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Redemption® Collectible Trading Card Game HQ => Official Rules & Errata => Ruling Questions => Topic started by: Rawrlolsauce! on March 19, 2012, 01:33:13 AM
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Opponent has NT Only soul in Pit of Dothan. I attack with Jacob banded to TSA. Holy of Holies is up. Is this a rescue attempt? I don't think so, but I want to make sure.
If the answer is no, take the following situation: I gather an NT blue hero to a OT Angel. There is an NT soul in a blue site. I attack with those two banded together. This is definitely a rescue attempt - but will my OT Angel get an experience credit if I do rescue the soul?
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Opponent has NT Only soul in Pit of Dothan. I attack with Jacob banded to TSA. Holy of Holies is up. Is this a rescue attempt? I don't think so, but I want to make sure.
If the answer is no, take the following situation: I gather an NT blue hero to a OT Angel. There is an NT soul in a blue site. I attack with those two banded together. This is definitely a rescue attempt - but will my OT Angel get an experience credit if I do rescue the soul?
Yes, it is a RA. TSA's ability is prevented by HoH, so he doesn't negate jacob's band. Jacob gives access to the blue site and tsa gives access to the NT soul.
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It is not an RA. Site Access does not transfer to other characters, which is why in your case, if it were a different LS, and Jake was discarded, then TSA wouldn't have access.
The OT Angel will get Experience Credit. E.C. goes to any Hero who was involved in a successful Rescue Attempt. Even though the Angel had no access, they were still involved in a Rescue Attempt, as his numbers/enhancements may have been essential to defeat any blocking ECs.
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"Each time a character successfully rescues a Lost Soul or successfully blocks, the character receives a 1/1 counter. In this way a character grows stronger with experience."
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My OT Angel didn't rescue the soul, did he? He was part of a RA, but an OT hero did not rescue the NT soul. Assuming I'm correct in thinking that, what if it was an NT Angel? Would he have rescued it then?
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Hmmm....with that wording, I guess I would have to say the Angel wouldn't get E.C. whether he was OT or NT. Interesting.
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Ahh, ok then. Thanks.
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Wait wait wait, so the same character has to have access to both the soul AND the site in order for it to be rescuable? So Claudia to a purple disciple does NOT give access to the female-only in Herod's Temple? Since when?
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This is definitely not at all how I have interpreted or would interpret site access. I was under the impression (although I can't find it anywhere) that any character in battle having access to a site gives the rescue attempt as a whole access to that site, and the same for lost souls. Where in the rules does it indicate otherwise?
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This is definitely not at all how I have interpreted or would interpret site access. I was under the impression (although I can't find it anywhere) that any character in battle having access to a site gives the rescue attempt as a whole access to that site, and the same for lost souls. Where in the rules does it indicate otherwise?
This is how I thought it was played also. In a real life scenario, a hero rescuing a lost soul is equivalent to someone bringing someone to Christ. Say myself and my pastor go visit a non-believer at their home. I talk to them for awhile and they seem interested in accepting Christ, but they have questions that I am not equipped to answer. So, like Jacob giving access to the blue site, I have opened the door to the non-believer accepting Christ. My pastor can then come in and answer the questions which I was unable to and he then leads the individual to Christ, much like TSA rescuing the NT soul. Maybe I am comparing the game to reality too much, but that is just how I envision it.
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I disagree with the ruling, but that is definitely how it should be played. I believe this was last ruled on a few months ago.
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This is extremely interesting, and not how we have played it here. So the rule is basically:
The hero that rescues the lost soul must also have access to the site that contains the lost soul.
Like I said, we never knew that. We thought that the adding of another hero to the battle (via banding in this case), functioned just like adding a site to the battle. But instead, the rule makes it sound like the hero that didn't have access stays outside the site, while the person they banded to enters the site, only to (sometimes) find that it contains a lost soul that only their friend outside has access to? This just doesn't make sense to me.
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One more question: What does it mean to be a "rescuing hero"? Does it mean you're the hero rescuing the soul, or does it mean you're a hero that is part of a rescue attempt? Example:
Syntyche gathered to Captain of the Host with Image of Jealousy placed on Captain, Jacob's Ladder chooses the NT soul. Opponent blocks with Panic Demon and plays Christian Suing Another - Can he force his hero to fight my Angel?
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"Rescuing Hero" is any Hero involved in a rescue attempt, not neccesarily just the ones that have access to a soul.