Author Topic: Saul/Paul not a priest?!?! (Read 4728 times)

Kyp Henderson · « **on:** August 25, 2009, 11:12:30 PM »

I was reading another topic and I saw someone say Saul?Paul is not a priest. Isn't Saul/Paul a priest? He used to be a sadducee. All that happened is that he got converted, it doesn't change his status.

Cameron the Conqueror · « **Reply #1 on:** August 25, 2009, 11:13:49 PM »

He is definitely not a priest. Paul is a prophet though. Maybe that is what you were thinking?

Kyp Henderson · « **Reply #2 on:** August 25, 2009, 11:14:54 PM »

I know he is a prophet but why isn't he a priest? Are Pharisses (sc) not considered priests?

browarod · « **Reply #3 on:** August 25, 2009, 11:22:50 PM »

Pharisees and Sadducees are not on the the list of Priests in the REG, so it seems they're not.

Kyp Henderson · « **Reply #4 on:** August 25, 2009, 11:25:37 PM »

That makes no sense?!?! Just because they were evil doesn't mean they weren't priests! They were the false priests of the bible. I think that needs to be changed, they still did all the offerings and were considered priests in their day.

browarod · « **Reply #5 on:** August 25, 2009, 11:31:15 PM »

Quote from: Kyp Henderson on August 25, 2009, 11:25:37 PM

That makes no sense?!?! Just because they were evil doesn't mean they weren't priests! They were the false priests of the bible. I think that needs to be changed, they still did all the offerings and were considered priests in their day.

There are evil priests in Redemption, too, just not the generic Pharisees and Sadducees. Have a look:

Quote from: REG

(Evil): Abihu, Amaziah, the Ungodly Priest, False Priests, High Priest Ananias, High Priest Annas, High Priest Caiaphas, Hophni, son of Eli, Nadab, Pagan Priest, Pashhur the Priest, Philistine Priests, Phinehas, son of Eli, Potiphera, Priest of On, Unfaithful Priests, and Urijah the High Priest

The high priest Pharisees and Sadducees are evil priests, but the generic ones are not.

Arch Angel · « **Reply #6 on:** August 26, 2009, 12:05:48 AM »

The Pharisees and Sadducees were two sects of ancient Judaism. Some served as priests, but the priesthood was determined by bloodline so they were not ALL priests.

It's like not all christians are Pastors.

BubbleBoy · « **Reply #7 on:** August 26, 2009, 08:37:54 AM »

Quote from: Arch Angel on August 26, 2009, 12:05:48 AM

It's like not all christians are Pastors.

Although the vast majority are.

happyjosiah · « **Reply #8 on:** August 26, 2009, 08:43:49 AM »

Quote from: BubbleBoy on August 26, 2009, 08:37:54 AM

Quote from: Arch Angel on August 26, 2009, 12:05:48 AM
It's like not all christians are Pastors.
Although the vast majority are.

What?

ejberkenpas22 · « **Reply #9 on:** August 26, 2009, 09:39:33 AM »

Quote from: BubbleBoy on August 26, 2009, 08:37:54 AM

Quote from: Arch Angel on August 26, 2009, 12:05:48 AM
It's like not all christians are Pastors.
Although the vast majority are.

Each church has one maybe two pastors (not counting youth pastors or anything like that). Each congregation is usually at least a two digit number and a lot are upwards of 50 somethimes 100 people. I was say a large minority of Christians are pastors. And that makes it sound like its a bad thing, its not.

The Schaef · « **Reply #10 on:** August 26, 2009, 09:49:41 AM »

For the most part, Priests in Redemption include Melchizedek and the Aaronic line of Levitical priests. Needless to say, that doesn't apply from the time of Christ onward, but the point is that not all Pharisees/Sadducees were of the Aaronic priesthood.

Hedgehogman · « **Reply #11 on:** August 26, 2009, 09:51:31 AM »

Paul was a Pharisee, not a Sadducee.

The Schaef · « **Reply #12 on:** August 26, 2009, 10:09:47 AM »

Fixed

BubbleBoy · « **Reply #13 on:** August 26, 2009, 10:14:53 AM »

Quote from: ejberkenpas22 on August 26, 2009, 09:39:33 AM

Quote from: BubbleBoy on August 26, 2009, 08:37:54 AM
Quote from: Arch Angel on August 26, 2009, 12:05:48 AM
It's like not all christians are Pastors.
Although the vast majority are.
Each church has one maybe two pastors (not counting youth pastors or anything like that). Each congregation is usually at least a two digit number and a lot are upwards of 50 somethimes 100 people. I was say a large minority of Christians are pastors. And that makes it sound like its a bad thing, its not.

Don't I have a right to say something riddiculus every once in a while?! Sheesh...

Kyp Henderson · « **Reply #14 on:** August 26, 2009, 12:33:45 PM »

Quote from: The Schaef on August 26, 2009, 09:49:41 AM

For the most part, Priests in Redemption include Melchizedek and the Aaronic line of Levitical priests. Needless to say, that doesn't apply from the time of Christ onward, but the point is that not all Pharisees/Sadducees were of the Aaronic priesthood.

That doesn't mean they weren't priests, I understand how they temple guards and Alexander are not priests but They still were considered priests in their day. Just because they weren't from the line of Aaron doesn't mean they were not priests. The Philistine Priests did not descend from the line of Aaron and they are still considered priests. They were just priests of a different religion. The Pharisees and Sadducces had their own concept of God, so they kinda have a different religion. So they are priests in their own way.
P.S. So Saul Paul is a priest because wasn't he a high priest?

NWJosh · « **Reply #15 on:** August 26, 2009, 12:40:24 PM »

Paul/Saul was not a high priest, in fact he was not even a priest. Pharisees were the religious teachers of the day but that does not make them priests, although a few were. It would be like Sunday School teachers. Pastors can teach sunday school, but that does not mean all sunday school teachers are pastors. Paul/Saul was of the line of Benjamin I believe so that automatically rules out his lineage and I think he himself says he was not a priest some where in his letters but please don't quote me on that as I am sick right now and not completely sure that part of my memory is correct.

Kyp Henderson · « **Reply #16 on:** August 26, 2009, 12:44:22 PM »

So he is classified as a teacher of the Law?

Cameron the Conqueror · « **Reply #17 on:** August 26, 2009, 12:45:01 PM »

I would say yes, but there isn't a "teacher" classification in Redemption.

Kyp Henderson · « **Reply #18 on:** August 26, 2009, 12:47:42 PM »

Well that should be a class in the next set

Arch Angel · « **Reply #19 on:** August 26, 2009, 01:16:14 PM »

I think "teacher" would be too broad of an identifier (even worse than "musician"

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Lamborghini_diablo · « **Reply #20 on:** August 26, 2009, 04:11:49 PM »

There would have to be a Math Teacher card, with the identifier [Your].

browarod · « **Reply #21 on:** August 26, 2009, 04:16:44 PM »

Quote from: Lamborghini_diablo on August 26, 2009, 04:11:49 PM

There would have to be a Math Teacher card, with the identifier [Your].

First Day of School
Evil Enhancement * Brigade: Multi * Special Ability: Search deck, discard pile, and cards removed from play for all Teacher cards and band them into battle. Cannot be negated unless proof is supplied that opponent is 24 or older.

Lamborghini_diablo · « **Reply #22 on:** August 26, 2009, 04:20:40 PM »

Quote from: browarod on August 26, 2009, 04:16:44 PM

Quote from: Lamborghini_diablo on August 26, 2009, 04:11:49 PM
There would have to be a Math Teacher card, with the identifier [Your].
First Day of School
Evil Enhancement * Brigade: Multi * Special Ability: Search deck, discard pile, and cards removed from play for all Teacher cards and band them into battle. Cannot be negated unless proof is supplied that opponent is 24 or older.

Nononono, it'd have to be:

First Day of School
Evil Enhancement * Brigade: Multi * Special Ability: Search deck, discard pile, and cards removed from play for all Teacher cards and band them into battle. Cannot be negated unless holder turns in scratchpaper at the end of class showing all math they have done in the game. If all math has been done in holders head or on a calculator, this enhancement gets a grade of 0.

Smokey · « **Reply #23 on:** August 26, 2009, 04:21:50 PM »

Quote from: Lamborghini_diablo on August 26, 2009, 04:20:40 PM

Quote from: browarod on August 26, 2009, 04:16:44 PM
Quote from: Lamborghini_diablo on August 26, 2009, 04:11:49 PM
There would have to be a Math Teacher card, with the identifier [Your].
First Day of School
Evil Enhancement * Brigade: Multi * Special Ability: Search deck, discard pile, and cards removed from play for all Teacher cards and band them into battle. Cannot be negated unless proof is supplied that opponent is 24 or older.

Nononono, it'd have to be:

First Day of School
Evil Enhancement * Brigade: Multi * Special Ability: Search deck, discard pile, and cards removed from play for all Teacher cards and band them into battle. Cannot be negated unless holder turns in scratchpaper at the end of class showing all math they have done in the game. If all math has been done in holders head or on a calculator, this enhancement gets a grade of F.

Fixed +

Quote from: Lamborghini_diablo on August 26, 2009, 04:11:49 PM

There would have to be a Math Teacher card, with the identifier [Your].

Wins the Thread.

browarod · « **Reply #24 on:** August 26, 2009, 04:28:22 PM »

Quote from: Lamborghini_diablo on August 26, 2009, 04:20:40 PM

Quote from: browarod on August 26, 2009, 04:16:44 PM
Quote from: Lamborghini_diablo on August 26, 2009, 04:11:49 PM
There would have to be a Math Teacher card, with the identifier [Your].
First Day of School
Evil Enhancement * Brigade: Multi * Special Ability: Search deck, discard pile, and cards removed from play for all Teacher cards and band them into battle. Cannot be negated unless proof is supplied that opponent is 24 or older.

Nononono, it'd have to be:

First Day of School
Evil Enhancement * Brigade: Multi * Special Ability: Search deck, discard pile, and cards removed from play for all Teacher cards and band them into battle. Cannot be negated unless holder turns in scratchpaper at the end of class showing all math they have done in the game. If all math has been done in holders head or on a calculator, this enhancement gets a grade of F.

Math Teacher
Evil Character * Brigade: Multi * Special Ability: Evil special abilities cannot be negated. This ability takes effect when this card enters play. When you block with this character, you can search deck, discard pile, and cards removed from play for First Day of School and play it. * Identifiers: Your, Very Evil, Teacher

TimMierz · « **Reply #25 on:** August 26, 2009, 04:42:18 PM »

I would suggest removing "teacher" as an identifier since it's part of the title, but then we'd have a discussion whether it's just a metaphorical teacher and whether we can use a special "by design" situation to still call it a teacher.

drb1200 · « **Reply #26 on:** August 26, 2009, 05:02:31 PM »

Quote from: Kyp Henderson on August 25, 2009, 11:25:37 PM

That makes no sense?!?! Just because they were evil doesn't mean they weren't priests! They were the false priests of the bible. I think that needs to be changed, they still did all the offerings and were considered priests in their day.

Whoa, since when are the Pharisees evil?

Cameron the Conqueror · « **Reply #27 on:** August 26, 2009, 05:04:02 PM »

Quote from: drb1200 on August 26, 2009, 05:02:31 PM

Quote from: Kyp Henderson on August 25, 2009, 11:25:37 PM
That makes no sense?!?! Just because they were evil doesn't mean they weren't priests! They were the false priests of the bible. I think that needs to be changed, they still did all the offerings and were considered priests in their day.
Whoa, since when are the Pharisees evil?

since the Apostles booster pack, when they were printed?

drb1200 · « **Reply #28 on:** August 26, 2009, 05:06:07 PM »

I really hate how Redemption depicts all the Pharisees as evil. That isn't right.

The Schaef · « **Reply #29 on:** August 26, 2009, 05:09:44 PM »

not-evil Pharisees in Redemption:
Gamaliel
Nicodemus
converted Paul

Joseph of Arimathea could very well have been a member of the Sanhedrin, but because we have no specific documentation saying he is either a Pharisee or a Sadducee, he gets no label.

Cameron the Conqueror · « **Reply #30 on:** August 26, 2009, 05:11:30 PM »

They did deny Christ and therefore God..... I understand what you mean though; not every Pharisee was evil.

The card Greek Scholars doesn't mean that every single Greek that was a scholar was evil. A card can represent a viewpoint, and the Pharisee viewpoint that Christ =/= God is fair to make them an evil character IMO.

The Schaef · « **Reply #31 on:** August 26, 2009, 05:14:44 PM »

Also, just as gray is the murky middle between black and white, the NT gray characters thematically are people that were "neither hot nor cold". God said of lukewarm people that he would "spew them out of his mouth". No side to Him seems to be as bad as - if not worse than - defying Him.

golgotha · « **Reply #32 on:** August 26, 2009, 06:04:16 PM »

So this thread kinda got me thinking a bit. My understanding of things may be a little off, and I may be oversimplifying things. I know we have a few NT Priests, Priests in Christ and Zachariah come to mind, but is there any "Post Ressurection Priests" and do we really need them?

Cameron the Conqueror · « **Reply #33 on:** August 26, 2009, 06:11:07 PM »

Quote from: golgotha on August 26, 2009, 06:04:16 PM

So this thread kinda got me thinking a bit. My understanding of things may be a little off, and I may be oversimplifying things. I know we have a few NT Priests, Priests in Christ and Zachariah come to mind, but is there any "Post Ressurection Priests" and do we really need them?

Yes, teal needs all the lost soul access it can get. It hard enough getting the Female Only ls.......

Lamborghini_diablo · « **Reply #34 on:** August 26, 2009, 06:15:10 PM »

No, they dont need special access to those two souls. They are powerful, so that is a drawback you have to consider.

Cameron the Conqueror · « **Reply #35 on:** August 26, 2009, 06:20:08 PM »

Quote from: Lamborghini_diablo on August 26, 2009, 06:15:10 PM

No, they dont need special access to those two souls. They are powerful, so that is a drawback you have to consider.

I was more joking.... Forgot to add the smiley

Gabe · « **Reply #36 on:** August 26, 2009, 07:14:05 PM »

While we're talking about exceptions to being a Levitical priest, please don't forget about good ol' Saint Patrick. I don't want to see him become green with envy.

Kyp Henderson · « **Reply #37 on:** August 26, 2009, 09:32:59 PM »

ok Thanks for clearing this up. It just seemed to me like he would be a priest because he was a Pharisee but now I know they are not. But hopefully the evil High priests are considered evil priests.

browarod · « **Reply #38 on:** August 26, 2009, 11:38:21 PM »

Quote from: Kyp Henderson on August 26, 2009, 09:32:59 PM

But hopefully the evil High priests are considered evil priests.

Quote from: browarod on August 25, 2009, 11:31:15 PM

Quote from: REG
(Evil): Abihu, Amaziah, the Ungodly Priest, False Priests, High Priest Ananias, High Priest Annas, High Priest Caiaphas, Hophni, son of Eli, Nadab, Pagan Priest, Pashhur the Priest, Philistine Priests, Phinehas, son of Eli, Potiphera, Priest of On, Unfaithful Priests, and Urijah the High Priest

Kyp Henderson · « **Reply #39 on:** August 26, 2009, 11:56:32 PM »

lol I was joking.

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