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Redemption® Collectible Trading Card Game HQ => Official Rules & Errata => Ruling Questions => Topic started by: Isildur on September 07, 2008, 11:10:18 PM
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Is Saul considered Roman since he was a Roman Citizen? And is Paul still a Phari?
Also can good Sads and Pharis be set aside and discarded by "Just a Hireling and Donctrine Like Leaven"?
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The REG lists Paul as both a Roman and a Pharisee.
I have no idea on the second, as I always forget what the rules are for setting aside evil and good. I'd like it to work, however...
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If it says "Sadducee" or "Pharisee" without making the distinction, then yes, you can discard (or set aside) a Hero of that type.
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But can you do that will a evil card? Thats pretty much my question
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Man... Just a Hireling became one of Herolesses worst enemies. XD
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But can you do that will a evil card? Thats pretty much my question
Yes, except keep in mind that set-aside cards only set aside your cards of the same alignment and your opponent's cards of the opposite alignment. In other words, Doctrine can set aside your evil Sads or his good Sads.
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Ah, there you go, I knew there was a funky rule.
Man... Just a Hireling became one of Herolesses worst enemies. XD
Oh, more than you know... ;) :D
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So.... you can use Doctrine like Leaven to set aside Paul? Who decides when he comes back?
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Hey,
So.... you can use Doctrine like Leaven to set aside Paul? Who decides when he comes back?
I would rule that "Set-aside enhancements that benefit the cards set aside or the player that sets them aside must target characters permanently controlled by the player that played the enhancement, unless specified otherwise," and thus you could not set aside an opponent's Paul (or any other Pharisee or Sadduccee of an opponent) with Doctrine like Leaven.
I realize that that goes against what the current REG says when it says, "By default, your good set-aside cards target only your own Heroes, but can target Evil Characters of any player. Likewise, your evil
set-aside cards can target only your own Evil Characters, but can target Heroes of any player." But the REG also says, "Set-aside cards remain on the character in the set-aside area until the character is returned to the field of play," but I'm not going to let you put the Set-aside lost soul in the set-aside area with the heroes it sets aside either. [Long and short of it, the Set-aside entry in the REG is horribly outdated (and the powers that be know that) and until it gets updated I believe it is privy to rule based on what is reasonable rather than what the outdated document would suggest.]
Tschow,
Tim "Sir Nobody" Maly, WildCard Secretary of Defense
www.freewebs.com/redemptionne
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I understand your idea, but wouldn't that also kill off Two Possessed by Demons?
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Hey,
I understand your idea, but wouldn't that also kill off Two Possessed by Demons?
Two Possessed by Demons gives no benefit to the characters set aside or the player that sets them aside, so it would not be affected by my previous post.
Tschow,
Tim "Sir Nobody" Maly, WildCard Secretary of Defense
www.freewebs.com/redemptionne
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Man... Just a Hireling became one of Herolesses worst enemies. XD
issue, it passes init.
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Two Possessed by Demons gives no benefit to the characters set aside or the player that sets them aside, so it would not be affected by my previous post.
Wouldn't an opponent losing two heroes be a benefit to me? Does the benefit have to be more immediate?
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I'm kind of confused how an old rule that addresses set-aside Enhancements means that a more recent rule - designed to allow the use of cards like Two Possessed or Moses Kills Egyptian properly while disallowing Feast abuse - is not valid? Talk about throwing the baby out with the bathwater.
The answer to this "horribly outdated" entry is to change the word "card" to "Enhancement" in the rule you cited as evidence, not to invent contradictory rulings from whole cloth.
Besides, if I have no Sads in discard pile, could I not argue that I am not deriving a benefit from setting your Paul aside, at least as you intend that to mean (since I agree with sk's logic)?
Also-besides, don't players control the return of their own characters when set-aside for a non-specific duration, regardless of who played the card? And therefore, couldn't you simply bring back your Paul on your next prep phase?
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But can you do that will a evil card? Thats pretty much my question
Yes, except keep in mind that set-aside cards only set aside your cards of the same alignment and your opponent's cards of the opposite alignment. In other words, Doctrine can set aside your evil Sads or his good Sads.
The REG disagrees with your statement, Schaef
By default, your good set-aside cards target only your own Heroes, but can target Evil Characters of any player. Likewise, your evil set-aside cards can target only your own Evil Characters, but can target Heroes of any player.
doesn't "any player" also include myself?
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Yes, it does. I was mostly referring to the fact that you can't target our opponent's evil Sads with this card. The REG entry is an expansion of what I was saying.
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SO Scheaf your ruling is that I cant use DLL on my Good Sads?
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I did not say that. By confirming the REG entry, I think you will see that I would say you can.
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I did not say that. By confirming the REG entry, I think you will see that I would say you can.
ah sorry I misread it