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Redemption® Collectible Trading Card Game HQ => Official Rules & Errata => Ruling Questions => Topic started by: LordZardeck on January 17, 2012, 10:32:15 AM
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Is Seraph and Seraphim the same card? Can I have both in my deck and both in battle/play?
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Much like you can have David and King David in your deck as separate entities, Seraph and Seraphim are different characters for deck-building. As they are generic, you can control copies of both.
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so you can have king david and david in your deck, just not in play at the same time? but seraph and seraphim can be both in your deck and in play at the same time?
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so you can have king david and david in your deck, just not in play at the same time? but seraph and seraphim can be both in your deck and in play at the same time?
To my knowledge, yes.
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so you can have king david and david in your deck, just not in play at the same time? but seraph and seraphim can be both in your deck and in play at the same time?
1. Yes
2. I think so
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Is Seraph and Seraphim the same card? Can I have both in my deck and both in battle/play?
I asked Professoralstad and I think that you can have both.
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Or you could just look in the rulebook:
Rulebook, Deck Building Rules, Type I Deck Building Rules:
"Unique characters with special abilities that have the same name and brigade are limited to a maximum of 1 each per 50 cards in a deck. For example, you can have one David (green brigade) and one David (red brigade) but not two David cards in the green brigade (even if their special abilities vary) in a deck that is smaller than 100 cards."
Generic characters with different art and/or name (like Seraph/Seraphim) are 1 per 50 in deck per variant.
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Fun fact: Seraph and Seraph with a Live Coal are not listed under generic characters, while both versions of Seraphim (from Warriors) are. I'm not entirely sure if that's the way it should be, but I think the most-up-to-date ruling is this:
In a 50 card T1 deck, you can have:
1 of Seraph and Seraphim (band to green)
1 of Seraph with a Live Coal and Seraphim (band to blue)
Since the Seraphim cards are both generic, then you can have any number of them in play at the same time, along with 1 Seraph and 1 SwaLC. I know SwaLC was made unique purposefully, but I'm not sure about Seraph, that may have been an oversight.
It's probably a good idea to have a discussion on why the two non-Warrior versions were made unique, if that is necessary, and nail down whether they are the same card as the warrior ones. I feel like we had a discussion on this awhile ago, but I don't think we ever came to a consensus.