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Redemption® Collectible Trading Card Game HQ => Official Rules & Errata => Ruling Questions => Topic started by: kariusvega on May 29, 2015, 02:42:09 PM
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when site guard is in a site and an evil character is placed over it face down and the site guard is shuffled what happens to the evil character? can it still be added to battle later at another rescue attempt at that site? is it just stuck there? just wondering thanks!
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As far as I remember, yes, but I can't remember the exact text of the LS.
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When you place this card in a Site, you may put an Evil Character face down from hand, The Darkness or Tartaros on that Site. During a rescue attempt at that Site, you may add that Character to battle.
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As far as I remember, yes, but I can't remember the exact text of the LS.
hey thanks a lot for replying i was just wondering if you mean yes you can still block with the ec or if you mean yes they are stuck haha thanks again!!
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A placed card will remain in its location unless there is something to change that, so if you use a dominant to rescue the soul, it will remain and the add condition can still be true in a later phase (to my knowledge).
Real question though, is there anything stopping you from just...blocking with the face-down EC normally? I'm not sure that there is, and you can already do things like band to a placed PG Panic Demon.
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What happens If the ls is negated in later turn?
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What happens If the ls is negated in later turn?
Place abilities are instant abilities, so the 'place' does not get to be negated in a later phase.
However, the 'add to battle' component could be negated, that is true. In that case, you should still be able to block normally with the character (unless someone finds some rule that says you cannot), but not add the character to battle as the special ability allows.
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thanks a lot for answering this question!
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I see no reason why you can't block with the EC as normal, as it is in your territory, and nothing is forcing it to remain on the site. However, its best use in my experience is to add it to battle after your initial block, so that if your first EC fails, you can add in the new one, similar to Unknown Nation.
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Wooah, what? Place abilities don't hold the cards they place in their location anymore? Blocking from your land of bondage is normal?
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Wooah, what? Place abilities don't hold the cards they place in their location anymore? Blocking from your land of bondage is normal?
It is an EC still in your territory, and as I mentioned previously I can't see anything that would stop you from blocking with one (though I'm still interested in seeing what else there is on the subject).
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It was placed there with a further direction on how to get un-placed. Yes, it's in your territory, but it's also in your Land of Bondage. I can't see anything that would let you block with one. You've never been able to just block with a Pale Panic Demon (sounds odd, but it came up as a way to stop your Hero from being banded to without running WoP and risking Goliath auto-win before Shrine existed) or a SWS that was exchanged with a Panic Demon and they weren't even in LoB, and at least a few years ago you would not have been able to just block with a siteguarded EC.
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I agree that I had always understood everything you mentioned to be the case, but then I realized that I don't think there has ever been a rule that actually says you can't...which means that I can't think of any reason why you can't. It would certainly be an easy rule to formalize/institute with very little effect on the game, but then I'm not sure if it has any real benefits either. As long as it is clear that the EC is still an EC even if in your LoB, I don't think it really hurts anything to say that it can be used to block. If there are any more potentially game-breaking or confusion-causing issues that come about as a result, then perhaps it should be more closely scrutinized.
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As to the other part of the question, this seems inconsistent with how place and trigger works elsewhere. If Jehoram places an Enhancement on a Hero, then on a subsequent phase he is Negated, the placed Enhancement will still carry out the conditions it was given when the place happened. If the difference is that one is optional, it's the same needless, arbitrary distinction that is plaguing "X and Y" constructs.
I just went through all of the cards with a place ability, and the Site Guard is completely unique in the game for placing another card and providing an optional trigger for what to do with that placed card that remains negatable in phases after it was used to place. The placer Heroes from Priests are the closest we have to precedent, and the only difference is one is optional while one is not.
As to what effect allowing you to block from LoB would have, very little, although it would take away a downside to using Possessed in T2 in addition to taking away the risk of Site Guard (if the silly triggering coupling remains as well). But I go the other way on it; let's formalize/institute it the way everyone has always understood it to work upon first reading.
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It was placed there with a further direction on how to get un-placed. Yes, it's in your territory, but it's also in your Land of Bondage. I can't see anything that would let you block with one. You've never been able to just block with a Pale Panic Demon (sounds odd, but it came up as a way to stop your Hero from being banded to without running WoP and risking Goliath auto-win before Shrine existed) or a SWS that was exchanged with a Panic Demon and they weren't even in LoB, and at least a few years ago you would not have been able to just block with a siteguarded or Possessed'd EC.