Author Topic: Is "The Pit" in play or set aside?  (Read 5632 times)

The Schaef

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Re: Is "The Pit" in play or set aside?
« Reply #25 on: April 30, 2009, 06:07:03 AM »
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It would only fit my desire for consistency if we left The Pit and Tartaros alone, or if we eratta'd both of them due to them having similar wording.

Wording is not reason to errata a card.  See also: Split Altar

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If Tartaros is so capable of breaking the game that it needs to be set aside, then can't we at least have The Pit also be set aside for consistency sake?

Holy Grail was errata'd to only convert in territory because it could break the game as written.  Do you want us to errata every single conversion card to only work in territory for consistency's sake, due to the similar wording?

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Almost no one uses either one of these cards, and having them both set aside wouldn't seem to cause any problems.  But it would seem less arbitrary :)

If there's a reason that would be considered arbitrary, my vote would go to "because it doesn't get played very much".

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Re: Is "The Pit" in play or set aside?
« Reply #26 on: April 30, 2009, 07:01:29 AM »
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Tartaros was written first, back when no fortress set itself aside, and we had a fuzzy understanding of how fortresses worked...The Pit was written at the same time as Chamber of Angels, which sets itself aside.  If The Pit was supposed to set itself aside, it would have been written that way.
This history is actually a good logical reason why it makes sense to make an exception for Tartaros, but not the Pit.  And if everyone wants to keep things the way they are, then I understand the reasoning.

But do you also see my point though that a new player would not know that history.  They would see two cards that are both evil fortresses and containing similar wording in their SA.  Imagine they were told that "return to territory" on one card meant that ECs went from set aside to territory, but on the other card "return to territory" meant ECs went from not lining  up with other ECs to lining up with other ECs.  Do you not see that this would be confusing to them?  Is there any harm in making these two cards line up better so that people won't be confused?

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Re: Is "The Pit" in play or set aside?
« Reply #27 on: April 30, 2009, 08:20:56 AM »
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I found this in the May_2007 PDF REG, top of page 224 - Tartaros:

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Tartaros is placed in your set aside area.
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Re: Is "The Pit" in play or set aside?
« Reply #28 on: April 30, 2009, 12:06:19 PM »
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It doesn't seem all that confusing to me, since most people understand the difference between having a card in their Fortress and not in their Fortress.

 


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