought was that if you go in with a hero that has no access to a lost soul it is a battle challenge, so why are the rules different with Goliath? He can never rescue a lost soul so any battle performed by him would be a battle challenge.
So, as long as your opponent has a soul, it's a rescue attempt.
That's not true though. Lets say my opponent has a lost soul in a say gold site and a female only not in a site, lets say I have a character with a site access ability and a female hero and Gabriel, does that stop me from attacking (as a battle challenge) with Gabriel because I could make a rescue attempt with either of my other heroes? I wouldn't think so.No, it doesn't stop you from attacking, but when you attack you are making a rescue attempt, not a battle challenge.
Goliath being an evil character by default doesn't have access to any lost souls so why should he not be able to make a battle challenge whenever he wants?
Goliath being an evil character by default doesn't have access to any lost souls so why should he not be able to make a battle challenge whenever he wants?
That's not true though. Lets say my opponent has a lost soul in a say gold site and a female only not in a site, lets say I have a character with a site access ability and a female hero and Gabriel, does that stop me from attacking (as a battle challenge) with Gabriel because I could make a rescue attempt with either of my other heroes? I wouldn't think so.No, it doesn't stop you from attacking, but when you attack you are making a rescue attempt, not a battle challenge.
Goliath being an evil character by default doesn't have access to any lost souls so why should he not be able to make a battle challenge whenever he wants?
Let me put it this way. There's an ordinary lost soul. You rescue with Shamgar. The block with Gomer banded to Uzzah, and use Uzzah's ability. Does Uzzah's ability change the battle into a Battle Challenge because the lost souls are protected?
No. Death of Unrighteous would because it takes all your lost souls out of play, but as long as there are souls, whether protected or not, it's a rescue attempt.
Goliath being an evil character by default doesn't have access to any lost souls so why should he not be able to make a battle challenge whenever he wants?
Because Rob decided Taunt should only work when there is no Lost Soul in play and the people testing taunt agreed. ;)
If that was the case, then Every Man's Sword would prevent War Officer from entering battle when there's a lost soul in a site, but it doesn't. Those rulings you've received contradict the REG's definition of Battle Challenge, as well as past rulings such as EMS versus War Officer.
So why base a special ability on a gamestate that will never really happen? I mean I understand that it does happen, actually more than I would like. It just seems like a really good idea of an ability wasted on a board position that is even looked down upon in this game, hence all the recent soul gen cards.BAM NAILED IT! One of the most logical things said on the boards in a long time. I still have no clue why any one would put Taunt cards into their deck with this meta heck I wouldnt have put these in my deck 10 years ago if they came out. The only reason Goliath is being used is because... well he is Goliath just read his sa lol
Because Rob decided Taunt should only work when there is no Lost Soul in play and the people testing taunt agreed. ;)This card is one of the only times the playtesters actually were overly cautious about something :P I mean sure at the time it looked like taunt might cause crazy ccccccccccccccccombo breakers and what not. But with that clearly not being the case and with how the meta is going I think we should be open to changing it so that taunt functions as a standard battle challenge but evil.
If that was the case, then Every Man's Sword would prevent War Officer from entering battle when there's a lost soul in a site, but it doesn't. Those rulings you've received contradict the REG's definition of Battle Challenge, as well as past rulings such as EMS versus War Officer.
Every Man's Sword is a card that is fairly awkward due to the fact that there is really no consistent way to make it work the way have chosen without giving it its own special rules (at least if I remember correctly).You don't understand correctly. ;)
A rescue attempt is the effort to recover a Lost Soul from the Land of Bondage by battle. The battle is considered a rescue attempt if a Hero has access to a Lost Soul at any point in the battle.I would say Chariot of Fire would not activate. I'm not really sure what access means though. Does it just pertain to sites? Does it also effect protection? If it changes mid-battle, does that make a difference?